Mass shootings in New Zealand mosques

[DirtyLittleWar]

I do, what's that got to do with anything?

You’re a parent, yet you can make light of innocent people being killed — while at prayer or during any peaceful act.

I hope that, if someone made light in that manner when it came to your children, you’d have a dramatically different response. Something less ghoulish.

 

[KimGordon67]

Sure it matters. If you became one because you were required by a militant faction as opposed to being born of the religion.

Good grief. Seriously?

 

[KimGordon67]

You’re a parent, yet you can make light of innocent people being killed — while at prayer or during any peaceful act.

I hope that, if someone made light in that manner when it came to your children, you’d have a dramatically different response. Something less ghoulish.

Put him on ignore. Honestly, it makes life in here much more pleasant.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You’re a parent, yet you can make light of innocent people being killed — while at prayer or during any peaceful act.

Innocent people get killed all over every day while doing all sorts of peaceful acts.

China is running muslim extermination camps full steam!! Have been for a while....everyone ignores it because communism is WONDERFUL PROGRESS!!! And we want our cheap shit.

How many people did ISIS or Hammas kill today???

I wonder how many innocent women were raped, beaten and butched in Sudan today....Somalia.....Syria....Afghanistan....Iraq...Iran....Saudi Arabia.

Nobody here is QQ'ing about any of that shit.

I hope that, if someone made light in that manner when it came to your children, you’d have a dramatically different response. Something less ghoulish.

Whatever...shit talkers gonna talk shit, bottom line is any of us can get the lights turned off at any moment.

Once you accept that fact and realize we're all almost guaranteed to die in agony including our loved ones and we'll all just be lucky if it's fast, then you might as well have a good laugh about it bubba because the Earth is gonna keep right on ah' spinnin.

Drunk driver...gunned down....cancer...blown up....smashed in a factory....whatever.

https://i.imgur.com/vUMdLi1l.png

 

[BotanyBoy]

Put him on ignore. Honestly, it makes life in here much more pleasant.

Yes go hide in the iggy bubble echo chamber where you don't have to hear any different thoughts or alternate views....like Kim.

 

[Rotadom]

Yes go hide in the iggy bubble echo chamber where you don't have to hear any different thoughts or alternate views....like Kim.

If people put you on ignore because you're insane, that's not a reflection on them.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Thanks, but no. I'm sure Whitey has some really good reasons for what he did, just like Hitler did for why he killed the Jews.

Please cite where he said lefties are the ones stoking anti-immigrant hatred.

You still haven't read the guys manifesto have you? LOL



How am I wrong....?? Or is name calling the best 'argument' you've got?

Go read the manifesto.



Good a time as any

 

[KimGordon67]

Thanks, but no. I'm sure Whitey has some really good reasons for what he did, just like Hitler did for why he killed the Jews.

His 'manifesto', from what I've seen, is a garbled mess of ideological positions that has little logic or cohesion, peppered with some liberal doses of deliberate media baiting and trolling. I suspect he thinks he's a lot cleverer than he actually is. I have no idea what we're going to do with him.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If people put you on ignore because you're insane, that's not a reflection on them.

They don't put me on iggy because I'm insane.

They put me on iggy because I corner them with facts that challenge their faith and they get fucking pissed about it.

Thanks, but no. I'm sure Whitey has some really good reasons for what he did, just like Hitler did for why he killed the Jews.

Yea I didn't think you could back up any of that absurd shit you were posting.

Better to remain willfully ignorant and foam at the mouth with TDS.

 

[DirtyLittleWar]

Whatever...shit talkers gonna talk shit, bottom line is any of us can get the lights turned off at any moment.

Once you accept that fact and realize we're all almost guaranteed to die in agony including our loved ones and we'll all just be lucky if it's fast, then you might as well have a good laugh about it bubba because the Earth is gonna keep right on ah' spinnin.

Drunk driver...gunned down....cancer...blown up....smashed in a factory....whatever.

https://i.imgur.com/vUMdLi1l.png

I choose to value life and appreciate it because it is so delicate, not discount it.

 

[Que]

His whole argument is fundamentally specious. It's pretty obvious that the best means of protecting yourself is ensuring that your society isn't full of guns. I've had this argument with him so many times. Even if the extremely specific instances he cites - e.g. a woman protecting herself against rape - would be prevented with a gun, the greater level of protection is created by having fewer guns available. And even in those specific examples, he neglects to remember that most rapes are instigated by someone you know - and hence are extremely unlikely to shoot - and/or in situations in which effectively using a gun would be physically extremely difficult. AND if the rapist has a gun too, then the whole situation is back to neutral.

He might feel safer because he can carry around, but if I lived somewhere where people were routinely armed at that level, I definitely wouldn't feel safe ... and so would be effectively forced into carrying a gun myself (or be unsafe). But he can't get the logic of that ... or he falls back on this notion of a 'homogenous population' who don't have harmful intent, which is pretty uninformed. I've had plenty of harmful intent directed towards me in my life ... in every single instance, I'm extremely glad it wasn't back up with a firearm.

I'll admit I'm not overly familiar with the situations in which gun confrontation happens in the US, but I'm pretty sure it's not a nice rule-bound process like the duel that happens in westerns.

Nobody 'needs' a gun in NZ, with the possible exception of people engaged in pest control.

Your reading comprehension goes down dramatically when you get angry. I said no such thing although that is probably true I said that for personal protection your absolute most efficient method for self-defense is a gun bar none.

And I say forbidding that is immoral. You can certainly disagree with that but quit ascribing positions that I haven't bothered to take

 

[BotanyBoy]

I choose to value life and appreciate it because it is so delicate, not discount it.

Good for you.

Life might be delicate but it's cheaper than ever right now.

That's why we all virtue signal when a white guy plugs a few Muslims but look the other way while China exterminates them on an industrial scale.

 

[Que]

Cite?

Google broken? Type in FBI criminal interviews.

 

[KimGordon67]

Another double post, sorry ... but this woman. She's been a total inspiration in the last 24 hours.

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[beew]

He possibly chose NZ over Australia because it's easier to get hold of weapons (including semi-automatics) over there.

 

[beew]

Another double post, sorry ... but this woman. She's been a total inspiration in the last 24 hours.

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Why? For doing her job?

 

[Debbie]

He targeted New Zealand precisely because it was safe - because he was looking for shock value.
His 'manifesto' talked about his anger at Europeans being 'robbed' of their homelands ... obviously the irony of choosing to attack not in Europe, but in a colonised country, just totally escaped him.
The only good of all this is that he was obviously a delusional psychopathic individual, and doesn't seem to be part of any sort of organised group.

I'm proud that the overwhelming sentiment has been support for the victims, their families and their communities. The whole situation for them is just unimaginable.

I agree with you from the little we do know at the moment.

The shooter that is being charged is a white australian born man. He did this to frighten us and say to the whole world if New Zealand isnt safe from terrorist attacks then nowhere is.

I'm like girly. Angry. He tried to use our country to make his radical asshole statement. But what I see and hear is that he is a chicken shit murdering child killer. Not a man. Not a terrorist. A cowardly wanker who massacred people who were unarmed and had nowhere to hide or run to.

New Zealanders are fighters, we rally around the wounded, comfort the people who have lost loved ones and we will keep on doing this. We don't frighten easily and he is a coward who shot children. People praying. Families. Innocents.



We will rally around the people who were at the mosque praying. They are part of our community. They are new zealanders. Our people.

This was not a terrorist attack. It was one so called man with a vendetta and a fucked up way of seeing the world. A hateful fuck now caught and won't be seeing anything other than the inside of a prison cell from now on. He is a failure and a waste of space.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Is that the PM? I wish we could apologize to her for Trump.

Another double post, sorry ... but this woman. She's been a total inspiration in the last 24 hours.

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[Carnal_Flower]

At least you're crawling out of your White Supremicist bunker and showing your true colors.

Yea I didn't think you could back up any of that absurd shit you were posting.

Better to remain willfully ignorant and foam at the mouth with TDS.

 

[KimGordon67]

Is that the PM? I wish we could apologize to her for Trump.

It is the PM. No NZer expects to have to deal with this when they're elected, but she's done an amazing job. Every address to the media has been calm, incredibly informative, but also full of compassion and emotion (which seems a bit paradoxical, I know, but she manages those things simultaneously). She's carefully fielded the questions that she know she can't answer, and hasn't grandstanded at all. The photo above is off a meeting with the Muslim leaders in Christchurch that was attended by the leaders of every party currently in Parliament - also in that shot is Greens leader James Shaw, who still has a black eye from being bashed in public the other day.

I was kind of curious to think about how this compared to 9/11 - proportionately compared the respective populations, the death toll is freakishly similar. Obviously there's a heap of factors which make the two things fundamentally different acts, but just that little factoid might explain why this is so significant here. That, and the fact that it's been 30 years since the last time a similar thing happened.

 

[toeskr]

It is the PM. No NZer expects to have to deal with this when they're elected, but she's done an amazing job. Every address to the media has been calm, incredibly informative, but also full of compassion and emotion (which seems a bit paradoxical, I know, but she manages those things simultaneously). She's carefully fielded the questions that she know she can't answer, and hasn't grandstanded at all. The photo above is off a meeting with the Muslim leaders in Christchurch that was attended by the leaders of every party currently in Parliament - also in that shot is Greens leader James Shaw, who still has a black eye from being bashed in public the other day.

I was kind of curious to think about how this compared to 9/11 - proportionately compared the respective populations, the death toll is freakishly similar. Obviously there's a heap of factors which make the two things fundamentally different acts, but just that little factoid might explain why this is so significant here. That, and the fact that it's been 30 years since the last time a similar thing happened.

What is your favorite sect? Lots to choose from.

Or does it come down to which one is less brutal?

You should go with feelings, emotions and identity politics. That always seems to work. Unless they are getting ready to behead you.

 

[the_kuntess]

Hate is hate, that’s true.

Where it is focused changes everything. For NZ. It might be normal for other parts of the world, but for New Zealand it’s completely different and shocking. New Zealand is chill and they embrace all. We’ve always been proud of that.

New Zealand is far away from all the shit. Not so far now that it has happened, but before that the last time NZ was terrorised on this scale was a long time ago. NZers embrace diversity and culture.

It’s almost like these wankers targeted NZ because they’re soft. Little do they know, NZers aren’t soft at all.

❤
Shattered we may be, soft we are not.

 

[Dreamliner]

This is not terrorism, this is not a political statement, nor is it hate, it is murder.

He is not from NZ, yet he has murdered 49 NZ citizens. He has taken advantage of a close relationship with our Australian friends, to come here freely, and murder people.

He deserves no oxygen.

 

[DeYaKen]

This is not terrorism, this is not a political statement, nor is it hate, it is murder.

He is not from NZ, yet he has murdered 49 NZ citizens. He has taken advantage of a close relationship with our Australian friends, to come here freely, and murder people.

He deserves no oxygen.

Denying that this is terrorism is only giving credence to his beliefs. His aim was to make others frightened to go about their daily business, therefore, it was a terrorist act whether it was carried out by one to four people (depending on what the police come up with) or whether it was done by a larger organisation. The fact that he targeted one group of people makes it terrorism.

That is not to say it isn't murder, it obviously is. That is not to say it was not cowardly, how could the slaughter of unarmed innocents be anything else? Terrorism doesn't have to be political it only has to be intended to strike fear into a specific group. The murder of our MP Jo Cox was a terrorist act since the perpetrator wanted to frighten people who spoke out against his views.

 

[beew]

This is not terrorism, this is not a political statement, nor is it hate, it is murder.

He is not from NZ, yet he has murdered 49 NZ citizens. He has taken advantage of a close relationship with our Australian friends, to come here freely, and murder people.

He deserves no oxygen.

Some claim that it was more than that:




www.radionz.co.nz

"Security analyst Paul Buchanan said the shooter's skill set indicated he was either ex-military or had learned from someone who might be ex-military.
He is a very clear white supremacist who has been planning this for two years," he said.

The shooter might have been part of a small cell who had some support in the Christchurch area, rather than a lone wolf, Mr Buchanan said.
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