Why is "rape" allowed in titles but not in tags? What are the rules about the word?

[srosa]

Why is "rape" allowed in titles but not in tags? What are the rules about the word?

I'm looking for some guidance on some problems I have related to site policies.

The problems are these:
1. My favorite fantasy is the rape fantasy (gosh, this may be a problem in itself). But I cannot find any rules around the use of the word "rape".
2. Therefore, I'm left to guess at the rules.
3. Searching for the word "rape" in the forums? No results (and therefore no guidance or rules). Trying to add a tag "rape" on a story post? Not allowed. But then I search Google for "rape literotica", and I'm directed to stories that have the word "rape" in their titles.

Does this mean that if I want to reach readers who like rape fantasies, I have to put "rape" in my story titles? Why is this? It feels ironic that the word isn't allowed in a humble tag, but it's fine in a blatant title.

If putting "rape" in titles is the required and permitted workaround, I will comply without further inquiry. I just want to know if if I'm following the rules I can't find.

 

[Lascivity]

Might be that they don't want to have a "rape" category, or make those stories too easy to find with a tag, but don't mind having them present on the site. Not sure, though - and you're right that it does seem like a weird double standard.

 

[gordo12]

There was a recent discussion here about the subject:

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1490081&highlight=ashson

Hope that helps.

 

[John988]

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[Hypoxia]

...the frustrating caveat to the above caveat is that there is no real definition of "consent." As KeithD said in that thread:

Which was a snipe at my question about whether non-consensual sexual acts OTHER THAN vaginal or anal penetration are 'rape' on LIT. Answer: Rape is whatever Laurel says at any moment. Whose stories have been rejected over forced blow or hand jobs, tit or armpit fucks, stripping, etc? Or demon-rapes?

 

[ChloeTzang]

I think all you have to do is look at the category name, "Non-Consent/Reluctance" to get an idea of how far. Rape, as in outright rape, is verboten. Soften it to reluctance, with an enjoyable outcome for the rapee, however implausible, and you're good.

 

[Hypoxia]

I think all you have to do is look at the category name, "Non-Consent/Reluctance" to get an idea of how far. Rape, as in outright rape, is verboten. Soften it to reluctance, with an enjoyable outcome for the rapee, however implausible, and you're good.

Again, exactly what ACTIONS are rape? Only vaginal or anal penetrations, or do other forced sexual acts qualify, like those I listed above? Do rules only apply to humans -- can demons get away with rape and snuff? Not that I'm at all interested in reading or writing such, but some clarity would be helpful. And "whatever Laurel feels like" isn't really helpful.

 

[NotWise]

I'm looking for some guidance on some problems I have related to site policies.

As far as use of the word is concerned, I think you can answer your own question. You can't use "rape" as a tag. You aren't restricted in using the word in your title or your story.

As near as I can tell, you have a lot of leeway in using the theme in your stories. If it's your fantasy, and if you write it from that perspective, then maybe it isn't a problem. You have to toe Laurel's line and when you get into grey areas, then it's hard for any of us to say where the line will be.

Edit: I don't know how Laurel feels about it, but to me there's a difference between a woman writing a rape fantasy and a man writing a rape. In practice, it could be hard to discern the difference.

 

[srosa]

Thanks so much for the replies, everyone. (And hi, coffee friends! )

What I'm gathering is that the reason the word "rape" is allowed in titles but not in tags is that the word needs context to show that it's not true rape.

As a side note, I might look into how other publishers handle this. (It has always bothered me how Lolita is not only accepted, but praised.)

Thanks again!

 

[NotWise]

(It has always bothered me how Lolita is not only accepted, but praised.)

Just write something as good as Lolita, and don't worry about it. Dare ya.

 

[srosa]

Challenge accepted (with no hope of its successful completion).

 

[NotWise]

Challenge accepted (with no hope of its successful completion).

But when you do, it'll be because of me, right? I get a cut.

Wait. Put that knife away.

 

[Hypoxia]

As a side note, I might look into how other publishers handle this.

Search for RAPE on Amazon and see what pops up. Now search for RAPE FICTION on Google and note the hits.

Hint: publishers and distributors have various standards, some allowing much more than Laurel will, some much less. Brutal rape, mayhem, snuff, underage, bestiality etc are not rare in mainstream media. But LIT is Laurel's site and runs on her rules and preferences. ROMEO AND JULIET would be rejected.

 

[AfterDusk]

I think everyone here generally refers to it as non-con instead of rape. And yes, there are no hard and fast rules about it but I’m not sure there could be? Two authors could write the exact same rapey premise and end up with completely different stories.

I think the consensus is the rape has to be “enjoyable” for the non conscenting party. That’s a fine line though. Someone could orgasm from rape but that doesn’t change the fact that no means no.

Regardless, I delved into it for a scene with centaurs. I followed the “rules” and it was approved and is well rated despite it not being in the non-con category. It was a necessary plot point in the story and while I did upset several readers who were reading it for romance as opposed to reality (...but with centaurs, mind you) it has my biggest following.

But to reiterate what everyone else said, the variables are too vast to narrow down what is acceptable vs unacceptable. We are all subject to the whims of the all powerful

 

[gordo12]

Search for RAPE on Amazon and see what pops up. .

Amazon has a no rape policy. You can do the non-con to enjoyment but their policy states they do not wish to sensualize rape.

At least that's my understanding.

 

[Emirus]

I think the consensus is the rape has to be “enjoyable” for the non conscenting party. That’s a fine line though. Someone could orgasm from rape but that doesn’t change the fact that no means no.)

Rape is non-consent. Rape victims do not enjoy the experience even if they do orgasm. To put in the story that during the act they enjoyed it is ridiculous. We write fiction but in the instance of rape there has to be realism. I’ve googled Literotica and rape regarding titles and have found several stories with rape in the title. Some of them have been deleted except for the comments. Is this because originally Laurel accepted them but subsequently deleted them because someone complained?

I wrote Hela - Retribution https://www.literotica.com/s/hela-ch-1-retribution and at the end she kills the villain. Laurel rejected it but when I resubmitted saying that the murder was not gratuitous and changing the ending so he didn’t die made the whole story pointless she accepted my comment and published the story.

My first story Cherry https://www.literotica.com/s/cherry-20 was about a shemale hooker raping a client. Making the title “Cherry rapes a wimp” would have given the plot away before the reader got started and I didn’t want that to be the case. Laurel rejected it so I resubmitted with the victim gradually enjoying being anally raped and, when leaving, asking if he could have another appointment.

Although the story was then published I wish now I’d told her that the whole point of rape is non consent and without that what’s the point? I can understand it if it’s badly written or crude but if it’s good why can’t it be accepted? If I ever get another story rejected, and changing the plot would make the story pointless, I would again resubmit, without alteration, pointing out that it was necessary for the plot. What would I have to lose?

When she skims through as many stories as she does it’s obvious that she must make mistakes. Again I would say by contacting her, in a polite way naturally, and asking her to change her mind what have you got to lose?

 

[Valint]

Although the story was then published I wish now I’d told her that the whole point of rape is non consent and without that what’s the point? I can understand it if it’s badly written or crude but if it’s good why can’t it be accepted?

Not every site needs to be for every story, not even every good story.

I think there are some solid well-written coming-of-age stories in which a pretty essential element of the story is that the main character is less than eighteen years old when they lose their virginity.

They're still not going to be published on Literotica, regardless of how good they are.

Personally, I find these rules more appalling than no rules at all: Allowing only "She said no but she really meant yes" and "As long as she's into it by the end, it's all okay" stories, but not one showing the brutal reality of rape, strikes me as legitimizing certain ways of thinking.

But it is what it is.

 

[LupusDei]

To add even more confusion, here's an observation, according to my personal experience with the story corpus, and I do recall similar pointed out in comments on the forum, perhaps, in that very same linked thread, or elsewhere: serious, violent rape is strictly forbidden within non-con category, but allowed in stories outside that category, if and only if it is a (relatively) minor plot point and isn't explored in graphic detail. For example, there's several Sci-Fi stories that contain rape as an event with the full impact of grave consequences, but isn't centered on it, leaving it more or less in background. Then, it is said that rules on this have been made more strict at some point, so presence of historical publications may not depict current policy.

 

[Emirus]

I'm my not-so-humble opinion, that's an unusual kind of reasoning; the story has to be accepted like this, because it suits the plot. Maybe the plot isn't suitable for Literotica?

In my “Uriah Heep” opinion I think you’ve misunderstood what I’ve said because I never said anything about “the story HAS to be accepted.” Laurel doesn’t HAVE to do anything. It’s her site so what gets published is entirely up to her. But if someone feels that she may have rejected a story because she, of necessity, does not read every story thoroughly then there’s no reason why the writer can’t contact her.

It’s not a question of “because it suits the plot” but because it is the plot. I think if you read the two stories of mine I referred to perhaps you will be able to see what I mean.

 

[srosa]

But when you do, it'll be because of me, right? I get a cut.

Wait. Put that knife away.

Made me laugh!
My knife is now carefully stowed with the safety on.

I learned of "Uriah Heep" and many more things. Thanks again to everyone for your perspectives.