People, Politics is Retail

[SpeareChucker]

I'm not talking high-end or niche retail here, I'm talking box-store volume retail or similar setting, and for the purposes of this (hopefully) conversation, the merchandising of big-ticket items, not local farmer's market produce...



Let's say that you are selling automobiles or large appliances, the kinds of things that people expect to hold on to for, let's say, eight years (and you want their continued repeat business when the new models hit the showroom floor).

One of the immediate ways to cut down on sales is to 'judge the book by the cover.'
So maybe they're wearing a Yankees jersey and you're a Mets fan, you put that behind you. Maybe they're wearing sandals with socks and you wouldn't be caught dead in white after Labor Day. You overlook that. Maybe they're wearing a MAGA hat and it clashes with your Hope and Change teeshirt preference, but you don't immediately show them the door. Their money is always the same color as yours.

Another thing you can't do is tell the customer, this is the car for you (e.g., Chevy/domestic); you'd have to be a moron to even be looking at that model (e.g., Ford/import). You never make your product look better by attacking another product. It might be what their father drove and they have a soft spot for it.

If a customer comes in and says, I like that microwave, it says 'popcorn' in really large letters, you don't tell them exactly how ignorant they are because even though it doesn't say it in big bold letters, the model next to it also has a popcorn setting, in addition to even more settings at a comparative cost. You try to politely explain the choices before them. You don't second-guess their choice of color, you don't politely ask them to try the store down the street.

Yet somehow, with so many, we're willing to make that mistake when it comes to supporting a party and candidate.

You don't agree with us on policy. We don't want your vote. You're stupid.
You don't have the same education. We don't want your vote. You're an idiot.
You chose one of 'those' career paths. We don't want you vote. You're lower caste.
You simply will not adopt our ideas of morality. We don't want your vote. You're a hater.


HEY! WAIT A SECOND STUPID! WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU VOTE FOR US?
DON'T YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOTHING BUT YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART???

 

[Wat_Tyler]

 

[SpeareChucker]

He's been bantering with busybody again.

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[Saint Peter]

Does this microwave come in origin?

 

[bellisarius]

Following the spirit of the thread I offer this;

Retail Legislation.

Which begs the question, "Exactly what are these 'retail legislators' doing with their time and our money?"

 

[SpeareChucker]

For how long have I talked about how great it is for the rich and powerful to have government power concentrated in one place where they can purchase indulgences and write legislation designed, in the minds of the voter, to protect the voter from the rich and powerful that actually turns out to be regulatory protection from competition for the rich and powerful.

This is why the political battles are so vicious.
When you lose, you don't get to impose the whims/goals of your rich and powerful on the other 'brand/model.'

 

[bellisarius]

You haven't been the only one addressing the issue.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Yeah, but I was the one who actually sprung for a stamp.
So what if it was a tramp stamp?

 

[Saint Peter]

Did you buy a political lemon?

No refunds.



Definitely no returns.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Politics is not Wal-Mart, thank goodness. Advertisers compare their products to others all of the time. This is why ours is better. Ours is better.

https://youtu.be/VohEkWMkbsI

https://youtu.be/zEMl2h1qHLA

https://youtu.be/ci2D1ig4df4

Not to mention the fact that you spew libtard and, just like this thread, Bash liberal people and policies ad nauseam.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Following the spirit of the thread I offer this;

Retail Legislation.

Which begs the question, "Exactly what are these 'retail legislators' doing with their time and our money?"

This is equally as funny. So you post this because you agree that folks like the Koch brothers shouldn’t be allowed to influence politicians with money, then pass thier ALEC dreams of no regulations before them?

I agree. These things are bad.

•Models are drafted with deceptive titles and descriptions to disguise their true intent. The Asbestos Transparency Act didn’t help people exposed to asbestos. It was written by corporations who wanted to make it harder for victims to recoup money. The “HOPE Act,” introduced in nine states, was written by a conservative advocacy group to make it more difficult for people to get food stamps.

•Special interests sometimes work to create the illusion of expert endorsements, public consensus or grassroots support. One man testified as an expert in 13 states to support a bill that makes it more difficult to sue for asbestos exposure. In several states, lawmakers weren’t told that he was a member of the organization that wrote the model legislation on behalf of the asbestos industry, the American Legislative Exchange Council.

•Industry groups have had extraordinary success pushing copycat bills that benefit themselves. More than 4,000 such measures were introduced during the period analyzed by USA TODAY/Arizona Republic. One that passed in Wisconsin limited pain-and-suffering compensation for injured nursing-home residents, restricting payouts to lost wages, which the elderly residents don’t have.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You purposely (hopefully*) miss the point made.

I never said you don't talk up a product, in fact, I did, I said you don't badmouth another brand.
"You try to politely explain the choices before them."

You also are making a comparison between shelf product (sans salesperson) and big ticket items.

But, I do undestand where you are coming from, which is why I made this thread for you and those just like you who come in every day, in thread after thread after thread, with that one never-ending message and 2020 "sales pitch" for you choice in big ticket item...




* back to post #1

 

[Aglaopheme]

I believe that choosing a president holds more weight than picking a product off the shelf at Wal-Mart. It is a big ticket item and comparisons are warranted.


You’re missing the point as you try to project this onto only one party. All one has to do is look at how Trump campaigned. You are not trying to claim that the right never runs political attack ads? The right never trashed Dems? Never trashed Hillary or the people that supported her? You never use the term libtard? You are not here day after day saying....Ha this exact thread proves my point.


It would be ideal if all people were civil and attack ads were banned. I’m not holding
my breath.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Yes, you really do miss the point.


Candidates are 'marketed' just like any big ticket item.
The problem right now is people who wish to make a sale but seem to be bound and determined to severely limit the number of buyers they market to and the hostility they exhibit to buyers (voters) that they clearly do not want to "sell" their candidate(s) to.

Instead of selling everyone on your product, all you do is to try and tell people how fucking stupid they are if they don't purchase your bill of goods. It didn't work in 2016 and I doubt if it will work in 2020.

With all of the effort, all of the nastiness and all of the hate directed at Trump voters his approval ratings would be in the low 30s if it were an effective marketing tool. When the Democrat Party started turning on the Blue-collar and rural voter, and this began in the Obama years, then they (you) alienated people who used to purchase your product.

 

[SpeareChucker]

PS - Trump really is outside of the Republican Party. There are those there (like the thwarted Bush Dynasty and the NRO crowd) who dislike the guy with the same vehemence that you do.

The people who voted "for" Trump, were, I think, actually voting against the elite attitudes of both parties and the willingness of all "mainstream" candidates to piss down their backs and assure them that it was a warm, gentle rain that they should enjoy.

The problem here, at Lit especially, is that there is a line which should not be crossed between attack ads and attack posting.

I get that you hate Trump.
Boy, do I ever get that; in spades even.
However you allow your hate to be that which people see and it helps solidify opinion.
With a lot of people here, you're jake, right on point, and they feel the same way and applaud you.

For probably just as many people, you are the daily justification of why they didn't vote for you last time and why they're not going to vote for you this time; your efforts to tarnish and denigrate Trump have become so vitriolic and over-the-top that it paints a very ugly picture of who you are and what your polity represents and that's not going to attract, but repel, people to your big ticket item.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Right, that is the way to do it correctly. You guys are hateful and nasty!

 

[Saint Peter]

The people who voted "for" Trump, were, I think,

AJ is the phoniest of all fucks. Supporting trump at every turn in the road. Attempting to wash the blood off of his hands just around the bend.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Right, that is the way to do it correctly. You guys are hateful and nasty!

Oh, I am?

Would not the OP have been a tad bit different had "you guys" started it?

Would Deplorable or Trumpette appeared by the third sentence? fourth? First?

 

[Aglaopheme]

I totally get it. You don’t want to have an actual civil discussion. You want to tell me what I don’t understand and how I feel. You are doing exactly what you say some Democrats.

I happen to agree with some of your points, I just see it happening on both sides. Perhaps an actual discussion would ensue if you saw that as well, rather than posting yet another thread about how only the hate filled, angry Dems need to treat people more respectfully.

 

[SpeareChucker]

I've been vey civil.

In my opening comments I never said it was one side specifically, now did I?

I will admit that the thread was inspired by those whom base every conversation, sooner, or later, on Trump and the ascriptions they love to employ when encountering opposing viewpoints.

 

[RobDownSouth]

AJ is the phoniest of all fucks. Supporting trump at every turn in the road. Attempting to wash the blood off of his hands just around the bend.

It's his Standard Operating Procedure. He makes a big deal out of claiming he NEVER supports the Republican candidate (McCain, Romney, Trump) because they aren't radical enough. He always votes for the looney tunes libertarian candidate.

He thinks this gives him carte blanche to criticize Democrats for sins both real and imagined, and to succor Trump and his merry band of hatemongers.

It's a disingenious deflection at best. Having said that, he's still above the second-tier numpties like BotanyBoy and Que who are on here ranting about political issues daily but couldn't be bothered to, you know, actually vote.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Also, short of busybody, I don't think there is near the name-calling on the part of people referred to as Trumpettes and monikers of a similar nature.

But from your side of the aisle, we do get that and I think your attempt here to mitigate it with the "both sides do it" defense is actually you condoning the uncivil rhetoric that emanates from the dedicated anti-Trump contingent (perhaps yourself included?). I only asked that some of you consider how you are packaging your political message. Far be it for me to give advice and woe to the person(s) who might reflect upon that advice; the battle lines are drawn and if you're not with us, you're against us.

I understand that you cannot be seen to waver.
You run with a vicious, unforgiving crowd.

 

[Aglaopheme]

I've been vey civil.

In my opening comments I never said it was one side specifically, now did I?

I will admit that the thread was inspired by those whom base every conversation, sooner, or later, on Trump and the ascriptions they love to employ when encountering opposing viewpoints.

I’m not saying you weren’t. I know you are capable of having a discussion. I have no problem with what inspired your thread, only with the fact that you ignored what I said about Republicans being just as quilty, while insulting Democrats. You
Literally were doing what you started this thread to complain about.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm not talking high-end or niche retail here, I'm talking box-store volume retail or similar setting, and for the purposes of this (hopefully) conversation, the merchandising of big-ticket items, not local farmer's market produce...



HEY! WAIT A SECOND STUPID! WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU VOTE FOR US?
DON'T YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOTHING BUT YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART???[/I]

Yeap.....

(D) Campaign: "Fuck white people, fuck men and especially fuck anyone who isn't down for the totalitarian ethno-socialist state!!!"

(D)'s post election: I can't believe all those Nazis in Dumbfuckistan didn't vote for us!! How dare they!! They just don't know what's good for themselves.



Not even the slightest inclination of introspection on why they couldn't even get white women to vote for their white girl, so we're tripling down on 2020.

Politics is not Wal-Mart, thank goodness.

But it's still a sale.

Not to mention the fact that you spew libtard and, just like this thread, Bash liberal people and policies ad nauseam.

Because they aren't liberals anymore, they are ethnocentric authoritarians...and as such deserve to be bashed along with their ant-American policies, ad nauseam, until they stop with their racism and authoritarianism.

I agree. These things are bad.

Why are those things bad?

You’re missing the point as you try to project this onto only one party.

Only one party is calling the voters they need to win a bunch of dumb racist pieces of shit who they PROMISE to make pay for the sins of their race and expecting to win.

And it's not the (R)'s.

All one has to do is look at how Trump campaigned.

Yea...if you want to compare an apple to a Buick.

 

[SpeareChucker]

On the campaign level, yes both sides...


Here? Not so much. One side is clearly more hateful and all I've done is ask them to consider, "Who am I winning over?" and "How many have I driven off?"

Don't we have a monthly, "Lit is no longer fun" thread?
There are no open lines of communication and no real chance at having a discussion with people who hate you for not sufficiently hating Trump. People who quickly go to the accusation of you supported him. People so willing to say, you voted for this monster, you, too are a monster.

Hell, I voted to chill with the pothead.
I don't like the marketing of either side, but I'll take the eyer C&P types over the unmitigated and unrestrained hatred of so-called adults who didn't get their way and have been throwing a two-year long temper tantrum.