Whistleblower

[bellisarius]

The democrats learned from their mentor.

Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime. - Lavrentiy Beria

 

[BotanyBoy]

There is no trial underway. That happens in the Senate.

Where (D)emocrat hopes and dreams will be DOA.

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[Wrong Element]

The democrats learned from their mentor.

Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime. - Lavrentiy Beria

When you're a star, they let you do it — Donald Trump

 

[zipman]

If you say that someone told you something happened, and that someone had actually told you that something happened, you have not told a lie. Get it?

LOL, HisArpy makes partisan arguments, not legal ones.

It's especially amusing considering the orange moron and his insane lawyer have publicly admitted to the things that are in the whistleblower complaint.

Poor little trumpsters are having such a bad week.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The democrats learned from their mentor.

Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime. - Lavrentiy Beria

When you're a star, they let you do it — Donald Trump

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though
because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it
... The other thing, There's a lot of. talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.

The President: Well, she' s going to go through some
things. I will. have Mr. Giuliani.give you a call and I am. also
going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the
bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the
prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair
prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going
to get better and better I predict.

 

[Aglaopheme]

I’m sure there is a list around here somewhere that includes attacking the source and not addressing the actual issue.

Anyhoo about that source can harpy point to anything that says a whistleblower report needs to be based on first hand witness’ accounts other than talking points? No.

Description: A whistleblower is a person who comes forward and shares his/her knowledge on any wrongdoing which he/she thinks is happening in the whole organisation or in a specific department. A whistleblower could be an employee, contractor, or a supplier who becomes aware of any illegal activities.

Usually, to qualify for protection, whistleblowers must simply have a good-faith belief that their employer is violating the law. In those cases, even if a claim against the employer turns out to be wrong, the whistleblower is protected against retaliation such as firing, demotion, harassment, and pay cuts. Many successful lawsuits have been brought against companies and agencies to recover damages such as lost wages and back pay.

https://employment.findlaw.com/whistleblowers/what-is-a-whistleblower.html

 

[Aglaopheme]

 

[Aglaopheme]

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though
because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it
... The other thing, There's a lot of. talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.

The President: Well, she' s going to go through some
things. I will. have Mr. Giuliani.give you a call and I am. also
going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the
bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the
prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair
prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going
to get better and better I predict.

Trump: I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal. I would like you to do us a favor

 

[trysail]

I'm still waiting for somebody to explain to me what the bloody hell Hunter Biden did to get paid $600,000 per annum by a Ukrainian gas company.




A Tale of Two Politicians...
by Francis Menton ("Manhattan Contrarian")

"...on the Biden side, the contract landed by Hill International in 2012 to build homes in Iraq — at a time when Joe Biden was Vice President and point man for U.S. relations with Iraq, and James Biden had recently become Executive Vice President of Hill, despite no previous experience in the home building industry — was $1.5 billion (with a “b”). Hunter Biden’s membership on the board of Ukrainian gas company Burisma commencing in 2014 — again. at a time when father Joe was Vice President and point man for U.S. relations with that country — appears to have paid some $50,000 per month, or about $3 million in total. The situation with Hunter’s affairs in China is somewhat murkier. An author named Peter Shweizer has claimed that ten days after flying to China on Air Force Two with his father in 2013, “Hunter Biden’s firm scored a $1.5 billion deal with a subsidiary of the Chinese government’s Bank of China.” But the Washington Post reports on September 25 that Hunter Biden’s lawyer has disputed that account, and recently stated, according to the Post, that “Hunter Biden was on the board of the advisory firm that did not directly invest, but instead advised those who did.” The Post provides no details as to how much Hunter was paid for that advisory role..."


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[Aglaopheme]

Oops

Before the whistleblower filed a formal complaint with ICIG, he tried to do it through the CIA’s internal watchdog system. The WH found out and quashed it.


Before filing a whistle-blower complaint, a C.I.A. officer first submitted accusations about President Trump’s dealings with Ukraine to the agency’s top lawyer, who shared them with the White House.CreditLarry Downing/Reuters

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/...laint-cia.html#click=https:/*******QwA2NRP9xO

 

[von_Bismarck]

I'm still waiting for somebody to explain to me what the bloody hell Hunter Biden did to get paid $600,000 per annum by a Ukrainian gas company.




A Tale of Two Politicians...
by Francis Menton ("Manhattan Contrarian")

"...on the Biden side, the contract landed by Hill International in 2012 to build homes in Iraq — at a time when Joe Biden was Vice President and point man for U.S. relations with Iraq, and James Biden had recently become Executive Vice President of Hill, despite no previous experience in the home building industry — was $1.5 billion (with a “b”). Hunter Biden’s membership on the board of Ukrainian gas company Burisma commencing in 2014 — again. at a time when father Joe was Vice President and point man for U.S. relations with that country — appears to have paid some $50,000 per month, or about $3 million in total. The situation with Hunter’s affairs in China is somewhat murkier. An author named Peter Shweizer has claimed that ten days after flying to China on Air Force Two with his father in 2013, “Hunter Biden’s firm scored a $1.5 billion deal with a subsidiary of the Chinese government’s Bank of China.” But the Washington Post reports on September 25 that Hunter Biden’s lawyer has disputed that account, and recently stated, according to the Post, that “Hunter Biden was on the board of the advisory firm that did not directly invest, but instead advised those who did.” The Post provides no details as to how much Hunter was paid for that advisory role..."


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^ Is jealous because ExxonMobil only pays him $0.005/word for anti-science propaganda.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

That cannot be the regulation to which Napolitano refers. It only addresses monetary contributions. There is no allegation I am aware of that the Trump campaign accepted any monetary contributions from any Ukrainian.

The regulation you cite does not appear to apply in this case.



My understanding is that the aid and weapon sales were frozen before Zelensky was even elected, but that's just a minor quibble. I think you make the point that there is at least sufficient circumstantial evidence to go to a jury (or the Senate) on any element of intent.

That does not address, however, the other two interrelated questions I raise above. First, what is the statute or regulation that applies, and what are its specific elements? The regulation Aglaopheme cites does not apply. It only addresses monetary donations from foreign nationals.

Second, and more specifically, given that he has not yet been nominated to run against Trump, does Biden meet the definition of a "political opponent" under the applicable law. I have yet to see that addressed by anyone, either Trump friend or foe.

It looked to me originally that Trump had probably broken some law but, the more I study it, there does not seem to be any law that actually applies.

Federal law prohibits a person from soliciting, accepting or receiving a contribution or donation from a foreign national. Federal law defines “contribution” to include “any gift … of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office.” And the FEC by regulation defines “solicit” to mean “to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.”

So in just asking Trump performed a criminal act. The "thing of value" does not have to be monetary.

That said there are actions that are impeachable that are crimes and acts that are crimes that are not impeachable offenses.

All that said if you are clinging to some sophistry around the meaning of "value" in this context in an effort to excuse or deny the wrongdoing of Trump's actions than you are saying it is acceptable for a POTUS to use the value of foreign aid as a enticement for election interference to support a false and debunked narrative.

Ask yourself if it was Obama on that call if you would be performing the same semantic games.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Oops



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/...laint-cia.html#click=https:/*******QwA2NRP9xO

That destroys many of the Alt-Right's narratives.

 

[Aglaopheme]

That cannot be the regulation to which Napolitano refers. It only addresses monetary contributions. There is no allegation I am aware of that the Trump campaign accepted any monetary contributions from any Ukrainian.

The regulation you cite does not appear to apply in this case.



My understanding is that the aid and weapon sales were frozen before Zelensky was even elected, but that's just a minor quibble. I think you make the point that there is at least sufficient circumstantial evidence to go to a jury (or the Senate) on any element of intent.

That does not address, however, the other two interrelated questions I raise above. First, what is the statute or regulation that applies, and what are its specific elements? The regulation Aglaopheme cites does not apply. It only addresses monetary donations from foreign nationals.

Second, and more specifically, given that he has not yet been nominated to run against Trump, does Biden meet the definition of a "political opponent" under the applicable law. I have yet to see that addressed by anyone, either Trump friend or foe.

It looked to me originally that Trump had probably broken some law but, the more I study it, there does not seem to be any law that actually applies.

I’m sure in all of your infinite wisdom that you’ve heard of inkind donations.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Probably not. I've started tuning out the "news" and am paying more attention to what I'm hearing on the street. What I'm hearing isn't boding well for the dems once you get outside the partisan echo chambers.

^^^Not surprising in the least. I imagine it's harder and harder for you to find "news" that supports your preconceived political biases (i.e. "Trump is the Real Victim Here!")

Much similar to participate in a local RWCJ echo chamber where dissenting opinions are seldom if ever heard.

 

[BotanyBoy]

^^^Not surprising in the least. I imagine it's harder and harder for you to find "news" that supports your preconceived political biases (i.e. "Trump is the Real Victim Here!")

More ascription......can you be even remotely honest??

 

[RobDownSouth]

Gook Morning! It's Monday

https://i.imgur.com/MO2MhMC.jpg

I acknowledge you, StalkerBoi

 

[HisArpy]

If you say that someone told you something happened, and that someone had actually told you that something happened, you have not told a lie. Get it?

And when it turned out to have happened and the one who did it admits it happened, any suggestion it happened is borne out--it's not a fabrication.

Get that in your pointy little head, Harpy?

IF you didn't see, feel, or hear it happen, then YOU don't "know" it happened. Making an accusation on that basis is a lie.


You can twist in the wind all you want, but that's an incontrovertible fact. A lie is a lie.

 

[jaF0]

I'm still waiting for somebody to explain to me ...

A. Why that matters in relation to this thread.

B. Why fails-to-try posts in stupid font.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I acknowledge you, StalkerBoi

Ohh more racism and biting off of Luk because outside of racial slurs you can't come up with your own material......how predictably pathetic of you Rob

 

[KeithD]

Overnight in this thread certainly shows how triggered the Trumpettes are.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Overnight in this thread certainly shows how triggered the Trumpettes are.

Just when you think they cannot possibly get any more triggered, we have a nothing less than a total meltdown this past weekend.

Trump supporters recognize impeachment as an existential threat to their existence, a clear and present danger to their First Amendment right to say "nigger".

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just when you think they cannot possibly get any more triggered, we have a nothing less than a total meltdown this past weekend.

Trump supporters recognize impeachment as an existential threat to their existence, a clear and present danger to their First Amendment right to say "nigger".

Says the only person on the board who had a racial slur laden white supremacy meltdown this weekend LOL

Rob....arguably the most self unaware "progressives" on the board.

 

[RobDownSouth]

https://i.imgur.com/MO2MhMC.jpg

^^^One Trick Pony

 

[coati]

Overnight in this thread certainly shows how triggered the Trumpettes are.

Yes, and according to the Onion, Lindsey Graham is demanding to know how Trump can be expected to rule Amerika in this climate of accountability!