Another black man targeted for waiting for a friend

[someoneyouknow]

(CNN)A young boy came to the defense of a black man on the Fourth of July as the boy's father questioned and later called the police on the man who said he was waiting for a friend at a San Francisco apartment building.

During the three-and-a-half-minute recording, the boy can be heard pleading with his father not to call police on Michel, whom the father says is a "trespasser" in his building.

Long story short, the ass hat thought he could get away with targeting a black guy standing near the door. The victim films the entire thing, telling the deplorable, "You're just gonna be the next person on TV, just remember that and you have your son with you," Michel tells the man.

The guy calls the police and describes Michel. The criminal's son keeps saying; "Dad, don't. Please go," the boy says. "Daddy go. It's the better; I agree with him, daddy." "Daddy, I don't like this. Let's go," he says."

When the friend comes out of the building, the boy tries to pull his dad away saying, "Told you. Let's go now," the young boy says and begins pulling his dad. "Daddy, look what you've gotten us into. Let's go!"

Even after being shown for racist twat he is, the criminal asks the friend for proof he's a resident of the building, the very building he just came out of, before he cancels the call with the police. Then, as if nothing happened, the criminal asks Michel to stop recording, who declines to do so.

"Now you're online forever," Michel said.

Michel says he "could never have imagined" how quickly his instincts to protect himself would arise.

"I believe that ultimately everyone wants to be seen for who they are and not prejudged," he said. "I'm an American, a brother, a son and an ambitious Engineer who loves to code and wants to greatly contribute to the tech world in (San Francisco), a city that I love."​

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/san-francisco-police-called-on-black-man-trnd/index.html

 

[BotanyBoy]

A racist in San Francisco.....2nd only in bigots to NYC??? No way!!!

Just like the noted feminist and grassroots socialist permit Patty!!! Sticking it to the capitalist patriarchy one little black girl at a time.

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90% chance the racist was a suuuuuuuper progressive lefty.

 

[butters]

i agree that it's typical of the sort of behaviours a lot endure on a day to day basis. i'm glad the guy videoed it on his cam, it needed seeing.

however, it's a wise course of action to relate the contents of the article truly:
the guy doing the accusing states the black guy had entered the building as a trespasser. if the guy was standing outside the building, i'm with him 100 percent... the other guy can fuck right off, he shouldn't need to explain himself to anyone as to his rights to stand there. if he entered the building and the other guy's a resident there, perhaps he felt he had a right to ask.

the other thing is it said the friend appeared to come from outside the building, not from inside.

i don't doubt the veracity of the accused and that hr was waiting for his friend. if he'd been a white guy, the other probably would never have even thought to call the cops.

 

[CandiCame]

That poor kid.

These folks really will call the cops for any goddamn thing. I just don't understand that. They must live somewhere where there's 1: No real crime and 2: Cops who get there pretty quick.

It takes cops two or three hours to get anywhere around here. It's a last resort kinda thing. And if they come out for bullshit they get real pissed about it.

There was this big to-do where they started telling people that if you called them there better goddamn well be something for them to do once they got there, because apparently folks were calling and then refusing to press charges, and it became this big debate thing about women's rights because it was mostly a domestic violence thing, and they changed the law so that now if you call the cops they take your man to jail whether you want them to or not.

It's part of a 'mandatory reporting' thing, if they get a call, at all, they have to arrest somebody so that they can do all the intake and evaluation stuff. There's only like 3 states that have them, and it was directly tied to cops getting pissed about being called over what they considered bullshit. I remember how HUGE of a thing this was, so it's just buckwild to me that people are out here calling the cops because somebody is standing somewhere. It's so far out of the realm of normal human behavior as I've experienced it, that I can't even fathom what the mindset is.

Also, as somebody with a kid, this dude wasn't scared. If you're scared and you have your kid, you don't stand there and call the cops, you take your kid and get them to safety. You'd have to fight every instinct in your body to just stand there and talk on the phone.

 

[Luk]

The kid is smarter than the dad and SpazBot2K.

 

[CandiCame]

On this same vein, has anybody ever had your dad do something this fucking embarrassing while you stood there like, "Dad please. Dad, fuck's sake."

Because those things started popping into my brain when I read this. I have been that kid so many times.

Like one time my dad got pissed because somebody was waving him over trying to get him to help them, in his capacity as a cop, which he was.

This group of teenagers had broken down in the parking lot of my school, where my dad had come to pick me up for some reason that I can't remember, in his cop car. They saw a cop car and thought, "Oh, a public servant. Perhaps if we flag him down, he'll help us." Because apparently they were fucking idiots.

My dad sees them, decided they were disrespecting him, and pulled his gun before we even pulled over. I'm sitting in the front of this cop car like, "What the actual fuck is wrong with you?"

He's like, "They're disrespecting me! I'm gonna fuckin arrest them." Like already pissed, vein throbbing in his head and shit.

I'm like, "There car's broke down and they want help, you unbelievable dumbass."

He had two of them in cuffs before he figured out that their car was broken down and they were trying to flag him down for help. I did what this kid did, just standing there like, "I'm sorry. I'm so fucking sorry. I don't know why he's like this. I'm sorry."

The school cop came out, because dad called him, and end of the story nobody got arrested, but they also didn't help them, and my dad is an asshole.

These were people I knew, that I went to school with. People I had to keep interacting with. Embarrassed the hell out of me.

And he did shit like that all the time.

So my first thought was, "Oh that poor kid. Jesus kid I am so sorry. I've been there. I'm so sorry."

 

[BotanyBoy]

The kid is smarter than the dad and SpazBot2K.

^^Insisted permit patty was a 45 voter until he realized she was a LEFTY taking out capitalist pig children for making money without a licence from his beloved god state.

 

[Luk]

^^^ Has to lie and move goalposts after being trounced.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Apparently, Michel was a trespasser, or seemed to be one. He does not live in the building and, when somebody else left, he sneaked in before the door closed. He said he was waiting for a friend but refused to name the friend. It turned out he was innocent of any real wrong doing, but the man who challenged him had no way of knowing that. Michel could just as well have been planning a home invasion or similar act.

And this had nothing to do with race. Any trespasser or prowler would have and should have been accosted the same way.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/san-francisco-police-called-on-black-man-trnd/index.html

 

[butters]

Apparently, Michel was a trespasser, or seemed to be one. He does not live in the building and, when somebody else left, he sneaked in before the door closed. He said he was waiting for a friend but refused to name the friend. It turned out he was innocent of any real wrong doing, but the man who challenged him had no way of knowing that. Michel could just as well have been planning a home invasion or similar act.

And this had nothing to do with race. Any trespasser or prowler would have and should have been accosted the same way.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/san-francisco-police-called-on-black-man-trnd/index.html

cite?

nowhere, nowhere in any report is that term used

that one's all down to your prejudices and expectations

 

[Hal9000_]

Apparently, Michel was a trespasser, or seemed to be one. He does not live in the building and, when somebody else left, he sneaked in before the door closed. He said he was waiting for a friend but refused to name the friend. It turned out he was innocent of any real wrong doing, but the man who challenged him had no way of knowing that. Michel could just as well have been planning a home invasion or similar act.

And this had nothing to do with race. Any trespasser or prowler would have and should have been accosted the same way.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/san-francisco-police-called-on-black-man-trnd/index.html

By that logic, anyone, standing anywhere, could be "planning a home invasion or similar act".

FFS

 

[CandiCame]

Apparently, Michel was a trespasser, or seemed to be one. He does not live in the building and, when somebody else left, he sneaked in before the door closed. He said he was waiting for a friend but refused to name the friend. It turned out he was innocent of any real wrong doing, but the man who challenged him had no way of knowing that. Michel could just as well have been planning a home invasion or similar act.

And this had nothing to do with race. Any trespasser or prowler would have and should have been accosted the same way.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/san-francisco-police-called-on-black-man-trnd/index.html

This article makes me officially hate this fucker.

This is a dude who lived through this shit before. He watched his own father die for confronting a trespasser, and he went out of his way- like if what he is saying is accurate and it was a PTSD thing instead of a racist thing, then he deliberately chose to take the same actions that resulted in his father's death, in front of his own child. He deliberately chose actions he thought could result in his own death in front of his child. He deliberately started shit with his kid there that he thought might result in violence while said child begged him not to.

As a parent, that makes my fucking blood boil.

I feel so bad for this kid. Listening to it after having read the second article knowing this dude has done this to that poor kid before-

I want to slap him. I want to slap the shit out of him. It's one thing to be a racist jackass on your own time, but to pretend this is how trauma victims act and try to blame it on a mental illness- y'all know how I feel about scapegoating mental illness- and then to do it in front of your fucking child?

Like yes, if he actually has a fear response, it could be from PTSD, as he claims. When you have an emotional outburst related to trauma, you control how you handle that. This guy alleges he had a fear response and elected to keep his child in a potentially deadly situation and escalate it by confronting the person he deemed a danger. If he genuinely thought this random man was a danger, and we accept his explanation, it makes him a fucking monster.

WHAT THE FUCK!?

 

[CandiCame]

cite?

nowhere, nowhere in any report is that term used

that one's all down to your prejudices and expectations

That too, but I missed the lies because the truths in the article were so horrible.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Apparently, Michel was a trespasser, or seemed to be one.

"Apparently."

"Seemed."

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you schmucks ain't even trying anymore.

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Boxey be living to cast fake-ass aspersions on marginalized communities. That old boy is sheisty as fuck, meng.

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[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post
Apparently, Michel was a trespasser, or seemed to be one. He does not live in the building and, when somebody else left, he sneaked in before the door closed. He said he was waiting for a friend but refused to name the friend. It turned out he was innocent of any real wrong doing, but the man who challenged him had no way of knowing that. Michel could just as well have been planning a home invasion or similar act.

And this had nothing to do with race. Any trespasser or prowler would have and should have been accosted the same way.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/sa...rnd/index.html

cite?

nowhere, nowhere in any report is that term used

that one's all down to your prejudices and expectations

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post
Apparently, Michel was a trespasser, or seemed to be one. He does not live in the building and, when somebody else left, he sneaked in before the door closed. He said he was waiting for a friend but refused to name the friend. It turned out he was innocent of any real wrong doing, but the man who challenged him had no way of knowing that. Michel could just as well have been planning a home invasion or similar act.

And this had nothing to do with race. Any trespasser or prowler would have and should have been accosted the same way.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/sa...rnd/index.html

cite?

nowhere, nowhere in any report is that term used

that one's all down to your prejudices and expectations

Here is where it is used:

The video begins as Cukor asks Michel to identify the person he is there to see and to "please call your friend on the call box and have them come down and get you."
Michel declines.
"They don't have to do that. You can just walk away," Michel responds.
Cukor said he was on his way to take his son to a friend's house when he noticed that Michel caught the door and entered the building without using the call box.

You may not call that sneaking in, but Michel did not use a key and he did not contact somebody inside to buzz him in.

 

[stickygirl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

And this had nothing to do with race. Any trespasser or prowler would have and should have been accosted the same way.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/sa...rnd/index.html

Uh-oh!
It could be you, or it could be us, but there's no page here.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Uh-oh!
It could be you, or it could be us, but there's no page here.

Try the link on Post 9.

 

[Boxlicker101]

"Apparently."

"Seemed."


you schmucks ain't even trying anymore.


Boxey be living to cast fake-ass aspersions on marginalized communities. That old boy is sheisty as fuck, meng.

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To Cukor, he seemed to be a trespasser.

 

[Boxlicker101]

By that logic, anyone, standing anywhere, could be "planning a home invasion or similar act".

FFS

If Michel had been standing in front of the building, no problem. But he was inside and he didn't belong there. And this was in S. F. If this was a place of any size, there would have been people of all races and ethnicities living there. It was not Michel's race; it was the fact that he was a stranger standing around inside the building.

 

[Hal9000_]

If Michel had been standing in front of the building, no problem. But he was inside and he didn't belong there. And this was in S. F. If this was a place of any size, there would have been people of all races and ethnicities living there. It was not Michel's race; it was the fact that he was a stranger standing around inside the building.

Doing what?

Loitering? No.

Panhandling? No.

Dude waiting for his ride?

Yes.

 

[KeithD]

Doing what?

Loitering? No.

Panhandling? No.

Dude waiting for his ride?

Yes.

Actually, loitering, yes, whether or not he was waiting for a ride. It was pretty much a legitimate question for a resident of the building to ask and could have been cleared up if the resident being waited for had been identified/contacted as requested. It's not a one-way issue and only appears so because everyone's looking for these issues to beat the drum on.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

To Cukor, he seemed to be a trespasser.

"seemed" ain't "actually."

Logic stream pro tip bitch slap coming at you full steam here, Box. Brace yourself.

Trespassers don't wait around while people call the police.

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Shit, trespassers don't wait around when being noticed, period. Please, show me the last time a potential lawbreaker waited around while law enforcement was being called on them. In the fucking daytime, at that.

Cukor was wrong the minute Michel stood his ground in camming him right back to make sure truth was being seen. In the full video, as soon as Michel's friend comes through (who is handicapped, apparently) you can see it in his face that he knows he fucked up but of course he tries to play it off. This is where we are right now in The Age of Cheeto thanks to some white people who can't ever mind their biz when black people are living and think the police are their personal buddies to put them in their place again. If Michel could've been anything than what he actually was — there's no seemed here, guy — then Cukor not only put himself in harm's way but also his child. Given what happened to his own father, in the reasons he gave for his actions, it doesn't fucking make sense.

If Michel was white — and a woman, even — in the same situation, I am 99.9% certain Cukor wouldn't have done jack shit and kept stepping. Because privilege means that certain people aren't automatically socialized to be threats. Now, because of his headass assumptions and the need to be an overlord, his name is permanently out there in a negative light and he's had to scrub his social media profiles due to scrutiny. This is all on him. I bet his wife cussed his ass OUT when he got home and shit blew up.

I feel sorry for the little tyke, though. He knew what was up. Kids are honest up until a certain age because they haven't been taught how to filter through projected biases.

Can't wait for nimrods to start getting three-digit fines on frivolous and unnecessary calls to police due to their knee-jerk fears. Miss me on this bullshit.

 

[someoneyouknow]

This article makes me officially hate this fucker.
. . .
Like yes, if he actually has a fear response, it could be from PTSD, as he claims. When you have an emotional outburst related to trauma, you control how you handle that. This guy alleges he had a fear response and elected to keep his child in a potentially deadly situation and escalate it by confronting the person he deemed a danger. If he genuinely thought this random man was a danger, and we accept his explanation, it makes him a fucking monster.

WHAT THE FUCK!?

You're missing the point. This had nothing to do about his safety or the safety of his kid. If it was, he would have left the scene, then called police and let them handle it.

Instead, as you pointed out, he kept both himself and his kid in close proximity to this person he believed to be dangerous, while being filmed, because that's what you do. PTSD be damned. He stood there the entire time to make a point that Michel shouldn't be there because . . . reasons.

This is further demonstrated when Michel's friend came down from his own apartment and the guy questioned him as well. So now you have two people who the guy feared were criminals standing in close proximity to him and his kid.

Even the police didn't bother with his bullshit.

Now the kid has to live the rest of life with video of his father being shown for the racist deplorable he truly is spread all over the world. What a father.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Whitey obviously lied and made up a story about his "Dad being killed by a trespasser". His whole response was designed to stave off the shitstorm his own behavior caused. I don't believe a word of it.

All he had to do was leave and call the cops in the safety of his own apartment if he was truly concerned about a criminal "breaking in." But that's not what it was about, obvs. He stayed to put on a show to his son about how white people show dominance over black, and his son knew it and was embarrassed for him. I don't think the son would have been so upset if he didn't already know his Dad was an asshole.