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[AwkwardMD]

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Do you see why you deserved a tough time after your first critique in a separate thread? Perhaps you realized this, for you reappeared in said thread, the Prodigal Critic, to deliver a full and honest report and the pestering of your stories and those who climbed aboard your three-wheeled bandwagon ceased.

Five years is a ponderous time to spend analyzing the writings of others and offering criticisms; be warned, do not fall in love with your wit and introspection: they cloud judgment.

Causa latet, vis est notissima.

Ask yourself: Do you provide this service to help elevate others or yourself?

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[AwkwardMD]

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First: I feel no need to create a Literotica account in order to post in the forum.

Two: I won't leave a return email address because you are not a nice person.

Three: I enjoy leaving helpful comments on people's stories, which is why I go to the Story Feedback forum and I've seen you more times than I'd like. I don't know you, but I know the type of critic that you are and it is an ugly window into your personality.

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You should stop giving reviews. They are completely self-serving when you give them, used by you to reinforce your belief that you are a literary writer. Your critiques are Trollish in their behavior AND THEY HELP NO ONE. It is obvious that you are looking for a fight with 95% of the advice you give. You have a problem and anger and lack of true confidence is close to the heart of it.

You are no critic. You are no teacher. You are a little kid who likes to be the bully in the only place you have strength (online) where anonymous strength is no strength at all.

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[Madelyne13]

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Ask yourself: Do you provide this service to help elevate others or yourself?

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I would say that is question that Anonymous should answer his or herself

 

[MelissaBaby]

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Plz write a story regarding armpit licking

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I'm not sure what, in my body of work, made this person think I was a good choice to receive this request.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I suspect it has nothing to do with you at all.

 

[Hypoxia]

Maturity arises when we no longer expect rational acts or speech from others.
But maturity generally sucks, excitement-wise; irrationality is fun.
Assume many LIT readers are insane and you'll be happy.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Do you see why you deserved a tough time after your first critique in a separate thread? Perhaps you realized this, for you reappeared in said thread, the Prodigal Critic, to deliver a full and honest report and the pestering of your stories and those who climbed aboard your three-wheeled bandwagon ceased.

Five years is a ponderous time to spend analyzing the writings of others and offering criticisms; be warned, do not fall in love with your wit and introspection: they cloud judgment.

Causa latet, vis est notissima.

Ask yourself: Do you provide this service to help elevate others or yourself?

I love how this guy tells AMD off for "falling in love with your wit" and then in the very next sentence tries to look clever by posting a Latin motto that he googled. Self-awareness doesn't seem to be his strong suit.

This would appear to be the same guy who was spamming generic criticism on stories he hadn't actually read, because he disliked what some of us had to say on Story Feedback. But he's all about "helpful comments", uh huh. :eyeroll:

First: I feel no need to create a Literotica account in order to post in the forum.

Two: I won't leave a return email address because you are not a nice person.

Three: I enjoy leaving helpful comments on people's stories, which is why I go to the Story Feedback forum and I've seen you more times than I'd like. I don't know you, but I know the type of critic that you are and it is an ugly window into your personality.

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You should stop giving reviews. They are completely self-serving when you give them, used by you to reinforce your belief that you are a literary writer. Your critiques are Trollish in their behavior AND THEY HELP NO ONE. It is obvious that you are looking for a fight with 95% of the advice you give. You have a problem and anger and lack of true confidence is close to the heart of it.

You are no critic. You are no teacher. You are a little kid who likes to be the bully in the only place you have strength (online) where anonymous strength is no strength at all.

Self-awareness: zero. Projection: 100%.

But since the anon has decided to speculate about AMD's personality, I'm just gonna say this: I keep in touch with her outside Literotica, and I have experienced a good deal of kindness and generosity from her. She's been there for me, ready to listen and support when I needed to talk through some traumatic stuff.

No, she doesn't attempt to project a soft fluffy image on this forum. She has strong opinions about writing, she expresses them in blunt terms, and since "good writing" is largely subjective, it's almost certain that not everybody is going to share those opinions. That doesn't actually make it bullying or trolling. Anybody who shows up here asking for feedback should be prepared to deal with a range of conflicting opinions, and do the work of figuring out which of them they want to act on.

I sometimes get feedback here that I can't use, because the reviewer's tastes simply aren't compatible with the story I'm trying to tell. In that case, I might not act on their feedback at all - but it doesn't mean they're commenting in bad faith, and I still appreciate the effort that they put into commenting.

AMD beta-reads my stories, and I value her direct style, because when she sees a problem she doesn't sugar-coat it and when she says a story's working, I know she's not just being polite for the sake of my feelings.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm not sure what, in my body of work, made this person think I was a good choice to receive this request.

After my first story here (set in Australia, about a shy IT support nerd and a cellist), somebody wrote me to ask if I'd write hot celesbian action with Anna Nicole Smith.

 

[ElectricBlue]

No, she doesn't attempt to project a soft fluffy image on this forum. She has strong opinions about writing, she expresses them in blunt terms, and since "good writing" is largely subjective, it's almost certain that not everybody is going to share those opinions. That doesn't actually make it bullying or trolling. Anybody who shows up here asking for feedback should be prepared to deal with a range of conflicting opinions, and do the work of figuring out which of them they want to act on.

I will endorse this. MD and I don't see eye to eye at times because we are quite different types of writers with very different styles and approaches to writing, and we've had a spat or two because, well, we both have opinions.

But, she gave me a very long and thoughtful review on one of my better stories, not liking everything about it, liking some things very much, and the generosity of the time taken was greatly appreciated. It was a private request for a review, which is now published as a comment to the story.

She has the courage of her convictions, which I admire in any person; and at least when she says something we know exactly what she means. She's also been around the Feedback Forum long enough, and posts often enough, that writers asking for critique here, if they've done their homework, know exactly what they're going to get.

Cute though, that the criticism now received is anonymous, where

anonymous strength is no strength at all.

 

[ElectricBlue]

After my first story here (set in Australia, about a shy IT support nerd and a cellist), somebody wrote me to ask if I'd write hot celesbian action with Anna Nicole Smith.

And we're still waiting for that one .

 

[AwkwardMD]

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You posted the email (the email topping your thread) that you received from me, creating a form of conversation by proxy. Lovely and expected as your chosen method of therapy and emotional release from the insight into your being. BT should know that the assessment of their evaluation is misguided. Latin was a language required during the dreadful amount of time necessary to master my profession, though admittedly my fluency has deteriorated throughout the years. The phrase presented to you is known and was explicitly chosen so that whatever method you employed to translate its meaning would not be lost upon said translation. The addition of the Latin phrase is a parody of the I/T fiction that you have written and the pretentiousness that you add to your critiquing and writing, the latter not being terrible, though you boldly strive to create fiction of note by the additions of preconceived notions of the quantified merits of literature. Less is more and emotions cannot be forced through phrases bordering on purple; those examining your musings must feel it for themselves rather than being driven to remove themselves from your writing to understand the deeper meanings that you attempted to imprint upon the page.

Adieu.

 

[Hypoxia]

And we're still waiting for that one .

I've received requests for accounts of many pervo acts. I might comply; sometimes I wonder if I'm too vanilla. But mostly I ignore lousy comments and laugh at the others.

The request for daughter turning daddy into a cum-slut sex-toy sub? Maybe...

 

[Bramblethorn]

You posted the email (the email topping your thread) that you received from me, creating a form of conversation by proxy. Lovely and expected as your chosen method of therapy and emotional release from the insight into your being. BT should know that the assessment of their evaluation is misguided. Latin was a language required during the dreadful amount of time necessary to master my profession,

When did "anon shitposter" become a profession?

though admittedly my fluency has deteriorated throughout the years. The phrase presented to you is known and was explicitly chosen so that whatever method you employed to translate its meaning would not be lost upon said translation. The addition of the Latin phrase is a parody of the I/T fiction that you have written and the pretentiousness that you add to your critiquing and writing, the latter not being terrible, though you boldly strive to create fiction of note by the additions of preconceived notions of the quantified merits of literature. Less is more and emotions cannot be forced through phrases bordering on purple; those examining your musings must feel it for themselves rather than being driven to remove themselves from your writing to understand the deeper meanings that you attempted to imprint upon the page.

Oh god, the lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

Anon needs to worry less about the fluency of his Latin and more about the clarity of his English. I wouldn't ordinarily critique somebody who appears not to be a native English speaker - I know it's a tricky language for non-natives to learn - but he forfeits that consideration when he starts telling others how to write.

I've got work to do this afternoon, so I'm not going to give this the full sporking. For now, I'll just note that there are several places where anon doesn't appear to understand the meaning of the words he's using. One example is "explicitly" in the quote above.

If we want to talk about "pretentiousness", throwing in big words you don't understand in an attempt to sound impressive would seem to fit the bill.

 

[gordo12]

No, she doesn't attempt to project a soft fluffy image on this forum. She has strong opinions about writing, she expresses them in blunt terms, and since "good writing" is largely subjective, it's almost certain that not everybody is going to share those opinions. That doesn't actually make it bullying or trolling. Anybody who shows up here asking for feedback should be prepared to deal with a range of conflicting opinions, and do the work of figuring out which of them they want to act on.

Her opinions exceed their value. Her opinion on my story was she couldn't suspend disbelief. This coming from someone who's writing about Werebears, does, leopards, lions and the list goes on. Somehow she can ask her readers to suspend disbelief but another author does it. She calls them lazy!

Somehow the word hypocrite is on my tongue

I don't condone the anon feedback she's receiving via email but I sure can understand why someone might be sick of her bullshit.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Her opinions exceed their value. Her opinion on my story was she couldn't suspend disbelief. This coming from someone who's writing about Werebears, does, leopards, lions and the list goes on. Somehow she can ask her readers to suspend disbelief but another author does it. She calls them lazy!

Somehow the word hypocrite is on my tongue

Not seeing the hypocrisy there.

"Suspension of disbelief" is a tricky beast that depends on the reader, the genre, and placement within the story. A lot of novice authors make the mistake of equating it to "realism", but the two are only very tenuously related.

If I'm writing a Tolkien-esque fantasy story, and I bring in a dragon halfway through, readers will accept that. If I'm writing a Clancy-esque techno-thriller, and I bring in a dragon halfway through, those exact same readers will call bullshit. I've broken their SoD, because fantasy and techno-thrillers have very different expectations.

If I begin a present-day tale with my protagonist winning the lottery, as the premise on which the rest of the story is built, readers will probably accept that. But if I write nineteen chapters about how my protagonist struggles with poverty, and then in chapter 20 my protag wins the lottery and it solves all her problems, they're gonna call bullshit. It's not because winning the lottery in chapter 20 is any more realistic than winning in chapter 1, it's because of how that fits in the story. And so on.

Your story is a modern-day, real-world setting. The stories by AMD that you're referring to are high fantasy. Of course suspension of disbelief works differently in that setting! That's not "hypocrisy", it's just genre awareness, and it's something that any writer should strive to understand.

 

[AwkwardMD]

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Not going to create an account to add this to the 'Stuff people send me' thread, but here's my 2c if you want to post it.

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You might not like what AMD has to say, but when someone takes the time to read your work and offer an opinion, that has value. Time and time again I've seen AMD read people's work, sometimes quite long work, and I know how much of an effort that would be for me, which is why I don't do it myself. And they do it even if the story isn't their thing, which is a double-edged sword.

Some folks here have strong opinions, and you don't have to agree with what they say. But even when the feedback is not complimentary, it's worth putting your ego aside and taking another look at your work to see if the criticism is warranted.

In the case of the feedback given to Gordo, sorry friend, anything dumped into Loving Wives that props up the revenge fantasies of the fragile-masc crowd is generally welcomed with open arms and glowing misogyny. That doesn't make it high quality writing.

I could write - Bill's blonde 5ft 35kg 69DD breasted wife fucked another man and liked it then her husband came home and cort them and he beat the man to death with his giant dick then fucked his wife to death and got all her assets and came on her dead body and then ate her dog and was happy ever after with his 18yr old girlfrend Celia who loved him and treated him like a reel man the end. ...and get a thousand five-star likes, and lots of quality comments from the Real Men (tm) of Loving Wives to go along with it, begging for another enthralling installment.

Maybe AMD is harsh. I'd say yes, too harsh at times (sorry AMD, you do sometimes go for the jugular when it's not necessary). After all, this is a free story site, where people share their fantasies, and especially for new writers, it's hard to hear that their writing's awful. I think there's a case to say AMD could subscribe to 'if you can't say anything nice, at least don't call someone's work a piece of shit with no redeeming qualities'. But ultimately, you have a free resource in someone very literate who takes the time to read others' work, and Lit is lucky to have them.

There is always something valuable in their feedback, no matter how harsh it might seem. At least someone intelligent looked at your work.
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[gordo12]

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Not going to create an account to add this to the 'Stuff people send me' thread, but here's my 2c if you want to post it.

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You might not like what AMD has to say, but when someone takes the time to read your work and offer an opinion, that has value. Time and time again I've seen AMD read people's work, sometimes quite long work, and I know how much of an effort that would be for me, which is why I don't do it myself. And they do it even if the story isn't their thing, which is a double-edged sword.

Some folks here have strong opinions, and you don't have to agree with what they say. But even when the feedback is not complimentary, it's worth putting your ego aside and taking another look at your work to see if the criticism is warranted.

In the case of the feedback given to Gordo, sorry friend, anything dumped into Loving Wives that props up the revenge fantasies of the fragile-masc crowd is generally welcomed with open arms and glowing misogyny. That doesn't make it high quality writing.

I could write - Bill's blonde 5ft 35kg 69DD breasted wife fucked another man and liked it then her husband came home and cort them and he beat the man to death with his giant dick then fucked his wife to death and got all her assets and came on her dead body and then ate her dog and was happy ever after with his 18yr old girlfrend Celia who loved him and treated him like a reel man the end. ...and get a thousand five-star likes, and lots of quality comments from the Real Men (tm) of Loving Wives to go along with it, begging for another enthralling installment.

Maybe AMD is harsh. I'd say yes, too harsh at times (sorry AMD, you do sometimes go for the jugular when it's not necessary). After all, this is a free story site, where people share their fantasies, and especially for new writers, it's hard to hear that their writing's awful. I think there's a case to say AMD could subscribe to 'if you can't say anything nice, at least don't call someone's work a piece of shit with no redeeming qualities'. But ultimately, you have a free resource in someone very literate who takes the time to read others' work, and Lit is lucky to have them.

There is always something valuable in their feedback, no matter how harsh it might seem. At least someone intelligent looked at your work.
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Yes, it has value and if her comments had been confined to hey you need to work on your punctuation or there are some messy sentences there let me show you how to work that out. There's a hole plot, here's how it might have worked better.

I'd be listening with eyes wide open (and ears) I will admit, despite all this, she's a damn fine writer.

Advice like that would have been gratefully received. I am new, I am learning and I want to learn.

But she took it to a personal level, lazy, murderer and a bunch of other shit. I need to be socially responsible for my writing. That I don't condone. It was a light hearted in your face 750 word piece. Not exactly Atlas Shrugged.

It got a lot of compliments from the readers and that's what it's all about.

Her emails she posted above aren't the only people telling her she was over the top in her response.

 

[Bramblethorn]

But she took it to a personal level, lazy, murderer and a bunch of other shit. I need to be socially responsible for my writing. That I don't condone. It was a light hearted in your face 750 word piece. Not exactly Atlas Shrugged.

Dude. You wrote a revenge fantasy where the guy puts considerable effort and planning into humiliating his wife and wrecking her life, so much so that he ends up killing her, and then releases an app to make it easier for other guys to do the same.

In a world where men hate women so much they're murdering women they don't even know, just for being women, can you understand why some readers might not find that "light hearted"?

Anybody who's spent any amount of time around LW knows that it has a certain percentage of readers who really, really, really hate women and have difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. If you choose to pander to them and feed their hatred of women, the site isn't going to stop you, but you shouldn't expect readers from outside the LW bubble to view that as harmless fun.

It got a lot of compliments from the readers and that's what it's all about.

Then why post it to Story Feedback at all?

 

[jaF0]

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Not going to create an account to add this to the 'Stuff people send me' thread, but here's my 2c if you want to post it.

I guess they mean 'another' account since it's apparent they already have at least one, and may even be posting on this thread rather than just reading it.

 

[AwkwardMD]

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Triggered much? Is it irony the critic can't take being critique? From what I can tell, you are a bitch/troll who tries to trigger people with their words. You also made a thread about you from anon people, why? Starving for attention much? Can't fight your own fights? Remembering the days when you were bullied and too afraid to fight back in person? What the fuck is your problem? I'm going to spend a few days paying close attention to your other than tranny stories and I'm going to tell you what kind of writer you are. Are you a good writer on an amateur site, or are you amateur writer know it all who doesn't know when to shut up. I think you're a carnival barker and nothing more. And that anon who gave you a compliment is someone in that thread, but notice how few people you have defending you? That says much, and this might get you a few more shields, but it's easy to tell who is sincere and who is not. You're a bitch/troll with a wordy mouth who feels better when you're knocking people down under the guise of help. People would have more respect for you if you'd admit it.
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[gordo12]

Dude. You wrote a revenge fantasy where the guy puts considerable effort and planning into humiliating his wife and wrecking her life, so much so that he ends up killing her, and then releases an app to make it easier for other guys to do the same.

In a world where men hate women so much they're murdering women they don't even know, just for being women, can you understand why some readers might not find that "light hearted"?

Anybody who's spent any amount of time around LW knows that it has a certain percentage of readers who really, really, really hate women and have difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. If you choose to pander to them and feed their hatred of women, the site isn't going to stop you, but you shouldn't expect readers from outside the LW bubble to view that as harmless fun.

I'm sorry, are we an experiment in social responsibility? A certain percentage of everyone has difficulty distinguishing fantasy from reality. It doesn't matter what it is. You'd never have all the conspiracy theories otherwise and all of them have their subscribers.

if we're going there, shut down all the newspapers, TVs, radios and the internet. Burn all the books. That way we shelter those who are challenged by reality.

I'm not responsible for their idiocy and neither are you.

Then why post it to Story Feedback at all?

I put it in story feedback when it was posted. It was a couple of days later before somebody gave her opinion and set off the reactions you see.

I'm only reporting what has happened NOW. A week later.

And nobody should have to put up with comments like this:

but you know you put no effort into this. You half assed an entry into an event, and put it in a category that was guaranteed to score it poorly but give it lots of attention. Now you can pick and choose the responses you like. You can tell yourself "it's loving wives. That's why the score is bad," but you avoided failing by not trying in the first place. So... congratulations?

That half assed 750 word entry is now hovering just below 4. A sweep will send it over. With over 33,000+ views now 22,000+ of which came the first 24 hours it has over 1800+ votes and 60+ comments, being one of the top commented stories in the last seven days. The majority of those comments were complimentary. This is only the 4th story I've ever posted.

I don't know what constitutes success in a story here, but it sure seems to me that by any measure the readers are enjoying it.

 

[AwkwardMD]

1) yes that IS how Bluetooth works
2) it's not that bad
3) who am I to judge
4) you're new
5) it's light hearted fun
6) it's 750 words
7) It's only you're 4th story
8) responsibility sounds like a lot of work
9) some people like it
10) I'm very mean
11) other people think I'm mean too
12) I'm biased against it because I didn't like it

Aside from the first one I don't see arguments for the merit of the story, just a lot of smoke and mirrors to draw attention away. Focus on the subject, the story. Be critical of yourself, like anyone who really wants to improve does, and stop trying to muddy the conversation with distractions and sideshow antics.

 

[jaF0]

^^ Are you picking up on who your doink is yet? Cuz I've got a fair idea.

 

[AwkwardMD]

There is a prime suspect, yes.

 

[gordo12]

If you're trying to intimate it's me you're both full of shit.

What you see is what you get. I have no problem in facing down people. You get email from me it comes WITH my email address and my ID.