Trump is finally...

[Kantarii]

Who knows. Hillary isn't virgin snow by any means, but I'd be commenting more on her policies than personality. BB wants to think I have TDS, which I don't, but our whole kerfuffle started when I made a passing remark he jumped on so I replied and we were off. But yeah, Trump successfully tapped into vein bubbling below the surface of America so maybe the times chose the man and all.

And so long as the root causes that put Trump in office remain, rest assured, he’ll win re-election. Biden is the front runner, but he represents Obama era politics. The American people rejected that in 2016. The media will have you believe America is deeply divided politically. Let’s say someone is against Trump. Is everything he does bad for that individual? I seriously doubt it. I can’t think of one single American that loves to pay fucking taxes. Who wouldn’t want to keep more of the money they make? I don’t have a problem with paying my fair share - but it’s a problem when I see where my tax dollars are going. That’s just one issue, and each issue is going to have collateral damage.

Fair trade sounds fair to me, but impossible to achieve given the fact America has moved towards more goods and services oriented economy rather than manufacturing.
Tie that in with IP theft and no one standing up to China and that brings about Tariffs. Is there another way to hash out trade deals. Sure, but will it curb China’s imbalance?
The point is, short term pain is usually endured for long term benefits. The bottom line is Trump is playing fast and loose with the rules, running the country like a buisiness. If a business doesn’t grow year after year, if ceases to keep its doors open. So whatever Trump is doing - right or wrong - the economy is roaring, GDP growth is up, unemployment is down, Kim isn’t launching nukes, and the apocalypse hasn’t happened.

So if lying and being a bad guy like Trump is so bad, can you at least agree there is some good?

 

[jomar]

Facts and truth don't care about popularity or widespread ignorance among the "woke" crowd.

Racism has a specific meaning, calling a shit hole a shit hole isn't racist just because the shit hole isn't mostly white.

Not just the woke crowd. Far from it.

Must have not been a very pointy point then.

The Charlottesville thing. You didn't seem to understand my point and wanted it to be something it wasn't.

Haven't seen any and I'm betting you can't cite any either.

Remember, those words mean things and popular misuse of them by the snowflake brigade doesn't make their misuse correct.

I'm not surprised you haven't given your stance. But demonstrating it to you would be an exercise in futility, it seems.

 

[HisArpy]

LOL, I didn't read the abortion thread, but I've definitely seen what you pass off as original thought and logic. And resorting to name calling? Is that worthy of man who sits on the bench?

Suuuure you have. Except you didn't read that/those threads did you?

I know it sounds crazy. but if you don't read my thoughts, how can you deride the quality of the content?

Unless, you aren't capable. In which case it's a lot easier to just parrot the words of others whose political leanings you agree with. That's easy for anyone to do, even if the words of said others aren't truthful.

BTW, the job of the guy who sits in judgement is to MAKE judgements.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not just the woke crowd. Far from it.

Whatever, point still stands, being crude isn't racism just because it's not pointed at white people.

The Charlottesville thing. You didn't seem to understand my point and wanted it to be something it wasn't.

What about it?

I don't want it to be anything and don't think it was anything other than an incident in recent US history where relatively mild political violence took place.

That's it.

Your attempt to use other peoples opinions about it to prove Trumps political/personal beliefs tells me YOU are the one who wanted it to be something it wasn't.

I'm not surprised you haven't given your stance.

On what? I'd gladly share but you're going to have to be specific.

But demonstrating it to you would be an exercise in futility, it seems.

Not if you can show his anti-social behavior or hatred of women it's not.

Now trying to validate the erroneous use of those terms via the popularity of their misuse or that really famous people misused them too? I understand that being offensive and crude is NOT being anti-social and misogynistic. Yea that would be a pretty futile effort, because I know what those words mean and absolutely reject their manipulation by the outrage crowd and smear merchants masquerading as journalist.

 

[jomar]

And so long as the root causes that put Trump in office remain, rest assured, he’ll win re-election. Biden is the front runner, but he represents Obama era politics. The American people rejected that in 2016. The media will have you believe America is deeply divided politically. Let’s say someone is against Trump. Is everything he does bad for that individual? I seriously doubt it. I can’t think of one single American that loves to pay fucking taxes. Who wouldn’t want to keep more of the money they make? I don’t have a problem with paying my fair share - but it’s a problem when I see where my tax dollars are going. That’s just one issue, and each issue is going to have collateral damage.

Fair trade sounds fair to me, but impossible to achieve given the fact America has moved towards more goods and services oriented economy rather than manufacturing.
Tie that in with IP theft and no one standing up to China and that brings about Tariffs. Is there another way to hash out trade deals. Sure, but will it curb China’s imbalance?
The point is, short term pain is usually endured for long term benefits. The bottom line is Trump is playing fast and loose with the rules, running the country like a buisiness. If a business doesn’t grow year after year, if ceases to keep its doors open. So whatever Trump is doing - right or wrong - the economy is roaring, GDP growth is up, unemployment is down, Kim isn’t launching nukes, and the apocalypse hasn’t happened.

So if lying and being a bad guy like Trump is so bad, can you at least agree there is some good?

Yeah, the Dems have a hard road ahead if they want to win. I think America was also tired of beltway politics in general so they WTF and thre a monkey wrench into the system.

TBH, I don't know a lot about the China issue except for reading that in 2012 they got far more aggressive than ever in trying to expand and such. Also read that pretty much all but one economist was for the trade war and Trump took that guys advice. So, don't know what other measures were taken before and we'll see where it goes.

Presidents come and presidents go and the economy is the economy. Even so, presidents do like to take credit when things are good. I do think the economy and markets got a Trump bump given he's business friendly and deregulating things.

I hope Trump isn't running the country like his businesses! But yeah, things are humming along fine for now.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And so long as the root causes that put Trump in office remain, rest assured, he’ll win re-election. Biden is the front runner, but he represents Obama era politics. The American people rejected that in 2016. The media will have you believe America is deeply divided politically. Let’s say someone is against Trump. Is everything he does bad for that individual? I seriously doubt it. I can’t think of one single American that loves to pay fucking taxes. Who wouldn’t want to keep more of the money they make? I don’t have a problem with paying my fair share - but it’s a problem when I see where my tax dollars are going. That’s just one issue, and each issue is going to have collateral damage.

Fair trade sounds fair to me, but impossible to achieve given the fact America has moved towards more goods and services oriented economy rather than manufacturing.
Tie that in with IP theft and no one standing up to China and that brings about Tariffs. Is there another way to hash out trade deals. Sure, but will it curb China’s imbalance?
The point is, short term pain is usually endured for long term benefits. The bottom line is Trump is playing fast and loose with the rules, running the country like a buisiness. If a business doesn’t grow year after year, if ceases to keep its doors open. So whatever Trump is doing - right or wrong - the economy is roaring, GDP growth is up, unemployment is down, Kim isn’t launching nukes, and the apocalypse hasn’t happened.

So if lying and being a bad guy like Trump is so bad, can you at least agree there is some good?

Remind me, what's Trump's record when it comes to running businesses?

 

[cowslinger64]

Remind me, what's Trump's record when it comes to running businesses?

6 bankruptcies so far. He's the greatest businessman EVER.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

6 bankruptcies so far. He's the greatest businessman EVER.

I know you're being sarcastic because Willy Wonka is the greatest businessman ever. He's got slave labor, no government regulations and an indoor boat!

 

[cowslinger64]

I know you're being sarcastic because Willy Wonka is the greatest businessman ever. He's got slave labor, no government regulations and an indoor boat!

Of course.. I'm not one of the orange trainwrecks ball lickers.

 

[jomar]

We must not have enough to do this weekend.

Whatever, point still stands, being crude isn't racism just because it's not pointed at white people.

Crude and racist comments are not mutually exclusive.

What about it?

I don't want it to be anything and don't think it was anything other than an incident in recent US history where relatively mild political violence took place.

That's it.

Your attempt to use other peoples opinions about it to prove Trumps political/personal beliefs tells me YOU are the one who wanted it to be something it wasn't.

It had nothing to do with Trumps political/personal beliefs. You said Trump had nothing to do with Charlottesville. I showed you a link where the alt-right leader said Trump becoming president energized them and there would have ben no rally if he wasn't president. Therefore, Trump had a direct influence on Charlottesville regardless of his political/personal beliefs.

On what? I'd gladly share but you're going to have to be specific.

Not if you can show his anti-social behavior or hatred of women it's not.

Now trying to validate the erroneous use of those terms via the popularity of their misuse or that really famous people misused them too? I understand that being offensive and crude is NOT being anti-social and misogynistic. Yea that would be a pretty futile effort, because I know what those words mean and absolutely reject their manipulation by the outrage crowd and smear merchants masquerading as journalist.

No, I can see where you'd view his belittling/insulting/name calling comments to multiple women as specific incidents, not a pattern reflecting an underlying attitude. Or he's not an misogynist because he may not hate all women, just those that don't behave the way they ought to (this happens with misogynists). Or because he loves women, no one has more respect for women he says, he's even married to one! And so on.

As far as antisocial, that often goes hand in hand with narcissism. And remember when I said Trump just decided not to pay some small business that did work for his and they went out of business? That's antisocial behavior.

 

[jomar]

Suuuure you have. Except you didn't read that/those threads did you?

I know it sounds crazy. but if you don't read my thoughts, how can you deride the quality of the content?

Unless, you aren't capable. In which case it's a lot easier to just parrot the words of others whose political leanings you agree with. That's easy for anyone to do, even if the words of said others aren't truthful.

BTW, the job of the guy who sits in judgement is to MAKE judgements.

I didn't read the abortion thread, whichever one you were in. But that doesn't mean I haven't read any of your posts. I think you and I may have even had some debate exchanges before...unless I'm mis-remembering and it was RightGuide or maybe that Coach dude. Name calling = good, got it.

 

[HisArpy]

I didn't read the abortion thread, whichever one you were in. But that doesn't mean I haven't read any of your posts. I think you and I may have even had some debate exchanges before...unless I'm mis-remembering and it was RightGuide or maybe that Coach dude. Name calling = good, got it.

dudly, this is the GB; le nom du jour est de rigueur.

Please try to keep up.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We must not have enough to do this weekend.

I just spent 6 weeks moving a farm from California to Minnesota after not really recovering from back surgery....I fully intend on sitting on my ass all weekend, napping whenever I feel like it as well as eating and drinking whatever I want.

Crude and racist comments are not mutually exclusive.

Didn't say they were.

It had nothing to do with Trumps political/personal beliefs. You said Trump had nothing to do with Charlottesville. I showed you a link where the alt-right leader said Trump becoming president energized them and there would have ben no rally if he wasn't president. Therefore, Trump had a direct influence on Charlottesville regardless of his political/personal beliefs.

No he didn't. The only people who had a direct influence on Charlottesville were the organizers and the participants.

The closest tie that incident had to Trump was the local PD officers on duty tasked with providing security....literally the very bottom of the executive branch.

To try and link those two WAY past 6 degrees of separation is scrounging for outrage at an advanced TDS level.

No, I can see where you'd view his belittling/insulting/name calling comments to multiple women as specific incidents, not a pattern reflecting an underlying attitude.

I don't think shitting on some women means you hate women.

I think most people know at least a few women they fuckin hate. Doesn't make them misogynist unless they hate them for being women.

Or he's not an misogynist because he may not hate all women, just those that don't behave the way they ought to (this happens with misogynists).

That's not misogyny. You can shit talk specific women or groups of women for specific behaviors and pretty much anything other than being a woman all you want and it's not misogyny.

If you hate some or all women for being women? That is misogyny.

misogyny noun
mi·​sog·​y·​ny | \ mə-ˈsä-jə-nē \
Definition of misogyny
: a hatred of women

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny

As far as antisocial, that often goes hand in hand with narcissism. And remember when I said Trump just decided not to pay some small business that did work for his and they went out of business? That's antisocial behavior.

True that. If he had a problem with products/services rendered he should have settled it in court.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Jomar is conducting Squeal Choir auditions today.

It will be interesting to see who gets the First Soprano Squeal chair...BotBoy or HisArpy.


Too close to call right now.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Jomar is conducting Squeal Choir auditions today.

It will be interesting to see who gets the First Soprano Squeal chair...BotBoy or HisArpy.


Too close to call right now.

Rob's envy of Jomars intellect is dripping off this one.

All Rob can do is talk shit, spread lies and fling racial slurs.

 

[Kantarii]

Yeah, the Dems have a hard road ahead if they want to win. I think America was also tired of beltway politics in general so they WTF and thre a monkey wrench into the system.

TBH, I don't know a lot about the China issue except for reading that in 2012 they got far more aggressive than ever in trying to expand and such. Also read that pretty much all but one economist was for the trade war and Trump took that guys advice. So, don't know what other measures were taken before and we'll see where it goes.

Presidents come and presidents go and the economy is the economy. Even so, presidents do like to take credit when things are good. I do think the economy and markets got a Trump bump given he's business friendly and deregulating things.

I hope Trump isn't running the country like his businesses! But yeah, things are humming along fine for now.

I merely said Trump was running the country like “a” business, not “his” business - which as you said is humming along fine. It’s amazing what a president can do to the economy removing certain things holding it back. However, if Trump doesn’t back off pushing the Fed to lower interest rates, the economy would go into inflation and/or crash. Right now there’s a labor shortage for the amount of jobs in the State of Georgia. This may be an underlying reason for the push on immigration reform. I can’t see it being tied into the pro-life /anti abortion issue to fill available jobs because a baby won’t potentially enter the workforce for 18-19 years.
Anyway, I’m sure Trump has a grand plan to keep the economy rolling through election time and beyond. If the Democrats wanted Trump outta office so bad, they’d go after disrupting his trade deal with China or USMCA. Those two areas would actually put the breaks on the economy.
Nevertheless, 2020 is going to be hard to unseat Trump and with things going well, I’m definitely voting for him again.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I merely said Trump was running the country like “a” business, not “his” business - which as you said is humming along fine.

Moar true than you might imagine. Trump, like most CEOs, cannot look beyond the next quarter's results.

It’s amazing what a president can do to the economy removing certain things holding it back.

Yep, remove pollution controls and remove the social safety net and teh sky is literally the limit. Sure our kids will inherit a mess, but it's not like you love your kids.

However, if Trump doesn’t back off pushing the Fed to lower interest rates, the economy would go into inflation and/or crash.

There is more chance of a Japanese style economic deflation than any meaningful sort of inflation.

Right now there’s a labor shortage for the amount of jobs in the State of Georgia. This may be an underlying reason for the push on immigration reform. I can’t see it being tied into the pro-life /anti abortion issue to fill available jobs because a baby won’t potentially enter the workforce for 18-19 years.

Raising the minimum wage has been shown to work, that, however interferes with the Trump Prime Directive of "maximum short term profits".

Anyway, I’m sure Trump has a grand plan to keep the economy rolling through election time and beyond.

The old "four dimensional chess canard"? Laughable.
Trump has zero capacity for any long range planning beyond his next golf outing.

 

[KeithD]

Yep, remove pollution controls and remove the social safety net and teh sky is literally the limit. Sure our kids will inherit a mess, but it's not like you love your kids.

Do this and the sky is literally falling. Trumpettes are too dumb to understand this and too unthinkingly selfish to care.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Do this and the sky is literally falling. Trumpettes are too dumb to understand this and too unthinkingly selfish to care.

Selfishness is a core Trump value, one he shares with both conservatives and glibertarians here.

 

[phrodeau]

Trump is lifting tariffs on imported steel and aluminum, despite their importance to National Security.

 

[jomar]

I just spent 6 weeks moving a farm from California to Minnesota after not really recovering from back surgery....I fully intend on sitting on my ass all weekend, napping whenever I feel like it as well as eating and drinking whatever I want.

An ortho wanted to cut me once when I was having back pain so in my case I just paid attention to posture and fixed it that way.

No he didn't. The only people who had a direct influence on Charlottesville were the organizers and the participants.

The closest tie that incident had to Trump was the local PD officers on duty tasked with providing security....literally the very bottom of the executive branch.

To try and link those two WAY past 6 degrees of separation is scrounging for outrage at an advanced TDS level.

No TDS, but it's fine if you disagree in the face of what you said and what was presented.

I don't think shitting on some women means you hate women.

I think most people know at least a few women they fuckin hate. Doesn't make them misogynist unless they hate them for being women.

That's not misogyny. You can shit talk specific women or groups of women for specific behaviors and pretty much anything other than being a woman all you want and it's not misogyny.

If you hate some or all women for being women? That is misogyny.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny

I figured you'd go for a strict definition that doesn't allow for subtleties. There is an argument being made the misogyny is not just hatred, but about controlling and punishing women who challenge male dominance.

True that. If he had a problem with products/services rendered he should have settled it in court.

Yep. He didn't even have a problems with them, was just done paying, thought he'd paid enough.

 

[KeithD]

Selfishness is a core Trump value, one he shares with both conservatives and glibertarians here.

I like to think if it more as "unthinking selfishness," because most Trump supporters are shooting themselves in the ass in thinking anything he does is to their benefit. Bunch of particularly dumb sheep.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I like to think if it more as "unthinking selfishness," because most Trump supporters are shooting themselves in the ass in thinking anything he does is to their benefit. Bunch of particularly dumb sheep.

I've said this before, but Trump supporters would gladly allow Trump to burn down their house or trailer (or teepee) if they thought the resulting smoke would make libruls cough for a few minutes.

 

[jomar]

I merely said Trump was running the country like “a” business, not “his” business - which as you said is humming along fine. It’s amazing what a president can do to the economy removing certain things holding it back. However, if Trump doesn’t back off pushing the Fed to lower interest rates, the economy would go into inflation and/or crash. Right now there’s a labor shortage for the amount of jobs in the State of Georgia. This may be an underlying reason for the push on immigration reform. I can’t see it being tied into the pro-life /anti abortion issue to fill available jobs because a baby won’t potentially enter the workforce for 18-19 years.
Anyway, I’m sure Trump has a grand plan to keep the economy rolling through election time and beyond. If the Democrats wanted Trump outta office so bad, they’d go after disrupting his trade deal with China or USMCA. Those two areas would actually put the breaks on the economy.
Nevertheless, 2020 is going to be hard to unseat Trump and with things going well, I’m definitely voting for him again.

The economy is mostly the economy and largely a carry over from the Obama years (including programs and incentives in place to bring back companies/jobs from other countries). Trump's bumped it some, but he hasn't supercharged it. And some of his deregulations and rollbacks may come back to haunt us.

I don't think Trump has any sort of grand plan. He didn't even think he was going to be president, he had zero transition team in place.

If the Dems don't get it together it's a real possibility.

 

[Rightguide]

The economy is mostly the economy and largely a carry over from the Obama years

You're fucking nuts.