Whistleblower

[KeithD]

Anything from a whistleblower is just icing on the cake. Both Trump and Giuliani have admitted guilt in public.

And as far as investigating Hunter Biden to bring Joe Biden down, let's have a parallel investigation of the Trump kids--Don Jr., Erick, and Ivanka--shall we, which is more relevant to the here and now. That would be fun, wouldn't it?

 

[beezzz]

Rick Perry said it was "true" that he pressed Trump to make the phone call that prompted an impeachment inquiry. "Absolutely, I asked the president multiple times"

 

[Aglaopheme]

Sen Portman just rebuked Trump for asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent.

 

[Wrong Element]

Sen Portman just rebuked Trump for asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent.

This is important, because:

1. Portman is co-chair of the congressional Ukraine caucus, so he has more influence than the average senator; and

2. He's been pretty much a spineless twerp on all other matters regarding Trump.

 

[Aglaopheme]

This is important, because:

1. Portman is co-chair of the congressional Ukraine caucus, so he has more influence than the average senator; and

2. He's been pretty much a spineless twerp on all other matters regarding Trump.

Agreed.


https://www.dispatch.com/news/20191...n-trump-wrong-to-seek-help-from-ukraine-china

The Ohio Republican also disputed Trump’s characterization of an ousted Ukrainian as an aggressive battler of corruption, whom the president asserts was fired because he was digging into Biden and his son Hunter’s business dealings. Portman was part of a bipartisan group of senators who wrote a letter to the Ukraine president in 2016 seeking reforms in the prosecutor’s office; today, Portman said the senators believed the prosecutor wasn’t doing nearly enough to root out corruption — not because he was doing too much.

And although Portman confirmed that Trump cited a lack of help from European nations as a reason for holding up aid authorized by Congress for Ukraine, the senator said he never heard that assertion until he spoke to the president personally Sept. 11. Earlier conversations with Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of Defense Mark T. Esper and other Trump administration officials turned up no reason for the hold-up, Portman said.

The president should not have raised the Biden issue on that call, period. It’s not appropriate for a president to engage a foreign government in an investigation of a political opponent,

 

[Aglaopheme]

In case you were wondering:

Anyone trying to track the Ukrainian conspiracy stories that were eventually embraced by President Trump is likely to get mired in the same echo chamber of right-wing news purveyors that misinformed voters in 2016. A pivotal source of the allegations against the Bidens, for instance, is the Government Accountability Institute, a Florida-based opposition-research operation that was founded by the former Trump political adviser Stephen Bannon—the same conservative nonprofit that ginned up questionable stories about the Clintons during the last Presidential campaign. In both instances, much of the coverage of the scandal was kicked off by Peter Schweizer, a longtime conservative political writer who is an editor-at-large at Breitbart News and the president of the Government Accountability Institute. Since its founding, in 2012, the group has largely been funded with millions of dollars in tax-exempt donations from the family foundation of the New York hedge-fund magnate Robert Mercer, who was a major donor to Trump’s 2016 campaign. In the organization’s most recently available I.R.S. tax filings, for 2017, Mercer’s daughter Rebekah is listed as the board chairman.

Asked about the Government Accountability Institute’s role in this year’s Biden scandal coverage, Bannon e-mailed to say, “It’s key. It was the predicate,” as it had been for much of the previous Clinton scandal coverage. As Joshua Green describes in “Devil’s Bargain,” his book, from 2017, about Bannon’s role in the Trump campaign, Bannon designed the organization as a means of transmitting partisan dirt-digging to the mainstream media. He realized that, though mainstream reporters were suspicious of partisan opinion, they were open to damning facts about public figures, regardless of the sourcing. He set out, with Schweizer, to produce material that would generate mainstream coverage, and right-wing outrage.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-invention-of-the-conspiracy-theory-on-biden-and-ukraine

 

[beezzz]

New Yorker?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I've been watching the polls concerning the public's call for impeaching Trump and there has been a noticeable uptick in said polls. The question is, are the polls reflecting what is actually happening out in the hustings?

More and more posters of a conservative bent here on Lit. are also calling for (demanding) that the impeachment process proceed. Not because they want to see Trump convicted in the Senate, but because they're convinced that if the dems move forward it will be the nail in their political coffin in 2020. Obviously the hard core dems believe just the opposite.

Who is right on whose coffin is going to get nailed is up in the air. We're speaking of beliefs and political maneuvering here. But I can't help but correlate what I see happening here on the board to the broader polls that the press is running. And in that regard I'm suggesting that the polls are NOT reflecting what many democrats seem to think they are.

The impeachment inquiry is not about a political calculus. It is about the necessity of curbing the abuse and the violation of the public trust with respect to using taxpayer dollars meant to bolster the Ukraine against Russia as leverage to get opposition research for the 2020 election.

Not having an impeachment investigation is more risky to the health of the republic than perceived political coffin nails for democrats.

Country above party. Trump voters will never understand.

 

[Conager]

The impeachment inquiry is not about a political calculus. It is about the necessity of curbing the abuse and the violation of the public trust with respect to using taxpayer dollars meant to bolster the Ukraine against Russia as leverage to get opposition research for the 2020 election.

Not having an impeachment investigation is more risky to the health of the republic than perceived political coffin nails for democrats.

Country above party. Trump voters will never understand.

What a load of sanctimonious bullshit. The only reason the Dems are doing it is because they think that it will tarnish Trump ahead of the 2020 elections, and possibly tar Republicans with Trump's less popular traits.

Nothing about a kangaroo court that has already decided on impeachment if they can push-pull the numbers high enough is going to curb the "abuse and violation of the public trust." He won't be removed and you know it. He won't be cowed and has already doubled down.

The phone call was literally the soonest available manufactured poutrage immediately after Mueller embarrassed all of you. Anything would do. Anything.

All of you sounded exactly as certain and just as poutraged before Mueller told you there was no there, there to be poutraged about. Some of you still try to frame that embarrassing debacle as some scandal for anyone but the Dems.

 

[schism666]

What a load of sanctimonious bullshit. The only reason the Dems are doing it is because they think that it will tarnish Trump ahead of the 2020 elections, and possibly tar Republicans with Trump's less popular traits.

Nothing about a kangaroo court that has already decided on impeachment if they can push-pull the numbers high enough is going to curb the "abuse and violation of the public trust." He won't be removed and you know it. He won't be cowed and has already doubled down.

The phone call was literally the soonest available manufactured poutrage immediately after Mueller embarrassed all of you. Anything would do. Anything.

All of you sounded exactly as certain and just as poutraged before Mueller told you there was no there, there to be poutraged about. Some of you still try to frame that embarrassing debacle as some scandal for anyone but the Dems.

q obviously hasn't seen trump admitting to his crimes against america. many anti americans feel the same way q does

 

[von_Bismarck]

q obviously hasn't seen trump admitting to his crimes against america. many anti americans feel the same way q does

I don't know why anyone would bother with Que-nager except to point and laugh.

 

[Dribble]

q obviously hasn't seen trump admitting to his crimes against america. many anti americans feel the same way q does

Que, like all Trump supporters are traitors. Who supports letting Iran, Russia and Syria murder our allies that were instrumental in controlling ISIS? Only Trump supporters. Seriously...they are so fucking pathetic.

 

[trysail]

The Bidens: "Stone Cold Crooked" (2)

by Francis Menton ("Manhattan Contrarian")
B.A., Yale College
J.D., Harvard University
Retired Partner, Wilkie, Farr & Gallagher LLP

"...Assume that the entire State Department and the entire European Union were united in the view that Shokin was corrupt and needed to be removed.

In that case, there’s a right way to do this. First, Joe Biden needs to tell Hunter that he must resign from the Burisma board today if not sooner; and Hunter must in fact resign. Second, Joe Biden needs to get the next highest ranking available official of the U.S. government (in this case, perhaps Secretary of State John Kerry; but if Kerry was conflicted by his own step-son’s involvement with Burisma, then somebody else — maybe Secretary of Defense) to do the dirty work of telling the Ukrainians that they’re not getting their aid until Shokin is fired.

If Joe Biden had followed this protocol, he would mostly have obviated any allegation of corruption, at least relating to the Shokin firing. (There could still be a question of what else Hunter was getting the $600K/yr for.) But Biden didn’t do this. As a result, Hunter got about $2 million more than he would have gotten if Joe had followed these obvious steps.

Once you realize that there was a simple set of steps for Joe Biden to follow to accomplish the same goal of getting Shokin fired and also avoid accusations of corruption, but he chose not to do so and thereby got his son an extra couple of million bucks, then you understand that the Washington Post is just blowing smoke. Their question “Does truth still matter?” needs to be turned right back around on them..."
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[Conager]

q obviously hasn't seen trump admitting to his crimes against america. many anti americans feel the same way q does

As I said, he doubled down. How is that me, not seeing what he said, publically? That's you and others contorting it into the poutrage du jour.

To repeat:

What "crime" is that?

Pelosi could recall the House by tommorow, assemble a vote to begin impeachment proceedings on Wednesday, introduce the no-doubt, already drafted, waiting for actual polls to show impeachment support articles of impeachment, and vote to impeach him by Friday.

They won't

 

[beezzz]

The Bidens: "Stone Cold Crooked" (2)

by Francis Menton ("Manhattan Contrarian")
B.A., Yale College
J.D., Harvard University
Retired Partner, Wilkie, Farr & Gallagher LLP

"...Assume that the entire State Department and the entire European Union were united in the view that Shokin was corrupt and needed to be removed.

In that case, there’s a right way to do this. First, Joe Biden needs to tell Hunter that he must resign from the Burisma board today if not sooner; and Hunter must in fact resign. Second, Joe Biden needs to get the next highest ranking available official of the U.S. government (in this case, perhaps Secretary of State John Kerry; but if Kerry was conflicted by his own step-son’s involvement with Burisma, then somebody else — maybe Secretary of Defense) to do the dirty work of telling the Ukrainians that they’re not getting their aid until Shokin is fired.

If Joe Biden had followed this protocol, he would mostly have obviated any allegation of corruption, at least relating to the Shokin firing. (There could still be a question of what else Hunter was getting the $600K/yr for.) But Biden didn’t do this. As a result, Hunter got about $2 million more than he would have gotten if Joe had followed these obvious steps.

Once you realize that there was a simple set of steps for Joe Biden to follow to accomplish the same goal of getting Shokin fired and also avoid accusations of corruption, but he chose not to do so and thereby got his son an extra couple of million bucks, then you understand that the Washington Post is just blowing smoke. Their question “Does truth still matter?” needs to be turned right back around on them..."
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[beezzz]

for those of you that missed this

Audio, Email Evidence Shows DNC Colluded With Ukraine To Boost Hillary By Harming Trump, Report Says


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuvfYE7ZdL0

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombs...mp-report-says


Quote:
The Blaze then reported that Sytnyk, who eventually “was tried and convicted in Ukraine for interfering in the U.S. presidential election in 2016,” released a “black ledger” on Manafort during the 2016 presidential election that eventually led to Manafort’s downfall.

“So here he is. He is admitting to tampering with our elections. Admitted working with the Hillary Clinton campaign,” Glenn Beck said during a 2-hour special presentation by The Blaze on Ukraine’s interference in the U.S. election. “He is actually convicted in the highest court in the land in Ukraine. This is all front page news in Ukraine, while we are saying, ‘Was there anyone tampering with the election?'”

now go ahead and say....THE SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and ignore the evidence

and wait for WB #739

 

[schism666]

As I said, he doubled down. How is that me, not seeing what he said, publically? That's you and others contorting it into the poutrage du jour.

To repeat:



Pelosi could recall the House by tommorow, assemble a vote to begin impeachment proceedings on Wednesday, introduce the no-doubt, already drafted, waiting for actual polls to show impeachment support articles of impeachment, and vote to impeach him by Friday.

They won't

are you of the belief that trump has not admittedly errantly publicly to crimes?

 

[HisArpy]

are you of the belief that trump has not admittedly errantly publicly to crimes?

I am of the belief that if Trump were to go on camera and admit that his name is Donal J. Trump, YOU and the rest of your elk would believe that doing so constitutes a crime for which he should be impeached.

That is how insane you are acting.

 

[beezzz]

are you of the belief that trump has not admittedly errantly publicly to crimes?

name ONE

 

[schism666]

I am of the belief that if Trump were to go on camera and admit that his name is Donal J. Trump, YOU and the rest of your elk would believe that doing so constitutes a crime for which he should be impeached.

That is how insane you are acting.

that's because you're a trump sycophant and not very well versed about this situation.

 

[pointless]

the rest of your elk? what?

 

[coati]

I am of the belief that if Trump were to go on camera and admit that his name is Donal J. Trump, YOU and the rest of your elk would believe that doing so constitutes a crime for which he should be impeached.

That is how insane you are acting.

Hmm, you sound a bit mad.

Actually, most of the "elk" are enjoying this impeachment inquiry process, and no, it really involves more than Trump misspelling his first name.

 

[beezzz]

are you of the belief that trump has not admittedly errantly publicly to crimes?

name ONE


he wont

will he

 

[beezzz]

Hmm, you sound a bit mad.

Actually, most of the "elk" are enjoying this impeachment inquiry process, and no, it really involves more than Trump misspelling his first name.

you are your elk are insane


not that there is anythig wrong with tha

if you and your elk, werent

DUMZ wouldnt ever get any votes

 

[Conager]

are you of the belief that trump has not admittedly errantly publicly to crimes?

Is there a reason you are avoiding the simple question, with a question?

To repeat:

What "crime(s)" is that (are those)?

Same question I asked for a couple of years after Comey committed crimes to get a special counsel (for which there was no longer any remaining statutory authority.)

What "crimes" was Trump obstructing investigation of?

If someone had encouraged, assisted, requested or cajoled the Rooskies into injecting their long-standing program of sowing general dissent in America into some sort of (completely ineffectual) effort into assisting Trump, (assuming for the sake of discussion that their pro-Hillary, pro BLM propaganda wasn't offsetting, and equally ineffective at swaying anyone). . .what would be the crime?

Just to be absolutely clear, I am asking:

What "crime(s)" is that (are those)?

Since you are using the plural, you can surely cite two or three statutes that Trump is in violation of.