Mass shootings in New Zealand mosques

[DirtyLittleWar]

In one post, he says you cant force human will...and in another...we can force beliefs by having people carry a guns. I wonder which it is?

That’s quite a good point, Dribble. He’s making a case for how we should universally accept the standard he purports, even as he has made a case for individualism. That’s not coherent.

 

[RoryN]

2nd post in this thread:

This is a developing story. Check back for more detailsKant Better yet, please follow on your regular local news network.

175 posts later, I'll ask you: how's your attempt to shut it down turning out?

(I'll do your response/lie for you: "I wasn't trying to...")

 

[Que]

That’s quite a good point, Dribble. He’s making a case for how we should universally accept the standard he purports, even as he has made a case for individualism. That’s not coherent.

Dribs has never made a cogent point, ever, much less there. You've yet to make one but I have hopes for you. Keep trying.

Having, and even using the means to DEFEND incursions on your rights is the opposite of using force to deprive others of theirs.

You are thinking of collectivists. They are the ones that insist on using the threat of violence by authority to impose their beliefs on others for the betterment of the collective.

I don't require that anyone accept the existence of my inalienable human rights unless they propose to infringe upon them. Nothing about me supporting individual freedom and liberty requires that I advocate nihilism.

That's why we organize ourselves into societies where we, as civilized human beings, agree to rules and guidelines that we are going to follow.

I don't know why this is so complicated for those of you that hate freedom but no one's liberty extends to the point of restricting someone else's liberty. Here's a pretty good test if what you want to do requires the threat of violence or incarceration to get people to comply with what it is you want done it's probably not the right approach.

To mix a metaphor: are you occasionally going to get into situations where your liberty is going to create a rock too large for you to pick up and throw? Sure. That's what reasonable discourse is about. Such reasonable discourse is also known as protected free speech which is protected quite specifically by one's right to self-defense.

I'm such a fan of liberty I want to be clear that you are free to give up any liberties you wish, so long as you do not require others to join you in your masochism.

 

[Januari]

2nd post in this thread:



175 posts later, I'll ask you: how's your attempt to shut it down turning out?

(I'll do your response/lie for you: "I wasn't trying to...")

I came in ready to talk shit and left wanting a Jamocha shake. So I feel kind of like a winner.

 

[Que]

2nd post in this thread:



175 posts later, I'll ask you: how's your attempt to shut it down turning out?

(I'll do your response/lie for you: "I wasn't trying to...")

You should have appended, "...therefore, New Zealand needs to enact some sensible gun legislation!!"

That would have gotten the postcount in "your" thread into the realm of the truly validating to help boost your quite reasonable low self-esteem.

Must be invigorating to feel such paternal pride in "your" threads that you endlessly start but do not meaningfully participate in.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

There's a lot of really sick puppies on this thread.

 

[toeskr]

There's a lot of really sick puppies on this thread.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

 

[Rotadom]

You would guess wrong.

The FBI's extensive interviews with criminals says you're wrong, but go ahead and believe what you like absent evidence to the contrary.

Cite?

 

[KeithD]

There's a lot of really sick puppies on this thread.

Yep, this is a goldmine of authorities wanting to trace crazy, violence-prone alt-righters via Internet behavior.

 

[Rotadom]

You're not wrong about that. His "manifesto" should never be released he should never be given an opportunity to speak in public and no one should ever know his name.

Hell, in this case, from what I've read that was the entire point of the exercise for him. It's why I selected guns it's why he created the message he did and it's why he chose the location everything.

The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize so we shouldn't spread his message ever.

In all such incidents I make a conscious effort to try to not absorb the person's name and yet in each and every case if I think about it I can probably name them.

Gun owners have rights too! Why ban them from spreading their pro-gun agenda Plus, only Muslims were killed so who cares?

 

[DirtyLittleWar]

Plus, only Muslims were killed so who cares?

You are an inhumane fuckwit.

 

[Rotadom]

You are an inhumane fuckwit.

Are you one of them

 

[KimGordon67]

Cite?

His whole argument is fundamentally specious. It's pretty obvious that the best means of protecting yourself is ensuring that your society isn't full of guns. I've had this argument with him so many times. Even if the extremely specific instances he cites - e.g. a woman protecting herself against rape - would be prevented with a gun, the greater level of protection is created by having fewer guns available. And even in those specific examples, he neglects to remember that most rapes are instigated by someone you know - and hence are extremely unlikely to shoot - and/or in situations in which effectively using a gun would be physically extremely difficult. AND if the rapist has a gun too, then the whole situation is back to neutral.

He might feel safer because he can carry around, but if I lived somewhere where people were routinely armed at that level, I definitely wouldn't feel safe ... and so would be effectively forced into carrying a gun myself (or be unsafe). But he can't get the logic of that ... or he falls back on this notion of a 'homogenous population' who don't have harmful intent, which is pretty uninformed. I've had plenty of harmful intent directed towards me in my life ... in every single instance, I'm extremely glad it wasn't back up with a firearm.

I'll admit I'm not overly familiar with the situations in which gun confrontation happens in the US, but I'm pretty sure it's not a nice rule-bound process like the duel that happens in westerns.

Nobody 'needs' a gun in NZ, with the possible exception of people engaged in pest control.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

This is some seriously twisted shit even from you two.

The dude was a White Supremicist who hated immigrants, and both of you psychos are blaming the left for this. He worshipped Anders Brevik. (Far Right Neo Nazi) He did what he did out of xenophobic and racist hatred, it's right there, just like Dylan Roof, the guy who shot up the synagogue, and Cesar Sayoc among many others. His target was Moose Lambs, not SJWs, and yet, its all their fault.

Harpy, please explain where Lefties are the ones stoking anti-immigrant hatred. We all await your reply.

And Psycho Boy is just off the rails. Really revealed his true colors here.

Harpy:

I wish you people would put down the stupid and start paying attention to what you've created.

It's not guns. It's not Mosques. It's not "white" anything. It's hate being used as a weapon against ordinary people in order to reshape the world in some fucked up version of a fairy tale.

49 people are dead because you twits don't understand that your divisiveness, hate, and bullshit have allowed the crazies to walk among us and find a purpose.

You scream that it's the Alt-right when YOU are the ones who insist on radicalization. You insist on calling those who oppose your bigoted zealotry "deplorable" and other equally heinous names. You mock. You denigrate. You destroy in the name of "unification".

And then you act all surprised at what happens afterward before pointing the finger of blame at those you've harmed as the root cause of everything.

49 more people have died because of what you've created around the globe. It's your bed; sleep in it and stop blaming others for the lack of comfort you expect it to give you.

Psycho Boy:

1) That country is part of the exact same culture war the US is in right now....the culture war the identitarian/socialist left started in western liberal democracies against around the world and continues to support. Keep pushing the anti-white, anti-western, anti-liberal agenda in white western liberal democracies and this culture war is going to heat up real fast. Get a clue.


But yea, the anti-white, ant-capitalist, anti-western liberal democracy lefties are responsible for this in that they started the culture war this guy is trying to set off.



Yea, I read it....that's because he saw what was going on, something you and the echo chamber/iggy bunker left don't seem capable of understanding.

The politics and racism/sexism the left pushes? That YOU support?

Are ANTITHETICAL


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antithetical

to western liberal democracy and alienates white people. This is causing the huge polarization of our politics and the deep social divide/conflicts we've been seeing in recent years.

Keep pushing operation "Fuck whitey and his evil capitalism" and it's going to heat up even more. Depending on how the media handles it this guy might accomplish what the BLM shooter in Dallas failed to do a few years ago.

 

[DirtyLittleWar]

Are you one of them

Yes, I am, proudly.

 

[Rotadom]

His whole argument is fundamentally specious. It's pretty obvious that the best means of protecting yourself is ensuring that your society isn't full of guns. I've had this argument with him so many times. Even if the extremely specific instances he cites - e.g. a woman protecting herself against rape - would be prevented with a gun, the greater level of protection is created by having fewer guns available. And even in those specific examples, he neglects to remember that most rapes are instigated by someone you know - and hence are extremely unlikely to shoot - and/or in situations in which effectively using a gun would be physically extremely difficult. AND if the rapist has a gun too, then the whole situation is back to neutral.

He might feel safer because he can carry around, but if I lived somewhere where people were routinely armed at that level, I definitely wouldn't feel safe ... and so would be effectively forced into carrying a gun myself (or be unsafe). But he can't get the logic of that ... or he falls back on this notion of a 'homogenous population' who don't have harmful intent, which is pretty uninformed. I've had plenty of harmful intent directed towards me in my life ... in every single instance, I'm extremely glad it wasn't back up with a firearm.

I'll admit I'm not overly familiar with the situations in which gun confrontation happens in the US, but I'm pretty sure it's not a nice rule-bound process like the duel that happens in westerns.

Nobody 'needs' a gun in NZ, with the possible exception of people engaged in pest control.

You have to wonder about a person who claims to have such great knowledge of how to use a gun in any situation. Makes one think that many people want to do harm to him.

 

[Rotadom]

Yes, I am, proudly.

Born or converted?

 

[DirtyLittleWar]

Born or converted?

Does it even matter? You mocked people being killed while at prayer.

 

[Rotadom]

Does it even matter? You mocked people being killed while at prayer.

Sure it matters. If you became one because you were required by a militant faction as opposed to being born of the religion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Harpy, please explain where Lefties are the ones stoking anti-immigrant hatred.

Please cite where he said lefties are the ones stoking anti-immigrant hatred.

You still haven't read the guys manifesto have you? LOL

And Psycho Boy is just off the rails. Really revealed his true colors here.

Psycho Boy:

How am I wrong....?? Or is name calling the best 'argument' you've got?

Go read the manifesto.

Does it even matter? You mocked people being killed while at prayer.

Good a time as any

 

[DirtyLittleWar]

Sure it matters. If you became one because you were required by a militant faction as opposed to being born of the religion.

Were you born an asshole who made light of people being killed or did you convert at some later point? Was your being a dumbfuck required by some militant faction?

Face your inhumanity rather than dig into my biography.

 

[DirtyLittleWar]

Good a time as any

You don’t have children, do you?

 

[Rotadom]

Were you born an asshole who made light of people being killed or did you convert at some later point? Was your being a dumbfuck required by some militant faction?

Face your inhumanity rather than dig into my biography.

Thanks, PewdiePie.

 

[DirtyLittleWar]

Thanks, PewdiePie.

See? You can’t do it. You cannot muster the humanity.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You don’t have children, do you?

I do, what's that got to do with anything?