will the Uk gov give the people a new brexit referendum?

[butters]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/24/intl_business/richard-branson-new-brexit-vote/

things are falling apart and the pm should have ALL options open

"The truth is that the people's views are never static. They evolve. And they can change. I am not alone in feeling many UK people have changed their minds," he wrote. "The UK Government must now put all options on the table, and giving the people a final say must be one of these options."

Branson's blog post went up on Friday, the day before hundreds of thousands of marchers filled the streets of London calling for a new vote. So far Prime Minister Theresa May has flatly rejected the idea of a new vote. But on Sunday Chancellor Philip Hammond, one of her most senior Cabinet ministers, said that the idea of a new vote was a "coherent proposition" that deserves consideration, although he said he doubted it could get a majority of votes in Parliament.

Like many business leaders in the United Kingdom, Branson has been a long-time opponent of Brexit. Before the original vote he called the idea of Brexit "pretty catastrophic for long-term future of Great Britain" and a "financial disaster."

"Nearly three years after the 2016 referendum, that evidence tells us that few, if any, of the original assumptions about leaving the EU were correct," he wrote. "Thousands of jobs in Britain have been lost already, with many more redundancies [job cuts] on the horizon as manufacturers react to the looming threat of tariffs and supply chain disruptions. More than a trillion pounds in assets are being moved to Dublin, Frankfurt, Paris, and other European cities as financial institutions begin to execute their contingency plans."

 

[Sean]

Nope. No majority in the House for it. There again, there's no majority for anything else either. I see us crashing out on 12th April.

 

[Matthew Craig]

The UK is a total nanny state already, why are they even allowed to vote still?

 

[DMBFFF]

" ..., You made your bed, you better lie in it. You choose you leaders that waste your trust ...,"

 

[Dribble]

Nope. No majority in the House for it. There again, there's no majority for anything else either. I see us crashing out on 12th April.

I think you are right. And I see both Scotland and Northern Ireland starting the process of cessation

 

[DeYaKen]

It won't matter if they do. Whichever side loses the vote will not accept the result. Those that wanted to leave never accepted the result in 1975 despite a 66 to 34 majority. They said that people didn't know what they were voting for. (sound familiar?)

If the vote goes to leave again the remain side will not accept it. if it goes to remain the leavers will not accept it. It's strange how Nigel Farage said before the referendum that anything less than sixty/ forty would not be conclusive. After the result fifty one point seven against forty-eight point three was suddenly an overwhelming majority. If we stay in the EU we have to look forward to another fifty years of agro from those with vested interests elsewhere. If we leave we have to listen to all those who are hit by losses of business whining about how they were deceived. It's a lose, lose situation.

 

[Salacious_B_Crumb]

We don't get a do over for Trump so they don't get one for Brexit. Life's a bitch and you live with the consequences of your actions.

 

[Wrong Element]

We don't get a do over for Trump so they don't get one for Brexit. Life's a bitch and you live with the consequences of your actions.

Yeah, but presidents have fixed terms. With Brexit turning out to be a massive clusterfuck (not that this couldn't have been foreseen), I don't understand the thinking that a democracy can't change its collective mind about something. The U.S. imposed Prohibition, and then it repealed Prohibition.

What I think Trump and Brexit do have in common is that some folks will perhaps now realize that real life isn't a TV show, and that indulgent temper tantrums are for children, not for the ballot box.

 

[Sean]

Yeah, but presidents have fixed terms. With Brexit turning out to be a massive clusterfuck (not that this couldn't have been foreseen), I don't understand the thinking that a democracy can't change its collective mind about something. The U.S. imposed Prohibition, and then it repealed Prohibition.

What I think Trump and Brexit do have in common is that some folks will perhaps now realize that real life isn't a TV show, and that indulgent temper tantrums are for children, not for the ballot box.

The only people that don't want a second referendum are hard core leavers. Because they know they'd lose a second vote. And May is beholden to the far right fuckwits and the DUP to keep her job.

 

[CherryBosom]

I can't see it happening. Almost the entire parliament (not just government) has behaved like a group of 4 yr olds, being more interested in what is good for themselves, not the UK.

The whole thing has been fucked up from the start. Not because leavers won, but because of people weren't truly informed of either side of consequences. We voted quite blindly.
If there's a new referendum, it will imo still cause outrage. If leavers win again then it must be done with some sort of protection plan for us. But if remainers win, then the anger from those who won the original vote is likely to cause civil unrest/riots anyway. If article 50 is revoked without a referendum then yeah, democracy is truly dead here.

I look at the Paris riots, and can't help but feel that we're heading that way.

 

[MutualMan]

I can't see it happening. Almost the entire parliament (not just government) has behaved like a group of 4 yr olds, being more interested in what is good for themselves, not the UK.

The whole thing has been fucked up from the start. Not because leavers won, but because of people weren't truly informed of either side of consequences. We voted quite blindly.
If there's a new referendum, it will imo still cause outrage. If leavers win again then it must be done with some sort of protection plan for us. But if remainers win, then the anger from those who won the original vote is likely to cause civil unrest/riots anyway. If article 50 is revoked without a referendum then yeah, democracy is truly dead here.

I look at the Paris riots, and can't help but feel that we're heading that way.

We live in very strange times, it seems that whatever happens the UK will be continuing through some pretty rough times.

 

[sperling]

We live in very strange times, it seems that whatever happens the UK will be continuing through some pretty rough times.

It's not just the UK,
it's Europe,
the eastern world, Russia and its satellites,
both Americas -

Hey, the world will be continuing some pretty rough times, doesn't it?

 

[MutualMan]

It's not just the UK,
it's Europe,
the eastern world, Russia and its satellites,
both Americas -

Hey, the world will be continuing some pretty rough times, doesn't it?

Yes, sorry, I was being very parochial then, just mentioning UK, I totally agree with you.

 

[Sean]

I can't see it happening. Almost the entire parliament (not just government) has behaved like a group of 4 yr olds, being more interested in what is good for themselves, not the UK.

The whole thing has been fucked up from the start. Not because leavers won, but because of people weren't truly informed of either side of consequences. We voted quite blindly.
If there's a new referendum, it will imo still cause outrage. If leavers win again then it must be done with some sort of protection plan for us. But if remainers win, then the anger from those who won the original vote is likely to cause civil unrest/riots anyway. If article 50 is revoked without a referendum then yeah, democracy is truly dead here.

I look at the Paris riots, and can't help but feel that we're heading that way.

Please. These fuckwits couldn't even organise more than a hundred people for their "epic" Brexit march.

 

[CherryBosom]

It's not just the UK,
it's Europe,
the eastern world, Russia and its satellites,
both Americas -

Hey, the world will be continuing some pretty rough times, doesn't it?

I know that this is how the world works, but I must admit that this is the first time in my own life-time that I fear for my own country. Maybe I've been living in cuckoo land but I've never experienced such an intense feeling of civil unrest in my home country before.

There'll always be rough times for everyone, sure. And for some countries the UK problems don't even compare. But it's on my doorstep now, not on a tv screen during a News report.

 

[CherryBosom]

Please. These fuckwits couldn't even organise more than a hundred people for their "epic" Brexit march.

Lol, true. But they've got May who is committed to delivering the voted decision, regardless. She's COMMITTED to giving the people what the people want.

(saying that in a gritted way).

 

[With_David_Bowie]

It used to be that australia was the example ov a stable govt, then that all went to shit, but the people who wanted to uset it for comparison had it seem alright

 

[With_David_Bowie]

It used to be that australia was the example ov a stable govt, then that all went to shit, but the people who wanted to uset it for comparison had it seem alright

And sadly, it is.

US isnt worht talking about Australia is terrible, but Brexit I mean, um the discussion.. I understand entirely why big business has given up (i know its shit, but at least I know where to pay taxes next year

 

[MutualMan]

I know that this is how the world works, but I must admit that this is the first time in my own life-time that I fear for my own country. Maybe I've been living in cuckoo land but I've never experienced such an intense feeling of civil unrest in my home country before.

There'll always be rough times for everyone, sure. And for some countries the UK problems don't even compare. But it's on my doorstep now, not on a tv screen during a News report.

It feels very real doesn't it, threatening, layer upon layer of uncertainty, and so many politicians repeating the same mantra about the referendum, as though people can't, or should not be allowed, to return to the question in the light of experience and greater information.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Didn't like how democracy worked out?

Have more elections until you get the "correct" results!!

LOL British "democracy" ....what a fucking joke.

 

[HisArpy]

Didn't like how democracy worked out?

Have more elections until you get the "correct" results!!

LOL British "democracy" ....what a fucking joke.

Brexit is the perfect illustration on how special interests have fractured society. Once a society is split into factions, neither side will bow to the will of the other. What happens is that there are not enough supporters on either side to create any unified path forward as a societal body.

It's all "my way or the highway". Which translates into "no way Jose".

 

[CherryBosom]

It feels very real doesn't it, threatening, layer upon layer of uncertainty, and so many politicians repeating the same mantra about the referendum, as though people can't, or should not be allowed, to return to the question in the light of experience and greater information.

I think a lot of people would have accepted the original outcome if it had been dealt with properly! From what I can see, only the die-hard brexiteers are eager to crash out/walk away.


(As a side note - I saw Gove is favourite to replace May, and my blood ran cold. May might be pretty useless, but Gove is a megalomaniac. Sigh.)

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nope. No majority in the House for it. There again, there's no majority for anything else either. I see us crashing out on 12th April.

Can't have your officials abiding by the people....the UK is the EU's cash cow didn't you know??

The UK is a total nanny state already, why are they even allowed to vote still?

They shouldn't be, just look at the "progressive" folks here.

Yeah, but presidents have fixed terms. With Brexit turning out to be a massive clusterfuck (not that this couldn't have been foreseen), I don't understand the thinking that a democracy can't change its collective mind about something. The U.S. imposed Prohibition, and then it repealed Prohibition.

Except the UK never got to making it's own choice......their spineless politicians are listening to the EU over their own people.

We don't get a do over for Trump so they don't get one for Brexit.

It's even more basic than that.

The question is one of the UK still the UK or are they the EU's bitch??

The only people that don't want a second referendum are hard core leavers. Because they know they'd lose a second vote. And May is beholden to the far right fuckwits and the DUP to keep her job.

Because they've already won and having more votes until the "correct" results show is Chinese and North Korean level democracy.

Maybe you guys should round up all the people who want their national sovereignty and money back and send them to "re-education" camps? That will fix your clearly incorrect democracy.

 

[CherryBosom]

Didn't like how democracy worked out?

Have more elections until you get the "correct" results!!

LOL British "democracy" ....what a fucking joke.

A hell of a lot has happened during the past two years, a lot of truths have come out. It was badly approached from the start. The original vote was far too simple: leave or remain. We had no voice on how (deal, no deal etc).

Brexit is the perfect illustration on how special interests have fractured society. Once a society is split into factions, neither side will bow to the will of the other. What happens is that there are not enough supporters on either side to create any unified path forward as a societal body.

It's all "my way or the highway". Which translates into "no way Jose".

Well put.

 

[BotanyBoy]

A hell of a lot has happened during the past two years, a lot of truths have come out.

Yea...like the truth is the UK is the EU's bitch, their ATM and cash cow.

It was badly approached from the start. The original vote was far too simple: leave or remain. We had no voice on how (deal, no deal etc).

That's as complex as it needs to be.

You don't need a "deal" (EU approval and leaving under EU approved conditions with EU fees and fines so they can continue to milk every pound they can.) the only thing you needed to do is give the EU the finger.

But being the good EU subjects you are, that's just not going to happen now is it??