Mass shootings in New Zealand mosques

[RobDownSouth]

New Zealand shooter, in an 87-page anti-immigrant and anti-muslim hate manifesto, identifies Donald Trump as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”


https://www.newsweek.com/new-zealand...-trump-1364488

Live with what you are contributing to, board Trumpettes.

I imagine both Timmeh and the two BBs were smiling this morning when they woke up to news of the NZ shooting. Skyfather knows AJ sure was!

Heil Trump! Heil Victory! Death To "Moose Limbs"

 

[KimGordon67]

It seems like he made all sorts of references in order to provoke and spread his message. This article, which describes what he seems to have been doing is really interesting (and a little scary).

"Shitposting is the act of throwing out huge amounts of content, most of it ironic, low-quality trolling, for the purpose of provoking an emotional reaction in less Internet-savvy viewers. The ultimate goal is to derail productive discussion and distract readers. “The Great Replacement” is a clear and brutally obvious example of this technique."

Thanks for this ... it's becoming increasingly clear that he's played the media, and left a trail of 'clues' with the obvious intention that they be picked up on by mainstream media, knowing exactly what to bait them with.

 

[KeithD]

The use of the Donald Trump reference is because it's believable.

 

[bbx56]

The use of the Donald Trump reference is because it's believable.

when MUSLIMS scream ALLAH SNACKBAR you blame the NRA, fuckoff, dirtbag

 

[KimGordon67]

If anyone feels that 'thoughts and prayers' are a little inadequate, there's a givealittle fund that's been set up to support the families. (It's inaccessible at the moment, obviously overwhelmed by traffic, but that should be resolved sometime soon.)

I think it's fair to say that the country's woken up in shock. But the strongest reaction has been support of the Muslim community. This whole event is replete with irony, but hopefully the biggest irony is that the ultimate outcome will be a strengthening of respect for diversity, and care for those who call Aotearoa home.

(Sorry for the double-post.)

 

[bbx56]

If anyone feels that 'thoughts and prayers' are a little inadequate, there's a givealtittle fund that's been set up to support the families. (It's inaccessible at the moment, obviously overwhelmed by traffic, but that should be resolved sometime soon.)

I think it's fair to say that the country's woken up in shock. But the strongest reaction has been support of the Muslim community. This whole event is replete with irony, but hopefully the biggest irony is that the ultimate outcome will be a strengthening of respect for diversity, and care for those who call Aotearoa home.

(Sorry for the double-post.)

STFU about diversity, they will KILL YOU

 

[HisArpy]

I imagine both Timmeh and the two BBs were smiling this morning when they woke up to news of the NZ shooting. Skyfather knows AJ sure was!

Heil Trump! Heil Victory! Death To "Moose Limbs"

You would be wrong.

What's really awful is that you sound like you're gloating over it happening.

 

[HisArpy]

The use of the Donald Trump reference is because it's believable.

It doesn't make Trump responsible. Nor anyone who supports his political agenda.

 

[hobbit.]

STFU about diversity, they will KILL YOU

diversity is not a problem. its multiculturalism thats the killer.

one diverse culture, whilst being a mess in many ways, would be 'inclusive' but all these muliticultures who want to impose their culture on a country of their choice are the root of the problem.

 

[KimGordon67]

The PM has just spoken to the media for the first time today. As always, she managed to be both a calm leader, while also clearly emotionally affected. One of the things that was clear from what she said is the our gun laws will be changing.

 

[HisArpy]

The PM has just spoken to the media for the first time today. As always, she managed to be both a calm leader, while also clearly emotionally affected. One of the things that was clear from what she said is the our gun laws will be changing.

Why?

What did "the gun" do on it's own?
What did all those other gun owners who weren't there, and didn't shoot anyone, do wrong?
What will punishing law abiding gun owners do to stop this in the future?

It's a people problem not a "gun" problem.

 

[KimGordon67]

Why?

What did "the gun" do on it's own?
What did all those other gun owners who weren't there, and didn't shoot anyone, do wrong?
What will punishing law abiding gun owners do to stop this in the future?

It's a people problem not a "gun" problem.

The 'people' who was the problem was able to access the weapon he needed to act in the way he did. That's also a problem. I don't think any gun owning person in NZ will have a problem with being 'punished' ... I don't even think any of them would see it as punishment. Similarly, we don't whinge when speed limits on roads are changed to prevent injuries and deaths. We don't complain when workplace safety laws are tightened to decrease risk.
Oh ... and we don't think gun ownership is some weird kind of 'right', nor that guns are any different from any other dangerous object in terms of the need for regulation. If it's clear that current regulation is inadequate, we don't think we have some bizarre 'right' that overrides that. We actually think that the lessening the capacity of mass murderers to be armed is a little more important than hunting or whatever.

What Ardern is doing is showing some actual leadership. But ultimately, nothing she does is going to affect your 'right' to hold a firearm, so you don't need to get your knickers in a knot about it.

 

[bbx56]

The PM has just spoken to the media for the first time today. As always, she managed to be both a calm leader, while also clearly emotionally affected. One of the things that was clear from what she said is the our gun laws will be changing.

hey you loud mouth dirt bag

it was a GUY with a GUN that stopped teh FREEDOME FIGHTER from doing more good for NZ


I blame the bad guy with the GUN that stopped teh FREEDOM FIGHTER


any "person" that talks about guns being a problem is as useful as a brick in a ceral bowl

 

[silver gurl]

It doesn't make Trump responsible. Nor anyone who supports his political agenda.

He is not responsible but he does spew hate. From making fun of someone with a disability, to calling Mexicans gringos. The list goes on.

Completely inappropriate coming from the leader of the free world.

 

[KimGordon67]

hey you loud mouth dirt bag

it was a GUY with a GUN that stopped teh FREEDOME FIGHTER from doing more good for NZ


I blame the bad guy with the GUN that stopped teh FREEDOM FIGHTER


any "person" that talks about guns being a problem is as useful as a brick in a ceral bowl

Don't bother responding directly to me any more - you're on ignore at least for the duration of your current account. Now just isn't the time for your fucking stupidity. Go back into your hole.

 

[HisArpy]

The 'people' who was the problem was able to access the weapon he needed to act in the way he did. That's also a problem. I don't think any gun owning person in NZ will have a problem with being 'punished' ... I don't even think any of them would see it as punishment. Similarly, we don't whinge when speed limits on roads are changed to prevent injuries and deaths. We don't complain when workplace safety laws are tightened to decrease risk.
Oh ... and we don't think gun ownership is some weird kind of 'right', nor that guns are any different from any other dangerous object in terms of the need for regulation. If it's clear that current regulation is inadequate, we don't think we have some bizarre 'right' that overrides that. We actually think that the lessening the capacity of mass murderers to be armed is a little more important than hunting or whatever.

What Ardern is doing is showing some actual leadership. But ultimately, nothing she does is going to affect your 'right' to hold a firearm, so you don't need to get your knickers in a knot about it.

Yet, you will still allow the next person with the exact same mental inadequacies to walk around unsupervised and rent a truck.

It's not a "gun" problem. A gun is only a machine that does what it's made to do. THE PERSON who operates the machine with evil intent is the problem. And yet, you're going to ignore the person and others just like him, while punishing law abiding citizens who did nothing, and totally ignore the real problem.

The way society works is part of the problem. Fix society and you fix the problem. If you take away the reasons people have for being disgruntled, or believing they've been wronged, or that others are "different" and can be harmed with impunity, and so on, then you won't have these issues any more.

Otherwise, you're only going to wind up chasing after and restricting the next "machine" that kills. And the next. And the next. And the next. Just like Great Britain is doing with butter knives right now.

It's a people problem. See that and you'll see you have to fix the society which allows it to be a people problem.

 

[bbx56]

Don't bother responding directly to me any more - you're on ignore at least for the duration of your current account. Now just isn't the time for your fucking stupidity. Go back into your hole.

fuckoff MUSLIM defending dirtbag

h, and NON RESPONSIVE to my point

 

[KimGordon67]

Yet, you will still allow the next person with the exact same mental inadequacies to walk around unsupervised and rent a truck.

It's not a "gun" problem. A gun is only a machine that does what it's made to do. THE PERSON who operates the machine with evil intent is the problem. And yet, you're going to ignore the person and others just like him, while punishing law abiding citizens who did nothing, and totally ignore the real problem.

The way society works is part of the problem. Fix society and you fix the problem. If you take away the reasons people have for being disgruntled, or believing they've been wronged, or that others are "different" and can be harmed with impunity, and so on, then you won't have these issues any more.

Otherwise, you're only going to wind up chasing after and restricting the next "machine" that kills. And the next. And the next. And the next. Just like Great Britain is doing with butter knives right now.

It's a people problem. See that and you'll see you have to fix the society which allows it to be a people problem.

I understand that seeing a leader directly address a problem and enact some policy to minimise future risk is difficult for you, and also that it's difficult to comprehend that this is just one of a range of actions that will be taken, instead of just 'thoughts and prayers'.
There's probably some sort of support group you can join.

 

[HisArpy]

He is not responsible but he does spew hate. From making fun of someone with a disability, to calling Mexicans gringos. The list goes on.

Completely inappropriate coming from the leader of the free world.

And you think Antifa doesn't do the same when it comes to Conservative speech? Or that AOC isn't like that too? Or Talib? Or Mad Maxine? Or CNN and the rest of the legacy media?

Oh, it's different you say. They're not "the leader of the free world". Right? Except they have just as big a microphone and there's a LOT MORE OF THEM than just DJT.

HATE comes from people who hate. It doesn't matter what skin color, religious belief, or national origin, HATE shows up everywhere. And, when you look for it, you tend to find it every place you look if you want to badly enough.

Guess how hard everyone is looking to find hate on the part of Trump while ignoring the real sources.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Looks like Timmeh has decided that "whaddaboutism" will be his "go-to" response today.

 

[HisArpy]

I understand that seeing a leader directly address a problem and enact some policy to minimise future risk is difficult for you, and also that it's difficult to comprehend that this is just one of a range of actions that will be taken, instead of just 'thoughts and prayers'.
There's probably some sort of support group you can join.

So, rather than address my points because you don't have any answers except the same tired failed policies everyone else has, you go Ad Hom and blame me as not understanding the problem.

Sister, it's not me that's the problem. As long as society keeps trying to solve this problem by attempting to repeat the past, the problem will continue and it will grow as more and more people join one side or the other.

You have to heal the divide. Not keep splitting it open. Punishing a group of people who did NOTHING WRONG with more onerous regulations and laws coupled with threats of criminal punishment isn't healing anything.

 

[HisArpy]

Looks like Timmeh has decided that "whaddaboutism" will be his "go-to" response today.

Really? I'm the one who's engaging in whaddaboutism when you and the rest are trying to say I'm blaming them personally for the shooting? While KeithD actually runs around saying I should be locked up and that I'm somehow criminally culpable?


Yeah, here's yet ANOTHER LIE you spout just so the rest of the Koolaid drinkers don't get thirsty.

 

[KimGordon67]

So, rather than address my points because you don't have any answers except the same tired failed policies everyone else has, you go Ad Hom and blame me as not understanding the problem.

Sister, it's not me that's the problem. As long as society keeps trying to solve this problem by attempting to repeat the past, the problem will continue and it will grow as more and more people join one side or the other.

You have to heal the divide. Not keep splitting it open. Punishing a group of people who did NOTHING WRONG with more onerous regulations and laws coupled with threats of criminal punishment isn't healing anything.

You clearly haven't digested one single other post I've made about the response here, but instead decided to latch onto virtually the only one that addresses gun regulation. Again, this is NOT the only response to the situation, by either the PM or the public. I'm not going to reiterate all the other things that have happened, nor the prevailing sentiment across the country, just for you benefit.

FYI, here's a post from a 'punished' gun owner in response to Ardern's statement regarding gun laws: "As a gun owner, awesome. Come take my semi auto.
I won't even look at it again, the thought of doing that makes me actually feel sick."

 

[KimGordon67]

So, rather than address my points because you don't have any answers except the same tired failed policies everyone else has, you go Ad Hom and blame me as not understanding the problem.

Sister, it's not me that's the problem. As long as society keeps trying to solve this problem by attempting to repeat the past, the problem will continue and it will grow as more and more people join one side or the other.

You have to heal the divide. Not keep splitting it open. Punishing a group of people who did NOTHING WRONG with more onerous regulations and laws coupled with threats of criminal punishment isn't healing anything.

Also, you want an ad hominem attack? Here it is - I'd call you a cock, except I actually quite like penises. You're an opportunist fuckwit attempting to use an actual fucking tragedy to push your warped political agenda, just like BusyBody and BotanyBoy. You lot have no interest in actually see these events minimised, because then you'd lose the ammunition you need to continue to spread your fucking righteous stupidity.
I'm not giving you the benefit of a response any more - it's just providing your twisted logic with oxygen.

 

[HisArpy]

You clearly haven't digested one single other post I've made about the response here, but instead decided to latch onto virtually the only one that addresses gun regulation. Again, this is NOT the only response to the situation, by either the PM or the public. I'm not going to reiterate all the other things that have happened, nor the prevailing sentiment across the country, just for you benefit.

FYI, here's a post from a 'punished' gun owner in response to Ardern's statement regarding gun laws: "As a gun owner, awesome. Come take my semi auto.
I won't even look at it again, the thought of doing that makes me actually feel sick."

I've read what you posted. Up until you went Ad Hom, you were making sense. You had legit talking points which I was rebutting.

Then you decided that rather than accept that what you were saying was false because it doesn't address the real problem, you leveled a personal attack.

And now, you're going far afield in dredging up something that's not related except that it's IN RESPONSE to something you're supporting which won't fix the problem anyway.

Let's take guns out of the entire conversation: How do you propose that people don't go on killing sprees any longer? What would you change to prevent another mass murder scene?

Outlaw trucks? Outlaw chemicals used for pool cleaning? Outlaw fertilizer? Outlaw airplanes? Outlaw communicable diseases? Outlaw radiation? Outlaw fire?

Or, would changing the SOCIAL BEHAVIOR PATTERNS which lead people to commit mass murder make more sense?

You don't get harmony by forcing people to sing only 1 note or be punished. You get harmony by allowing everyone to sing as they can and then blending that into the desired result.