What Are You Thinking? Continued 4

[tolyk]

I have no idea what the drama was . . . but I'm sorry to see this

Just scroll back further in this thread if you want to know. I was part of it

I received a really beautiful piece of artwork from Tink. I wrote a 2,000 word naughty story tailored to my giftee. Unfortunately she left Lit after I got her name, I never knew if she received it or not.

It was fun . . . Do it PLP

Who was your giftee? And I agree, I'd participate again!

Wondering if Tolyk is enjoying the 3' of snow. Hope you're ok buddy.

Oh, I love snow. My only issue is I didn't get out to do any autumn photography. But, hoping the leaves hold for me in Ontario I miss maple trees so much

 

[Joe_Bob_Gautama]

Thinking about the kindness and courtliness of everyone in this rural Southern place. Everyone still has manners and looks you in the eye. A grizzled man pulled his pickup over an hour ago when he saw me walking down the road and offered me a ride. I only had about 400 yards to walk, but I took his offer because I enjoy meeting new people. I'm often bored as hell here. But I can't really complain.

 

[tnman03]

I'll try to keep this short, if not sweet. I have obviously offended several people here, and for that I must apologize. It is not the example I expect of myself and I'm sorry if anyone was truly hurt. I only have to say that the last few months have been frustrating, watching what used to be a good place to talk and enjoy interaction descend into a constant barrage of vicious virtual slugfests and nasty name calling. In many cases it hasn't been "healthy discussion". I deeply regret any part I've had in any of that. I know several of you probably have me on ignore now; this is just to tell you you needn't bother, as I won't be posting anymore.

I'm sorry to read this and I'll really hate not seeing you posting here on Lit.

While I agree that the hostility here on the PG and Lit in general has been unpleasant its really always been somewhat that way. How we address conflict on a sparsely moderated forum is problematic. Your voice is every bit as important as any others here as is your opinion. I hope that you do decide to stick around here.

 

[PattiJolene]

I have no idea what the drama was . . . but I'm sorry to see this

Yes me too....

 

[standard1]

hard to believe we’re talking about Santa! but, yep, it’s right in front of us. kinda got me thinking about who, i mean what i want.

 

[Xerxes82]

Sometimes I take the time to write out a post, and then just before I hit the button to post it I go back and delete it.

This was one of those times, and I don't feel at all bad about it.

 

[mnbreastluver]

Men have given astronomically more hand jobs than women.

 

[beachbaby179]

I have no idea what the drama was . . . but I'm sorry to see this

Me too.

 

[LurkingLazarus]

Teleportation is an underrated superpower.

 

[Joe_Bob_Gautama]

Men have given astronomically more hand jobs than women.

And they've probably prevented wars by doing so. It's really an act of bravery. Though I've never quite convinced a woman to do it with that argument.

 

[mnbreastluver]

Nothing says "this is someone else's problem" quite like a leaf blower.

 

[Deleted member 3041612]

How nice good old fashioned conversations are.

 

[SassySheDevil]

Why? Please explain it to me if you feel like it. Women used to wear business suits, but now they increasingly sexualize themselves in professional situations. This isn't something that gets me worked up. I'm just passingly curious about the influences that have led to this cultural change.

I can agree with you on some level. I do agree that many have brought dressing up, to a new level. I know the difference between dressing up for say.. A job interview, vs dressing up because I want to feel beautiful, which means I probably wont try as hard to make sure my tits aren't falling out. If I'm dressing for a job, or interview or something. I will make sure my tits aren't half out.

I agree that women have the right to wear whatever they want. But I'm not one who gets offended when jobs stress equal rights for men and women regarding professional dress codes.

 

[Fugu_B]

Teleportation is an underrated superpower.

Damn straight. Anyone who can work out the nasty physical side effects is all right in my book

Im thinking that I wish that I could teleport about 3000 miles this evening

 

[SassySheDevil]

My issue here is why is this even a topic. It’s just another example of how women are judged by a different standard than men in business or professional situations.

We are in 2019, when are women truly going to be equal. I have been in the professional world for 35 years on two continents and for the last 20 at management or director level. For a long time I railed hard against the principal that putting in more hours and getting better results still would not get me the same rewards as my male counterparts. I worked myself into the ground trying to prove otherwise, while my male counterparts were playing golf or kissing each other’s ass!

Finally I just decided to hell with it, I’m going to use what God gave me to my advantage if that’s what it takes. Went all over me but I did it for 10 years, wore the floaty dresses, the ridiculous heels, shortened the skirts and was instantly better paid and promoted further.

But it made me sick I had to do this to get the same rewards and recognition as the men I could run circles around.

That’s why I now work from home for a company that you succeed in based on your performance, not how high your heels are and how blonde your hair is!

So JBG I also have a real issue with your question, because honestly I understand why those women are dressing in a way you think is ‘inappropriate’ and ironically makes you take them less seriously.

The reason they do this is sadly it still helps us to get further, have a voice and a platform where we otherwise probably would not.

Let’s face it, how many ugly heavy women are actually in highly visible or powerful positions in this crazy world?!

And if anyone happens to think that’s ironic as she regularly strips off on her thread. I do that because I have finally learned to be happy in my body after years of crippling self esteem issues, again thanks to male stereotypes of ‘perfect’ women! So for me it’s empowering as a woman because I’m in control of what I reveal.

But this also proves why many women dress like that, and why he said he can't take them seriously.
Women know exactly the reaction they want from their choice of clothing, each morning when we dress. Yes, we should be able to wear what we want. But the world is still not totally there. It does get better each year.
I'm no different. I dress to feel beautiful. I dress to feel good. But I also know that if I walk out of the house with my tits hanging out, And some asshole decides he should comment on it, that I knew it could happen. So I can decide to either dress conservatively so no one can comment. Or say fuck them, and dress how I want and know it could get comments.
But I still cover the tits up for job interviews. I got hired at my last job because 10 years after getting hired, my manager told me he had hired me because my tits sat on the table beautifully. Now I refuse to let myself get in any door because of something like that.

 

[lovetopleasewomen]

I'll try to keep this short, if not sweet. I have obviously offended several people here, and for that I must apologize. It is not the example I expect of myself and I'm sorry if anyone was truly hurt. I only have to say that the last few months have been frustrating, watching what used to be a good place to talk and enjoy interaction descend into a constant barrage of vicious virtual slugfests and nasty name calling. In many cases it hasn't been "healthy discussion". I deeply regret any part I've had in any of that. I know several of you probably have me on ignore now; this is just to tell you you needn't bother, as I won't be posting anymore.

No need for you to leave or apologize. You are one of the more classiest Litsters here & I haven't seen anything bad from you that would warrant you leaving.

 

[Joe_Bob_Gautama]

But this also proves why many women dress like that, and why he said he can't take them seriously.
Women know exactly the reaction they want from their choice of clothing, each morning when we dress. Yes, we should be able to wear what we want. But the world is still not totally there. It does get better each year.
I'm no different. I dress to feel beautiful. I dress to feel good. But I also know that if I walk out of the house with my tits hanging out, And some asshole decides he should comment on it, that I knew it could happen. So I can decide to either dress conservatively so no one can comment. Or say fuck them, and dress how I want and know it could get comments.
But I still cover the tits up for job interviews. I got hired at my last job because 10 years after getting hired, my manager told me he had hired me because my tits sat on the table beautifully. Now I refuse to let myself get in any door because of something like that.

There's something I feel I should clarify. I have female friends who go around home in camel-toe-exposing yoga pants and camisoles that occasionally expose their nipples. I'm not flustered by that. I can tell the difference between when a woman is trying to arouse me and when she's just being casual. My point was, if you want to play a game, you have to put on the uniform.

 

[grifin]

I can't believe the weekend is over already... and I had Friday off too

 

[mnbreastluver]

Biting your tongue while eating is a perfect example of how you can still screw up, even with decades of experience.

 

[Xerxes82]

Not for the first time, I wish she'd move her hands.

 

[Misshotndeep]

I'll try to keep this short, if not sweet. I have obviously offended several people here, and for that I must apologize. It is not the example I expect of myself and I'm sorry if anyone was truly hurt. I only have to say that the last few months have been frustrating, watching what used to be a good place to talk and enjoy interaction descend into a constant barrage of vicious virtual slugfests and nasty name calling. In many cases it hasn't been "healthy discussion". I deeply regret any part I've had in any of that. I know several of you probably have me on ignore now; this is just to tell you you needn't bother, as I won't be posting anymore.

Seriously! Who hurt you? You are a light of this place . A fixture on the good times and memories. Don’t go!!!

 

[JennyNo1]

So because a couple don't like you, you'll just stop posting completely? That doesn't really make any sense.

I said I didn't admire you anymore, didn't say I hated you.

If leaving the boards is easier for you, by all means (not like you need anyone's permission, but you know what I mean).

This place USED to be better, yes. But the more good people stay quiet about bad shit happening, the more good people leave. I for one intend to call people on their shit, and make sure that others know that the shit is seen. Ignoring shit on your boots just drags it everywhere with you afterall.

That's what you got from what I said? Let me clarify. My purpose was twofold - one, to apologize to anyone I've offended, because obviously I have, and two, to say I'm backing away from posting indefinitely. Not because some people don't like me - hell, I'm sure there are plenty of those. And there are only a small number who I care whether they like me or not. I hope they know who they are. But because the vitriol is so widespread and getting worse. (Though to be honest, looking back on the conversations, there were only a sprinkling of that kind of posts.) And it's pointless. Has anything been accomplished because of it? Not that I can see. Have you made the trolls change their evil ways? Not saying don't call them on it. But don't expect them to say "oopsie, sorry" just because you call them a name. You're not going to wear them down; to the contrary, it just feeds most of them. IRL is different - you've got to stand up, and a lot can be accomplished, but here it's an exercise in futility.

I'm not enjoying Lit now, so I don't want to spend the time on it I have in the past, pure and simple, not because it's "easier". Let's not make me out to be a wuss, okay? I've thought about it a while, and I would wait it out, but it's only getting worse. People keep saying it's just a cycle, but cycles end. So I'm going to spend more time on things I do enjoy and which bring more value to my life.

 

[NeonSubtlety]

I guess I’m about to work out after day drinking. Wish me me luck?

 

[Esslemont]

The deeper the bucket sinks into the well, the sweeter the liquid it draws forth.

This is of course about fucking.

 

[Misshotndeep]

That's what you got from what I said? Let me clarify. My purpose was twofold - one, to apologize to anyone I've offended, because obviously I have, and two, to say I'm backing away from posting indefinitely. Not because some people don't like me - hell, I'm sure there are plenty of those. And there are only a small number who I care whether they like me or not. I hope they know who they are. But because the vitriol is so widespread and getting worse. (Though to be honest, looking back on the conversations, there were only a sprinkling of that kind of posts.) And it's pointless. Has anything been accomplished because of it? Not that I can see. Have you made the trolls change their evil ways? Not saying don't call them on it. But don't expect them to say "oopsie, sorry" just because you call them a name. You're not going to wear them down; to the contrary, it just feeds most of them. IRL is different - you've got to stand up, and a lot can be accomplished, but here it's an exercise in futility.

I'm not enjoying Lit now, so I don't want to spend the time on it I have in the past, pure and simple, not because it's "easier". Let's not make me out to be a wuss, okay? I've thought about it a while, and I would wait it out, but it's only getting worse. People keep saying it's just a cycle, but cycles end. So I'm going to spend more time on things I do enjoy and which bring more value to my life.

Hugs! I will miss you. I do understand what your saying. The negativity that this place can hold just brings everyone else down. But please remember there are good people here that they do care about you. I wish you well on your journey old friend.