LOL! Far-right arsonist sets himself on fire while trying to burn synagogue

[icanhelp1]

Republicans literally said, "I don't want any mental ill person to have guns. We'll take them first without due process and sort it out later."

I just linked to it.

It's not about personal responsibility, it's about blaming the group.

That's the same reason they wanted laws restricting entire groups of people from entering the country rather than just individuals. And because they cast the net so fucking wide now Muhammad Ali's kid can get out of the fuckin airport any time he tried to fly, because the system flags his name.

Because you got everything backwards for no reason and the republicans are all about groups whereas the democrats are all about individual responsibility.

That's also the reason that democrats will, to use actual sexual misconduct as examples, completely cooperate in investigations of their own. Remember how Clinton was questioned with bipartisan support? Remember how Al Franken had to resign over sexual misconduct allegations? Because we take that shit seriously? But republicans will just let that shit go because they DON'T want to take individual responsibility or be held accountable?

Live in reality, fuck's sakes.

Edit: Also, I just researched it and Ted Bundy had massive republican support because he, himself, was an active republican politician. So there were, predictably, a lot of people who were close to him who had the attitude of, "Ted wouldn't do this". Which is perfectly understandable. I'm just saying you gave just about the worst example you could. Bundy in particular had a shitton of republicans making a shitton of excuses for him.

https://i0.wp.com/bundyphile.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wp-1478752812411.jpg

https://bundyphile.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/ted-bundy-the-politician/

https://law.jrank.org/pages/12174/Bundy-Ted-Political-connections.html

Edit: Also, 80% of serial killers are republicans and rank their conservative values as very important to them.

What happened in Virginia?

I thought alcoholism was considered a mental illness by the Betty Ford foundation.

 

[CandiCame]

I still say Cons. look on people as individuals and Libs. look on them as members of groups.

Yeah dude you say wrong shit all the time. That's why you won't actually try to refute my point, that one that's actually relevant to the thread, that republicans

1: Try to say that mass shooters/terrorists/violent criminals have mental illness when they don't

and

2: Try to use that lie to take guns from law abiding citizens for no good reason because they want to have a group mentality where they say: "Well we have decided that this person is neurodivergent, therefore fuck the entire group of neurodivergent people."

We're not your fucking scapegoat and I have a RIGHT to bear arms.

 

[doowdniw]

Always.

They never take personal responsibility. Ever.

A teleprompter told him to do it.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yeah dude you say wrong shit all the time. That's why you won't actually try to refute my point, that one that's actually relevant to the thread, that republicans

1: Try to say that mass shooters/terrorists/violent criminals have mental illness when they don't

and

2: Try to use that lie to take guns from law abiding citizens for no good reason because they want to have a group mentality where they say: "Well we have decided that this person is neurodivergent, therefore fuck the entire group of neurodivergent people."

We're not your fucking scapegoat and I have a RIGHT to bear arms.

So what's your point? It's the lefty lunes that want to take your guns.

 

[Que]

Good God.

What a fruitcake.

"Neurodivergent"

That is 100% the problem with the progressive side of the aisle. Put a new fucking label on things and that's just going to fix shit.

You're going to rail against Republicans taking guns away from CRAZY PEOPLE and say NOTHING about Democrats wanting to take them away from EVERYONE.

Let me draw you a Venn diagram, you dumbass. The subset of humans known as crazy people is part of the larger circle of humans known as everybody.

You don't give a goddamn shit about the right for people to protect themselves including people who may have mental health issues who may be through a process of having a conversation about that with family friends, maybe a physician, and/or therapist decide a gun is reasonable for them to have. You are only concerned about having your feelings hurt by the stigma that SOME fruitcakes should NOT have weapons. If YOUR brand of fruitcake is not a danger to yourselves and others, you wouldn't be the sort of fruitcake we want to take guns away from.

You're an absolute fucking idiot. You're worried about this tarring the reputation of crazy people who are frequently a danger to themselves and sometimes a menace to other members of society and certainly should, in some way, be looked at... but you don't give a goddamn about the fact that Democrats want your doctor to have a conversation with you about firearms when you have no history of mental illness, you fucking nut!

 

[Que]

So what's your point? It's the lefty lunes that want to take your guns.

It's the same argument that we shouldn't have heavy police presence in black neighborhoods where all the crime is happening because it just gives the impression that a lot of crime is happening there.

Can't look at mental health as a problem because that's going to stigmatize Mental Health Issues. As if having yet another fruitcake shoot up a place isn't a bigger problem for how people feel about people with mental health issues.

The pendulum needs to swing back the other way. At one time basically you could get anyone committed to a psychiatric ward and you really couldn't prove your own sanity to get yourself out of the ward. Now you can't even get it certifiable fruitcake certified because there's no such thing as certified anymore.

If your condition is known to be treatable with medication they'll give you a prescription and Turn You Loose even if you have a long history of not taking your medication and being a danger to yourself in society you're still going to be turned Loose as soon as they stabilize you. Which is nonsense. After a point you're not doing the mentally ill any favors to turn them loose to babble at passersby in the streets.

There's such a wide range of mental health issues for candy to be as defensive as he is is ridiculous. Everybody has at least minor indications of some sort of identifiable mental health issue. It's just a question of degree.

When were talking about batshit crazy fruitcakes he really shouldn't be that defensive unless he's batshit crazy.

 

[CandiCame]

Good God.

What a fruitcake.

"Neurodivergent"

That is 100% the problem with the progressive side of the aisle. Put a new fucking label on things and that's just going to fix shit.

You're going to rail against Republicans taking guns away from CRAZY PEOPLE and say NOTHING about Democrats wanting to take them away from EVERYONE.

Let me draw you a Venn diagram, you dumbass. The subset of humans known as crazy people is part of the larger circle of humans known as everybody.

You don't give a goddamn shit about the right for people to protect themselves including people who may have mental health issues who may be through a process of having a conversation about that with family friends, maybe a physician, and/or therapist decide a gun is reasonable for them to have. You are only concerned about having your feelings hurt by the stigma that SOME fruitcakes should NOT have weapons. If YOUR brand of fruitcake is not a danger to yourselves and others, you wouldn't be the sort of fruitcake we want to take guns away from.

You're an absolute fucking idiot. You're worried about this tarring the reputation of crazy people who are frequently a danger to themselves and sometimes a menace to other members of society and certainly should, in some way, be looked at... but you don't give a goddamn about the fact that Democrats want your doctor to have a conversation with you about firearms when you have no history of mental illness, you fucking nut!

Neurodivergent is the accurate psychological term, dumbass. It means, oversimplified to the point that I think you can understand it, "more than one z-score in a particular area away from that which is typical". Neurotypical means "within the range of that which is typical". These aren't new terms that somebody made up, they're what people who work in psychology use and they have specific meanings.

There are similar terms in ANY scientific field with a prefix indicating that field. Even straight MATH has 'typical' and 'divergent' when you're just running numbers in a statistical design and analysis class from a randomly generated data set in a textbook with no inherit meaning. Divergence is a fucking contrast function that exists in EVERY science, not just psychology.

Jesus Christ.

I've even met people who don't like those terms being used because "divergent" has a negative connotation attached to it. It's an othering term that can create an "us vs them" mentality. But that's the term we have, that we've had since the development of statistics, and I don't see it changing any time soon.

And the law being proposed that I'm talking about clearly outlines restrictions for people like me, and a full quarter of other Americans.

Y'all are killing me out here just saying shit without knowing what you're talking about.

I'm far more ok with people wanting sensible gun control for EVERYONE instead of singling me out in particular over bullshit they made up. A magazine restriction is a completely different animal from "we literally want to take your guns you might already own and completely restrict you from buying more". Read the article. That's what he says.

This is the "they're coming for our guns" hyperbole that people claim to be worried about. This isn't a restriction, it's a full fucking ban, for no reason, based on medical records, which are supposed to be private, but which you would be forced to hand over.

It's so wrong on so many levels.

And, again, if you would read the links I posted, you'd see that "crazy" people AREN'T a danger to ourselves and others. We're far less likely than neurotypical people to commit violent crimes, and far more likely to be victims of them.

When I say something and post a source for it, proving that I'm telling the truth, you can't just come back like I'm lying. You have to check the source and see if maybe I've missed some nuance or something. When I'm citing sources and you're just saying shit to be an asshole, it makes you an asshole.

 

[CandiCame]

I got like 4 mental illnesses and I've never set myself on fucking fire.

Being mentally ill makes you crazy, not stupid.

It kills me how conservatives want to blame evil on mental illness. They want so bad to other people. Being crazy doesn't make you evil. We're much, much more likely to be the VICTIMS of violent crime than the perpetrators.

We ain't your scapegoat.

Given how Matt treats most folks he's probably pissed off that they can't just stick us in institutions and forget about us anymore. 1 in 4 Americans has a mental illness. You're surrounded, my man.

Also, I genuinely think he's one of us and I wish he'd get himself sorted. He'd feel a lot better.

Edit: I've also never tried to burn down a church or other place of worship, and I've had good cause. I have personal reasons to fuck up some of those places. Like not xenophobic bullshit, I just know a few preachers who need to watch their mouth before they get their teeth knocked down their throats. Not really for religious reasons, just as people.

It's the same argument that we shouldn't have heavy police presence in black neighborhoods where all the crime is happening because it just gives the impression that a lot of crime is happening there.

Can't look at mental health as a problem because that's going to stigmatize Mental Health Issues. As if having yet another fruitcake shoot up a place isn't a bigger problem for how people feel about people with mental health issues.

The pendulum needs to swing back the other way. At one time basically you could get anyone committed to a psychiatric ward and you really couldn't prove your own sanity to get yourself out of the ward. Now you can't even get it certifiable fruitcake certified because there's no such thing as certified anymore.

If your condition is known to be treatable with medication they'll give you a prescription and Turn You Loose even if you have a long history of not taking your medication and being a danger to yourself in society you're still going to be turned Loose as soon as they stabilize you. Which is nonsense. After a point you're not doing the mentally ill any favors to turn them loose to babble at passersby in the streets.

There's such a wide range of mental health issues for candy to be as defensive as he is is ridiculous. Everybody has at least minor indications of some sort of identifiable mental health issue. It's just a question of degree.

When were talking about batshit crazy fruitcakes he really shouldn't be that defensive unless he's batshit crazy.

I'm so tired of being so fucking right about all the worst shit. Just once I wish people would surprise me by not being absolute pieces of shit.

 

[CandiCame]

Que, I passed three stats classes while I was high as a fucking kite. You have NO excuse to not know what these terms mean. NONE. If my dumb ass could learn this shit baked off my fucking ass the bar is set so goddamn low.

I set the bar on the ground and you dug a hole to go under it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yeah dude you say wrong shit all the time. That's why you won't actually try to refute my point, that one that's actually relevant to the thread, that republicans

1: Try to say that mass shooters/terrorists/violent criminals have mental illness when they don't

and

2: Try to use that lie to take guns from law abiding citizens for no good reason because they want to have a group mentality where they say: "Well we have decided that this person is neurodivergent, therefore fuck the entire group of neurodivergent people."

We're not your fucking scapegoat and I have a RIGHT to bear arms.

I still say Conservatives tend to regard people as individuals and Liberals look on them as members of races or genders or some other groups. This is the reason for Liberal laws and policies, such as Affirmative Action, school busing, anti-redlining laws etc. Conservatives favor hiring and promotion based on merit, neighborhood schools and not dictating policies regarding loans.

I believe mass murderers usually have mental illnesses, because they would not otherwise kill large numbers of people for no reason. Terrorists tend to have very strong opinions but are not usually crazy. Violent criminals might or might not have mental disorders, depending on the nature of their crimes.

I don't believe Conservatives want to disarm the populace in general. It's Liberals who want to repeal the Second Amendment. At the same time, nobody wants deranged killers to have easy access to deadly weapons. I don't know anything about you so I don't know if you have a right to bear arms or not. If you are one of those deranged killers, you don't, but otherwise you probably do.

 

[CandiCame]

I believe mass murderers usually have mental illnesses, because they would not otherwise kill large numbers of people for no reason. Terrorists tend to have very strong opinions but are not usually crazy. Violent criminals might or might not have mental disorders, depending on the nature of their crimes.

You're wrong. I posted the link. Something like 3-5% of mass murders are neurodivergent. The vast majority have no mental illness.

You're just wrong about a thing.

 

[Dribble]

I'm so tired of being so fucking right about all the worst shit. Just once I wish people would surprise me by not being absolute pieces of shit.

It is que for christ sake...that has nothing to do with the rest of humanity.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You're wrong. I posted the link. Something like 3-5% of mass murders are neurodivergent. The vast majority have no mental illness.

You're just wrong about a thing.

I don't know where you got that figure, but I would take exception to it. So would these people: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...-shootings-mental-illness-20180223-story.html

and these: https://khn.org/news/gun-control-vs...-after-mass-shootings-obscures-murky-reality/

 

[stickygirl]

You said that mental illness was a reason for evil deeds. It's not.

You said that people with mental illness aren't responsible for their own actions. We are.

You said that republicans and democrats agree on that. They don't. Democrats have a much more realistic view on neurodivergence.

I am a neurodivergent person. When you're talking about that group, it IS about me. The laws they want to pass about us directly affect me. 1 in four Americans are neurodivergent. You're likely talking about a quarter of the board. You might even be talking about yourself, I don't know.

Edit: And my point would stand even if I WASN'T neurodivergent, which is that shooters, terrorists, and other violent criminals are overwhelmingly neurotypical, NOT mentally ill.

Hmmm... well, I did some reading and part of this is UK/US language, because my understanding of mental illness is psychotic episodes, where personal responsibility is absent. I'm totally with you on neurodivergency as I'm fairly up to speed with that. Having ironed out the language/definitions thing, I'd say you were ahead and I'd like to offer you these along with apologies for any upset causedhttps://duetogsaij514.cloudfront.net/images/products/11/LN_493671_BP_11.jpg

So the dude with the Backdraft petrol bomb: was that Satan's work?

 

[stickygirl]

I don't know where you got that figure, but I would take exception to it. So would these people: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...-shootings-mental-illness-20180223-story.html

But not these
".. such cases, Swanson says, are in the minority. In fact, few mass killers actually suffer from a diagnosable, serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and psychotic spectrum disorders. A 2004 analysis of more than 60 mass murders in North America, for example, found that just 6% were psychotic at the time of the killings. And when it comes to mass shootings, those with mental illness account for “less than 1% of all yearly gun-related homicides”, a 2016 study found. Other studies indicate that people with mental disorders account for just 3-5% of overall violence in the US, (much lower than the prevalence of mental illness in the general population – up to 18%) which “still leaves you with around 96% of violence, even if you’re able to eliminate all people with mental disorders”, Appelbaum points out."

On the other hand from the American Psychiatric Assoc March 2019
"Our Annual Meeting will be addressing this topic with presentations that will discuss what is known about the psychology of mass shooters and current policies that provide no substantive answers to the problem of violence in society."

I guess we all want answers following a mass-shooting, but they don't seem forth coming

 

[CandiCame]

I don't know where you got that figure, but I would take exception to it. So would these people: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...-shootings-mental-illness-20180223-story.html

and these: https://khn.org/news/gun-control-vs...-after-mass-shootings-obscures-murky-reality/

That opinion piece linked a study that they grossly misunderstood about how to curb self-harm tendencies in people with a specific type of behavioral disorder- interestingly enough, something I struggle with because I, too, have a behavioral disorder. I'm guessing you didn't read it, because it doesn't say what you think it does. It's a study on effective treatment plans for reducing behavioral outbursts, which are NOT violent attacks. At all. Even a little bit.

The other source your article links ACTIVELY SPELLS OUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO LINK IN IT'S HEADLINE. Like I have no idea why the opinion piece you linked cited it as a source. Click through the links, you'll see what I'm talking about. The opinion piece you linked links this article as a source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/health/mass-murderers-mental-illness.html

All you showed me is what I already know. That people think we're dangerous for no fucking reason, because they want somebody to bitch out because they can't admit that sane folks can be evil. And they can write opinion pieces to that effect, link sources that actively contradict their opinion as if it supports it, and somehow still get their bullshit published.

I got that figure from actual research studies that I'm almost positive I already linked so I don't know how the hell you don't know where I got it. But since you apparently don't want to read that, here's a compilation of several studies used by the FBI to identify mass murders and prevent their crimes.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/pre-attack-behaviors-of-active-shooters-in-us-2000-2013.pdf/view

It clearly states that only a fourth had a potentially diagnosable mental illness at some point in their life, meaning anything from temporary depression because a relative just died to personality disorders, and only THREE had any form of psychotic disorder. Three. So at the time of the murder 75-97% of mass murders are neurotypical.

We are not your scapegoat.

And I didn't know you were so pro gun control. I honestly thought you'd be on my side. You know that if they start taking our guns that opens a fucking door, right? You really think they're going to stop at us? Really?

 

[CandiCame]

Hmmm... well, I did some reading and part of this is UK/US language, because my understanding of mental illness is psychotic episodes, where personal responsibility is absent. I'm totally with you on neurodivergency as I'm fairly up to speed with that. Having ironed out the language/definitions thing, I'd say you were ahead and I'd like to offer you these along with apologies for any upset causedhttps://duetogsaij514.cloudfront.net/images/products/11/LN_493671_BP_11.jpg

Dude even in the UK 1 in 4 people are treated for "mental illness" each year according to your own NHS studies, and it incorporates all the same issues that the US DSM does.

Your understanding isn't European it was from ignorance. I'm not pissed, just it's not the UK's fault that you think all mental illness is psychotic episodes. And people with psychotic episodes don't lose control of themselves. That's not a thing. You just have sensory experiences that have no basis in reality. I have psychosis, all you do is take medicine to make you not hallucinate. That's literally it. There's nothing about having psychosis that makes you not responsible for your actions. At all.

Yeah, sometimes you get some fucked up shit in your head because the paranoia and shit but that doesn't make you not responsible for it. My mom had untreated psychosis for FOUR DECADES. It didn't make her not responsible for her actions. It also doesn't make her violent, it just makes her think lizard people rule the one world government.

Also, it's important to note that though mental illness doesn't CAUSE violence, it also doesn't magically protect you from violence. Like if you're an asshole you'll be an asshole even if you're crazy. It just doesn't make you more likely to be an asshole. The asshole to normal person ratio is pretty consistent with the general population.

So there is going to be some overlap. In a ven diagram, "violent assholes" and "neurodivergent people" is going to have about the same amount of overlap as "violent assholes" and "neurotypical people".

But there is absolutely NOTHING about being crazy, even with psychosis, which you have singled out for no good reason, because, once again, they're not more likely than anybody to be violent, that makes a person violent. That's just not a thing.

I say this because somebody is gonna take the statistically predictable, "1/4 of mass murders could have been diagnosed with a mental illness at one time" and use it as a "gotcha!" despite the fact that 1/4 of the people in a given population will be diagnosed with a mental illness at one time so that is exactly what we would expect to see if there was no correlation between mental illness and violence and there were the same amount of violent assholes among the sub-population as there was in the overall population.

 

[stickygirl]

...
Your understanding isn't European it was from ignorance. I'm not pissed, just it's not the UK's fault that you think all mental illness is psychotic episodes...

You're right - it was my ignorance and I appreciate you kicking my ass on this.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

jeebus

 

[Kantarii]

I am a neurodivergent person.

I got like 4 mental illnesses

Damn, you aren’t gonna go postal on us or some shit are you?

 

[CandiCame]

Damn, you aren’t gonna go postal on us or some shit are you?

I'm reserving the right.

Nah, my whole point is that SOME people played some video games that take place in a mental hospital and literally think that people like me are video game monsters and they need to quit that dumbassery.

These arsonists and shooters and whatnot ain't crazy, they're just dicks.

 

[icanhelp1]

I'm reserving the right.

Nah, my whole point is that SOME people played some video games that take place in a mental hospital and literally think that people like me are video game monsters and they need to quit that dumbassery.

These arsonists and shooters and whatnot ain't crazy, they're just dicks.

I believe you, I think there is an unfortunate stigma attached to mental illness because most people don't understand it. When I took Psych in college many illnesses were theoretically linked to chemical and hormonal imbalances and I believe some people are truly evil and sociopathic. Just my humble opinion.

 

[Matthew Craig]

I'm reserving the right.

Nah, my whole point is that SOME people played some video games that take place in a mental hospital and literally think that people like me are video game monsters and they need to quit that dumbassery.

These arsonists and shooters and whatnot ain't crazy, they're just dicks.

Resident Evil 5 was the best, shooting up zombie niggers in africa. Good times, good times.

 

[RocketLauncher]

This is EXACTLY what big pharma wants you to think, and buy from them. Meds,.. That give them all the excuse to invade Afghanistan and set up a puppet state to grow opium, and next Iran, to clench their greedy hands on more oil. You are overdosed on lies, and that's why your brain hurts. Dig deeper.

Dirty hippy.

 

[Noor]

Deplorables are always idiots.

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Far-right arsonist sets himself on fire as he attempts to burn down synagogue

G-d's will?