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There would be no Constitution or separation of powers either.
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There would be no Constitution or separation of powers either.
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Constitutional Crisis As Absurdist Theater
By THE EDITORS
May 9, 2019 9:15 AM
Jerry Nadler has declared a constitutional crisis.
The proximate cause is a couple of redacted lines, including one footnote, in a 400-page report. Let’s be glad for the sake of the republic that an entire page wasn’t withheld.
To review the plot: Robert Mueller conducted what was in effect an impeachment inquiry from within the executive branch for two years. In defiance of the spirit of the special-counsel regulations, he wrote a long, detailed narrative account of what his investigation found, even though he didn’t accuse the president of a crime (he did, however, “not exonerate” the president on obstruction, a bastard concept hitherto unknown to American law).
Nothing in the regulations required Attorney General Bill Barr to release any of the report, let alone release it in its entirety. He did anyway with minimal, entirely defensible redactions that the DOJ worked through with Mueller. He then testified for hours in public before a Senate committee about his handling of the report, while declining to appear for more voluntary testimony before a House committee the next day over a process issue (the committee wanted a counsel to question Barr; the attorney general objected, likely because he didn’t like the optics).
Collectively, then, and often working at cross-purposes, the Trump administration has done Congress an enormous favor the last two years. It appointed a special counsel; not only let him finish his work, but cooperated with him (despite Trump’s ineffectual scheming against the investigation); didn’t object to his writing a narrative for public and especially congressional consumption; and with only a brief delay handed the full report, signed, sealed, and delivered, over to Congress to potentially to use as a roadmap for impeachment. (And, oh yeah, the report has been published as a book and is being sold on Amazon.) Most of Jerry Nadler’s work has been done for him.
Rest here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/constitutional-crisis-as-absurdist-theater/
By THE EDITORS
May 9, 2019 9:15 AM
Jerry Nadler has declared a constitutional crisis.
The proximate cause is a couple of redacted lines, including one footnote, in a 400-page report. Let’s be glad for the sake of the republic that an entire page wasn’t withheld.
To review the plot: Robert Mueller conducted what was in effect an impeachment inquiry from within the executive branch for two years. In defiance of the spirit of the special-counsel regulations, he wrote a long, detailed narrative account of what his investigation found, even though he didn’t accuse the president of a crime (he did, however, “not exonerate” the president on obstruction, a bastard concept hitherto unknown to American law).
Nothing in the regulations required Attorney General Bill Barr to release any of the report, let alone release it in its entirety. He did anyway with minimal, entirely defensible redactions that the DOJ worked through with Mueller. He then testified for hours in public before a Senate committee about his handling of the report, while declining to appear for more voluntary testimony before a House committee the next day over a process issue (the committee wanted a counsel to question Barr; the attorney general objected, likely because he didn’t like the optics).
Collectively, then, and often working at cross-purposes, the Trump administration has done Congress an enormous favor the last two years. It appointed a special counsel; not only let him finish his work, but cooperated with him (despite Trump’s ineffectual scheming against the investigation); didn’t object to his writing a narrative for public and especially congressional consumption; and with only a brief delay handed the full report, signed, sealed, and delivered, over to Congress to potentially to use as a roadmap for impeachment. (And, oh yeah, the report has been published as a book and is being sold on Amazon.) Most of Jerry Nadler’s work has been done for him.
Rest here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/constitutional-crisis-as-absurdist-theater/
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and then we'd live in an Authoritarian state, which would be Nirvana to goosestepping "Good Germans" such as yourself. Heil Trump! Heil Victory!
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Fuck off, Texas Turd. Get back and lay down on the prairie like a good pile.
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I seem to remember reading that this was YOUR idea in the first place.
Or are you now trying to say you didn't propose doing away with the separation of powers, abolishing Constitutional Rights, and prefer nonjudicial execution in it's place as a means of opposing tyranny in the name of freedom?
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Please don't ascribe positions to me.
That's Que's job, and he gets very upset when someone else encroaches on "his" territory.
Needless to say, I've never advocated any of the opinions you ascribed to me above. I won't ask for an apology, though, as everyone knows your virtual spine is as weak as BotanyBoy's physical spine.
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About 500 attorneys disagree with you. And they are from both parties.
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on this, you are incorrect.
the system is gamed almost every day with a carefully
politically crafted party line of... blue smoke (red smoke actually)
that comes from the wh and senate leadership...
the narrative is disciplined, trigger laden and almost always at abstract to the issues of the day.
the current line is:
its's over...
obama's people started this - we're coming after them
no collusion - no obstruction
it's over
it's over
mueller hates trump - hired only democrats
mueller loved comey - comey bad
it's over
it's over
it's over
and on this, the executive branch people involved are now covered by exec priv.
and...
btw... we know it's all because you hate trump.
the narrative is not illegal.
it is actually brilliant in keeping the opposition frothing and rabid;
unfocused on what they actually want
access to the still active ancillary of the mueller investigation
and mueller himself.
the wh has gamed the system by
using all tools of the office to politically skew
the narrative away from the last meat on the bone.
let us suppose that there is nothing there in the redacted areas
and that the wh is well aware that there is nothing there...
then this is politics alone... a misdirection designed
to keep the dogs barking at... nothing
then, this political theatre is antithetical to the oversight that congress has
and a great waste of government energies and focus
in service to the office holder and his campaign
instead of to the office, the branches and the people.
if there is something in the redacted areas...
something to mueller's testimony
something that goes to trump...
then...
this political narrative theatre is certainly political obstruction
perhaps something more actionable...
the gaming is to keep the dogs barking as frothilly and rabidly
at locked doors for as long as possible
whereas...
letting an unfettered, unbound mueller give testimony asap,
puts this issue efficiently to bed.
the political theatre serves the incumbent candidate only
not the office.
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You and the Democrats have nothing but fantasy, it's over.
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Small number out of 10,000 former federal prosecutors still living.
Whatever. Trump...good! Yay! Most truthful president ever.
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I've yet to see a Trump fuckup that NotVetteman couldn't rationalize away somehow.
"Trump was actually doing his lovely wife Melania a favor by having sex with Stormy Daniels three days after Melania gave birth. Many people don't realize this, but a woman needs to time to recover post-childbirth. Some women even require stitches "down there". Trump was simply giving Melania badly needed time to rest and recover."
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LOL...such a classy man.
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Is that what I said? No. I simply pointed out that 500 is only a small minority of former federal prosecutors. Many of those 500 probably believe in UFOs too.
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ok. this is, except for the bellicose(and i know bellicosity personally)
a reasonable position.
yet, even dismissing the steele bit,
there certainly were enough...
"looks like a ducks" in the trump background
and campaign re russia
to...
raise some.... (haha) red flags within that bureaucracy...
the fbi, cia, doj et al are in place precisely to investigate such indicators...
the allegation is that these apparatus exceeded their authority...
deeeep state (against me/trump)
which... may have some truth to it
but which... currently plays much better as noisy choreographed narrative
iced with...
we're going to expose it
we're coming after you
to de-legitimize the original interest in/investigation of trump and his campaign
because alleged bad faith actors were involved...
doesn't pass the duck test.
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If might not pass that test. IF there were any actual ducks that is.
The FBI/et al are "the premier" law enforcement/investigative agencies in the world. And they couldn't figure out that the evidence was faked at first glance? Unless they were the ones producing said evidence.
Which we now suspect is the way it happened.
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ok.
dismiss manafort and his russian entanglements
dismiss trump tower moscow project
dismiss miss universe moscow
dismiss the shakey banking practices
dismiss roger stone, carter page, michael flynn
all part of the publicly available record as the campaign began...
plenty of ducks.
here is a chart
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i tried to forestall the constipation
with a call for civility in the op...
it may just have been palliative care though...
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Well, since it's "Constipational" it's probably safe to bring up without everyone donning hazmat protective gear.
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But nothing to do with Trump or his campaign.
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the denial is strong in that one
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