Funny, the military, intelligence officials and business leaders believe it

[zipman]

White House officials barred a State Department intelligence agency from submitting written testimony this week to the House Intelligence Committee warning that human-caused climate change could be “possibly catastrophic” after State officials refused to excise the document’s references to the scientific consensus on climate change.

The effort to edit, and ultimately suppress, the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research prepared testimony comes as the Trump administration is debating how best to challenge the idea that the burning of fossil fuels is warming the planet and could pose serious risks unless the world makes deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions over the next decade. Senior military and intelligence officials have continued to warn climate change could undermine America’s national security, a position President Trump rejects.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sibly-catastrophic/ar-AACysAa?ocid=spartanntp

AND

WASHINGTON — Many of the world’s biggest companies, from Silicon Valley tech firms to large European banks, are bracing for the prospect that climate change could substantially affect their bottom lines within the next five years, according to a new analysis of corporate disclosures.

Under pressure from shareholders and regulators, companies are increasingly disclosing the specific financial effects they could face as the planet warms, such as extreme weather that could disrupt their supply chains or stricter climate regulations that could hurt the value of coal, oil and gas investments. Early estimates suggest that trillions of dollars may ultimately be at stake.

Even so, analysts warn that many companies are still lagging in accounting for all of the plausible financial risks from global warming.

http://www.forbesindia.com/article/...tting-bottom-lines-in-next-five-years/53835/1

 

[zipman]

But hey, it goes against what Trump and right wingers believe and what the fossil fuel industry wants you to believe.

 

[butters]

it's this very kind of suppression of scientific information from a government agency paid to provide it for the people that is fuckin' scary

and wrong

it's flat out wrong to do this shit

 

[HisArpy]

it's this very kind of suppression of scientific information from a government agency paid to provide it for the people that is fuckin' scary

and wrong

it's flat out wrong to do this shit

You know what? Screw it, think what you want.

 

[Hal9000_]

Mankind is too insignificant to have any effect on Earth.

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/overview.php

 

[jomar]

Trump was granted permission to build a sea wall to prevent rising sea levels due to global warming from flooding one of his golf courses.

So, more of the same.

 

[Luk]

You know what? Screw it, think what you want.

How white privileged male of him to *allow* a woman to think for herself.

 

[someoneyouknow]

You know what? Screw it, think what you want.

Do you work for the tobacco companies, because this is exactly what they did for decades. Deny, deny, deny, lie. Right up to the moment they admitted they had been suppressing the evidence of the dangers of smoking.

Also:

Exxon knew as far back as 1981 the use of fossil fuels was increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and causing climate change, but continued to fund deniers.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding

Further:

Exxon's own internal studies from 1977 to 2014 were in line with what the experts were saying about climate change at that time. Some 80 percent of the company’s research and internal communications acknowledged that climate change was real and was caused by humans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/climate/exxon-global-warming-science-study.html

Which is more plausible: a company's own internal, independent studies matching what the scientific community was saying about man's contribution to climate change, or all the "experts" on the internet, including the con artist, claiming it's all fake?

And P.S., the con artist himself used climate change as the excuse in his request to build a sea wall around his failing Irish golf course:

“If the predictions of an increase in sea level rise as a result of global warming prove correct, however, it is likely that there will be a corresponding increase in coastal erosion rates not just in Doughmore Bay but around much of the coastline of Ireland,” the statement reads. “In our view, it could reasonably be expected that the rate of sea level rise might become twice of that presently occurring. ... As a result, we would expect the rate of dune recession to increase.”​

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/281026-report-trump-trying-to-build-sea-wall-at-golf-course-to

 

[butters]

How white privileged male of him to *allow* a woman to think for herself.

what's pathetic is that he's speaking to me when i told him i have him on ignore. why do you lot keep quoting these numbnuts? why can't my ignore button override that? /firstworldproblems

i guess he believes if he keeps posting to me i HAVE to be reading him. silly little man

 

[BotanyBoy]

How white privileged male of him to *allow* a woman to think for herself.

Says the privileged white male....

 

[BotanyBoy]

Question....what do you eco-communist expect the US government to do about the pollution that China/India are cranking out into the world???

You folks ready to go kill 3 billion people?

Give up your 1st world life and go live a totally privative lifestyle naked and afraid style??

No?? Then shut the fuck up with your virtue signaling bullshit....

 

[phrodeau]

BotanyBoy sure talks about killing people a lot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

BotanyBoy sure talks about killing people a lot.

Phrodeau sure does deflect from answering the hard questions a lot.....

India and China Phro, what do you expect the USG to do about them??

 

[bbx56]

meanwhile the US is the ONLY industrialized nation on Earth where Carbon emissions are DOWN

so fuck off NIGGERS

 

[bbx56]

GW is a HOAX

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=90877283#post90877283

They all "believe" in it cause its chick

and THATS where the $$ is

 

[phrodeau]

Phrodeau sure does deflect from answering the hard questions a lot.....

India and China Phro, what do you expect the USG to do about them??

There are plenty of options, both carrots and sticks, that don’t involve killing people.

 

[oralaccents]

what's pathetic is that he's speaking to me when i told him i have him on ignore. why do you lot keep quoting these numbnuts? why can't my ignore button override that? /firstworldproblems

i guess he believes if he keeps posting to me i HAVE to be reading him. silly little man

Liar, liar, sweaty grandma panties on smouldering stanky fire.

You read all the posts. Oink.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There are plenty of options, both carrots and sticks, that don’t involve killing people.

Oh PLENTY!!! Sure.

Name some......

 

[InsightRiot]

ok, so we got an end times rapture story here.

what's their plan to fix it? carbon tax?

 

[phrodeau]

Oh PLENTY!!! Sure.

Name some......

A carrot would be providing aid dependent on conditions and goals. A stick would be sanctions. International coalitions have worked to greatly reduce whaling and CFC aerosols, two examples where the US was one of the worst offenders but became one of the strongest advocates.

Is that enough for your ass?

 

[Hal9000_]

Ah...

the old

"THEY ARE DOING IT! ..

So why shouldn't we?"

 

[SalviaDivinorum]

Question....what do you eco-communist expect the US government to do about the pollution that China/India are cranking out into the world???

You folks ready to go kill 3 billion people?

Give up your 1st world life and go live a totally privative lifestyle naked and afraid style??

No?? Then shut the fuck up with your virtue signaling bullshit....

A large part of the emissions that the Chinese and Indians are cranking out, is for products for western consumption that the West used to make but now "outsource". Even Trump merchandise have "Made in China" labels stitched into them.

I would love to see statistics about carbon consumption per capita and country, but if it exists, I haven't found it.
But even the existing stats on carbon emissions per capita and country is telling - if you want to kill people to reduce emissions, the Chinese and Indians are not the most effective way.

But it is possible to reduce carbon emissions but they require personal change as well as changes to our political and financial systems.

All that is an uphill struggle.

 

[zipman]

So to recap, military leaders, intelligence officers and business leaders all acknowledge that climate change is a problem and yet the Trump administration is prohibiting officials from submitting testimony about it because it conflicts with their message of denial.

Because we ask know that not talking about a problem is the first step to solving it.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

So to recap, military leaders, intelligence officers and business leaders all acknowledge that climate change is a problem and yet the Trump administration is prohibiting officials from submitting testimony about it because it conflicts with their message of denial.

Because we ask know that not talking about a problem is the first step to solving it.

What do those three groups have in common?

 

[BotanyBoy]

A carrot would be providing aid dependent on conditions and goals. A stick would be sanctions. International coalitions have worked to greatly reduce whaling and CFC aerosols, two examples where the US was one of the worst offenders but became one of the strongest advocates.

Is that enough for your ass?

1) we don't have money for that carrot.

2) Sanctions? What kind of sanctions?

3) Reduce...but it's clearly not been enough.

A large part of the emissions that the Chinese and Indians are cranking out, is for products for western consumption that the West used to make but now "outsource".

Yes....100% agree.

Even Trump merchandise have "Made in China" labels stitched into them.

Ohhhhhhh that evil TRUMP!!! Just gotta get that TDS in there.

I would love to see statistics about carbon consumption per capita and country, but if it exists, I haven't found it.

It's obvious the 1st world leads even if we have exported most of our pollution to 2nd/3rd world shit holes.

But even the existing stats on carbon emissions per capita and country is telling - if you want to kill people to reduce emissions,

I don't want to kill anyone, but as it stands the only major carbon emissions reduction method we have available currently is a large global population reduction coupled with the remaining population going primitive.

Without getting primitive the population would have to be reduced to some 700 million at most by last estimates I saw.

But it is possible to reduce carbon emissions but they require personal change as well as changes to our political and financial systems.

What kind of political and financial systems?

Let me guess, the totalitarian eco-communist state.....which brings us back to population reduction.

All that is an uphill struggle.

Because the proposed "changes to our political and financial systems" are fucking retarded and don't take into account that the US engaging in cultural and economic suicide still isn't going slow the emissions output of the other 7.2 billion and growing, folks on Earth.