accepting trump

[cleaver]

he is the president after all.

in what has become a trigger-laden quagmire
that almost immediately denigrates into
a tired, invective filled spitball fight,
can we here have a discussion where
supporters of this president
can reasonably and rationally
persuade detractors
as to how he could be considered...
acceptable?

the antipathy runs deep.
so, it seems, does the admiration.

as a civil exercise,
can the adherents enlighten the deterrents
to some pathway of acceptance?

what's the point?

the contention would be that the vilification/deification of this president
has become the hackneyed - lazy go-to in any such discourse here;
leaving most policy issue discussions victim
to a broken-record, personal hate-fuck fest
with donald j trump as the titular catalyst.

in what ways can trump be shown acceptable;
to encourage better discourse on more pressing matters?

keep it civil.

 

[FGB]

He is POTUS Like OBAMA was.

End of Story

I wish he was better but he is what he is.

 

[Luk]

He is POTUS Like OBAMA was.

End of Story

I wish he was better but he is what he is.

And he's good Christian man, like yourself. You also share the same amount of divorces and hairstyle so I get it.

 

[Dribble]

And he's good Christian man, like yourself. You also share the same amount of divorces and hairstyle so I get it.

And small hands....

 

[cleaver]

He is POTUS Like OBAMA was.

End of Story

I wish he was better but he is what he is.

that is the ineffable. yes.

but the trump hatred clouds
any way forward in governance
as does the trump adoration.

each policy issue becomes a polarized abstraction
beyond party really...
as to wwdjt do.

our current governmental quagmire is as much
over the personality as anything.

 

[cleaver]

And he's good Christian man, like yourself. You also share the same amount of divorces and hairstyle so I get it.

fuck. luk.

i'll start another thread about who each of us hates and why
with extra lit cred given for really good zingers.

not here...


not yet.

 

[FGB]

Not even close Luk.

Want to try the Subject now?

 

[stickygirl]

As an outsider, it does seem like some good things have happened, but that's like saying at least everyone didn't drown when the Titanic sank. You have to count your blessings where you find them. I am heartened that some Americans can find good in anyone: I think that shows what a big-hearted nation the USA is. God bless America

 

[Luk]

He is POTUS Like OBAMA was.

End of Story

I wish he was better but he is what he is.

fuck. luk.

i'll start another thread about who each of us hates and why
with extra lit cred given for really good zingers.

not here...


not yet.

Ah, but it IS on point. He looks like him, thinks like him and relates to him (somehow). Yeah, I went the extra mile but the content is there.

 

[BotanyBoy]

can we here have a discussion where
supporters of this president
can reasonably and rationally
persuade detractors
as to how he could be considered...
acceptable?

Nope, the guy could cure cancer, aids and end world hunger......the TDS'ers would do all they could to villify him for it.

He could also beat puppies to death and skin small children alive on national TV and the worshipers would find a way to justify it.

The ability for folks to say good things are good and bad things are bad is gone.

It's just unending partisanship and polarization.

our current governmental quagmire is as much
over the personality as anything.

It's really not, if DJT was some uber "woke" western/white/male hating transexual communist and Islam convert with a (D) in front of his name the Luk's and Carnal Flowers of the 1st would would be on here defending everything he did and licking his ass day in and day out.

The quagmire boils down to ideology.

The anti-civil/individual rights, no borders collectivist/socialist on the left....and the pro individual/civil rights nationalist and capitalist on the right.

The west failed to teach its children the foundational ideals and principals our civilization was built on, it allowed the subversive left to grow, proliferate and as such it has set itself up for a cultural civil war that's in full swing.

We don't have any shared values, not even free speech.....which is clearly evil white male Nazi bullshit only fascist support.

The west won the cold war but it lost the culture war and now it's paying the price. Question is will those who like western civilization stand up for it? Or will we hand it over to the "woke" identitarians and ethno-socialist??

 

[FGB]

Ah, but it IS on point. He looks like him, thinks like him and relates to him (somehow). Yeah, I went the extra mile but the content is there.

http://www.optometriceyesitenc.com/eye-care-services/online-eye-exam/

https://www.betterhelp.com/start/?g...25c1935ae69aece124e9641&not_found=1&gor=start

 

[FGB]

I'm off to do some Fire Sticking...

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I don't agree.

If you're talking about legislation, it doesn't have much to do with Trump.

The Dems have sent bills to the Senate: Mitch McConnell has declared himself the Grim Reaper and refuses to put anything whatsoever up for discussion.

It's Mitch McConnell who is the piece of shit stuck in the toilet not letting anything move. He is the obstacle to anything whatsoever getting done.

He's declared the Senate a graveyard; it's completely and utterly his fault. He'd be doing it with or without Trump.

Meanwhile, Trump himself is enacting his "agenda" all the time. Destroying climate regulations, destroying the "administrative state," destroying immigrants, destroying the rule of law, destroying the prestige of the Presidency.

That's not the fault of "Trump hatred." But it is enabled by the Trump adoration.

Trump (and McConnell) hatred is hatred of this situation; it's not affecting anything.

Also: Since Day One, this POTUS has never in any way pretended to be a President "for all." The Dems are "the opposition," and that's that. He speaks only to al Qaeda, his "base." It's not like he's reaching out and being rebuffed. The idea that things would be so much better if only Dems stopped resisting him is total bullcrap.

that is the ineffable. yes.

but the trump hatred clouds
any way forward in governance
as does the trump adoration.

each policy issue becomes a polarized abstraction
beyond party really...
as to wwdjt do.

our current governmental quagmire is as much
over the personality as anything.

 

[cleaver]

so,
thus far,
we have that this is a cultural war of polarity
with djt as a lucky/unlucky titular.... bystander
or that - at least the boat hasn't sunk
or that mitch is the toilet clog...

still nothing but "circumstance"
to make trump more palatable to detractors?

in other threads, i've posed several "admirable" aspects to this president/presidency.

certainly there are other positions upon which we can find
positive common ground?

 

[HisArpy]

so,
thus far,
we have that this is a cultural war of polarity
with djt as a lucky/unlucky titular.... bystander
or that - at least the boat hasn't sunk
or that mitch is the toilet clog...

still nothing but "circumstance"
to make trump more palatable to detractors?

in other threads, i've posed several "admirable" aspects to this president/presidency.

certainly there are other positions upon which we can find
positive common ground?

I doubt it.

Look at CF's post in this thread. She blames McConnell (and by proxy Trump too) for not advancing House passed legislation yet conveniently ignores the fact that the House is sitting on the USMCA treaty with no plans to go forward on it.

Partisan ideology is a failure for everyone because one can always find something to use as a foil against the other side while ignoring the hits one suffers in the fray.

"Berserker" probably comes closest to describing what's going on.

 

[cleaver]

I doubt it.

Look at CF's post in this thread. She blames McConnell (and by proxy Trump too) for not advancing House passed legislation yet conveniently ignores the fact that the House is sitting on the USMCA treaty with no plans to go forward on it.

Partisan ideology is a failure for everyone because one can always find something to use as a foil against the other side while ignoring the hits one suffers in the fray.

"Berserker" probably comes closest to describing what's going on.

so...
we can ignore trump in the quagmire equation?

 

[HisArpy]

so...
we can ignore trump in the quagmire equation?

It really isn't about Trump.

Half of America has constructed a straw man of oppression and are using it to justify their agenda of hate and suppression.

Trump is merely the face on the propaganda poster. Were he not, then his successes on behalf of America would not be so angrily denounced or denied.

 

[BotanyBoy]

so,
thus far,
we have that this is a cultural war of polarity
with djt as a lucky/unlucky titular.... bystander
or that - at least the boat hasn't sunk
or that mitch is the toilet clog...

still nothing but "circumstance"
to make trump more palatable to detractors?

in other threads, i've posed several "admirable" aspects to this president/presidency.

certainly there are other positions upon which we can find
positive common ground?

Not a bystander, a symptom of....

What common ground? The two sides are antithetical to one another.

There is no common ground....no shared values.

 

[needit700]

red again

in 2020!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cowslinger64]

I doubt it.

Look at CF's post in this thread. She blames McConnell (and by proxy Trump too) for not advancing House passed legislation yet conveniently ignores the fact that the House is sitting on the USMCA treaty with no plans to go forward on it.

Partisan ideology is a failure for everyone because one can always find something to use as a foil against the other side while ignoring the hits one suffers in the fray.

"Berserker" probably comes closest to describing what's going on.

I posted the other day that there are around 50 bills sitting in the senate waiting..


So, it is Mcconnell and the gop that is the problem there.


Holy crap, you are ignorant.

 

[HisArpy]

I posted the other day that there are around 50 bills sitting in the senate waiting..


So, it is Mcconnell and the gop that is the problem there.


Holy crap, you are ignorant.

dudly, that's how the system works. If the House passes bills the Senate doesn't like, they don't HAVE to take them up.

It has nothing to do with which side is in the majority. That you refuse to see that, and instead promote the straw man argument, is telling about how partisan and ill informed you are.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I'll say one good thing: he's dragging the GOP down with him. They will never separate or recover from Trump. He has destroyed them, while making the Dems stronger.

so,
thus far,
we have that this is a cultural war of polarity
with djt as a lucky/unlucky titular.... bystander
or that - at least the boat hasn't sunk
or that mitch is the toilet clog...

still nothing but "circumstance"
to make trump more palatable to detractors?

in other threads, i've posed several "admirable" aspects to this president/presidency.

certainly there are other positions upon which we can find
positive common ground?

 

[cowslinger64]

I doubt it.

Look at CF's post in this thread. She blames McConnell (and by proxy Trump too) for not advancing House passed legislation yet conveniently ignores the fact that the House is sitting on the USMCA treaty with no plans to go forward on it.

Partisan ideology is a failure for everyone because one can always find something to use as a foil against the other side while ignoring the hits one suffers in the fray.

"Berserker" probably comes closest to describing what's going on.

dudly, that's how the system works. If the House passes bills the Senate doesn't like, they don't HAVE to take them up.

It has nothing to do with which side is in the majority. That you refuse to see that, and instead promote the straw man argument, is telling about how partisan and ill informed you are.

Hey dumbass, I specifically shot down your statement. The second of that bit has nothing to do with the first. It's the job of the house to pass bills and the senate to vote on them, yes?


Here's one for the kids, perfect for you.

https://kids-clerk.house.gov/grade-school/lesson.html?intID=17

The Bill Is Voted On

Electronic Voting Machine
There are three methods for voting on a bill in the U.S. House of Representatives:

Viva Voce (voice vote): The Speaker of the House asks the Representatives who support the bill to say “aye” and those that oppose it say “no.”
Division: The Speaker of the House asks those Representatives who support the bill to stand up and be counted, and then those who oppose the bill to stand up and be counted.
Recorded: Representatives record their vote using the electronic voting system. Representatives can vote yes, no, or present (if they don’t want to vote on the bill).
If a majority of the Representatives say or select yes, the bill passes in the U.S. House of Representatives. The bill is then certified by the Clerk of the House and delivered to the U.S. Senate.

The Bill Is Referred to the Senate
When a bill reaches the U.S. Senate, it goes through many of the same steps it went through in the U.S. House of Representatives. The bill is discussed in a Senate committee and then reported to the Senate floor to be voted on.

Senators vote by voice. Those who support the bill say “yea,” and those who oppose it say “nay.” If a majority of the Senators say “yea,” the bill passes in the U.S. Senate and is ready to go to the President.

 

[cleaver]

Not a bystander, a symptom of....

What common ground? The two sides are antithetical to one another.

There is no common ground....no shared values.

without being glib, your position on these matters seems crystal clear.
there is antithesis - right/wrong - good/evil? - certainly a polar universe...

i'm not convinced.
a society needs compromise if society is the beneficiary of any policy.

but that is a far different discussion.

are you saying that trump is negligible
thus, any exercise to make him more palatable is moot?

he is the straw man in your construct...
but certainly not a passive one?

 

[HisArpy]

I'll say one good thing: he's dragging the GOP down with him. They will never separate or recover from Trump. He has destroyed them, while making the Dems stronger.

Based on what metric?

Trump's approval rating is climbing.
White suburban women are increasingly favorable to the R's and Trump.
The percentage of minority voters is increasing favorably to the R's and Trump.
The social chaos of the past few years is finally easing and abating.
The judiciary is finally slow-rolling to the point that Trump is winning in the courts against SJW's.
Consumer confidence is high.
The economy is steaming hot.





So, what metric are you using to determine that Trump has dragged down the GOP and destroyed it? Personal anti-Trump ideology and belief?