Are women over 50 invisible?

CandiCame

You really are missing all the details. There's no sense arguing with you.
 
I would pay a lot of money to spend 2 hours with Ann Margaret, Raquel Welch or Morgan Fairchild.
I live in Houston and there is no shortage of hot, classy, upscale females over the age of 60 all over the place. I'm 75, HWP, witty/charming and still get their attention.

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Invisible or unable to express?

With the inability to do a full profile it is hard for the new members to do a good job describing themselves and what they maybe looking for ; including their age.

This could lead to a full mailbox if they have a name that says "female" in which 99% say NO Match when the lady does read them.
 
They often look like they've just gotten off work - some kind of leggings, Chelsea type boots, sweater, cross body purse (for me, that's pretty much a gack).

Bring the sex appeal! You don't have to be a slut but show yourself off. Smell good, heels, skirt will score points. If you're going on a date, you have to believe there's potential. Invest in it. If you match, you must have thought there was a little something. Invest in it. I know I'll invest in you, even if it's just for coffee or lunch. Youve nothing to lose really.

To use your table metaphor, I don't think it's that these women aren't bringing anything to the table, but rather in the pot luck that is online dating, not everyone's going to like everyone else's dish. From what you describe, it's not that those ladies aren't bringing anything to the table, it's just not to your taste.

You seem to have a preference for very traditional and feminine style. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that, though there may be some issues with some of it for those of us over 50, which I'll get to in a bit.

I've never used tindr, but are you able to indicate that in your profile? Or in your communications with a potential date? If you say you love it when a woman wears heels and a dress or a skirt, that lets women who don't prefer that style of dress know and it saves you both time. The way you said comfy, I was picturing bathrobes or pjs or at least sweat pants.

Let's start with the boots. Women's dress footwear generally sucks at giving adequate support, even flat shoes. A lot of the toe boxes are too narrow. As people (men and women both) age, ligaments get looser. Now, combine that with decades of bad foot support, and a lot of us end up with things like bunions, plantar fasciitis, heel spurs, etc. And wearing heels can aggravate back, knee and hip pain from things like arthritis.

I can wear low heels with a wide toe box and good arch support for a few hours. But if I'm going to be on my feet most of the day or walking a lot, even those hurt. Low heeled boots are good for accommodating orthotics which provide more support, but are dressier than sneakers. So I'm guessing that's why women in our 50s tend to favor them. I still have a couple of pairs of high heels, but those are pretty much for show only. Or situations where I won't be walking or standing for long. I tend to go for lower wedge sandals in the summer.

A coffee meet and greet is going to involve getting there and back, which may involve walking or public transit. Heels just aren't going to be practical for a lot of 50+ women in those circumstances.

Another joy of aging for women is menopause. Which means, in some cases, we're dealing with weight gain and hot flashes. A lot of people, particularly if they haven't struggled with weight before, think wearing a large shapeless top looks better. Something with a little structure is actually more flattering, but if people don't know that, they may just try to cover as much as possible. And some people just like the comfort of loose clothing (I favor loose t-shirts and other tops at home). Though I have no idea why people wear sweaters during menopause.

Are you meeting these women after you both finish work or during lunch for the workday? Cross body bags are very practical if you're commuting. You can swipe a transit card a lot easier if your hands are free. In addition to phone, keys and wallet, women are usually carrying a hair brush for touch ups and lipstick and a compact. Phone charger and other assorted items. Carrying it on one shoulder can throw off your gait and cause problems with that shoulder. And it's a more tempting target for purse snatchers.

Cross body bags are more comfortable. They also come in some nice colors and styles.

Hot flashes often mean make up can sweat right off. So some of us dial it back a bit because we don't want to be trying to get it off our clothes.

If we decide to get all dolled up, then we're spending more time getting ready, more questions from co-workers (if you dress significantly different from what everyone usually wears at work). At a certain point, many of us don't want our co-workers to know our business. Personally, I'm at the point where I'll ask myself if the effort of taking my mascara off is worth it when I go out socially. But I'm still pretty much all in for lipstick. And some women aren't big on make up. There's nothing wrong with people having different tastes or preferences.

Dating itself has changed significantly. It used to be we had some connection to the person, so there was at least some chemistry going on which made getting ready for the date anticipation. Now, we don't know if there's going to be any chemistry or not. So I think a lot of people are taking a wait and see approach and seeing how the initial meet goes.
 
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To use your table metaphor, I don't think it's that these women aren't bringing anything to the table, but rather in the pot luck that is online dating, not everyone's going to like everyone else's dish. From what you describe, it's not that those ladies aren't bringing anything to the table, it's just not to your taste.

You seem to have a preference for very traditional and feminine style. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that, though there may be some issues with some of it for those of us over 50, which I'll get to in a bit.

I've never used tindr, but are you able to indicate that in your profile? Or in your communications with a potential date? If you say you love it when a woman wears heels and a dress or a skirt, that lets women who don't prefer that style of dress know and it saves you both time. The way you said comfy, I was picturing bathrobes or pjs or at least sweat pants.

Let's start with the boots. Women's dress footwear generally sucks at giving adequate support, even flat shoes. A lot of the toe boxes are too narrow. As people (men and women both) age, ligaments get looser. Now, combine that with decades of bad foot support, and a lot of us end up with things like bunions, plantar fasciitis, heel spurs, etc. And wearing heels can aggravate back, knee and hip pain from things like arthritis.

I can wear low heels with a wide toe box and good arch support for a few hours. But if I'm going to be on my feet most of the day or walking a lot, even those hurt. Low heeled boots are good for accommodating orthotics which provide more support, but are dressier than sneakers. So I'm guessing that's why women in our 50s tend to favor them. I still have a couple of pairs of high heels, but those are pretty much for show only. Or situations where I won't be walking or standing for long. I tend to go for lower wedge sandals in the summer.

A coffee meet and greet is going to involve getting there and back, which may involve walking or public transit. Heels just aren't going to be practical for a lot of 50+ women in those circumstances.

Another joy of aging for women is menopause. Which means, in some cases, we're dealing with weight gain and hot flashes. A lot of people, particularly if they haven't struggled with weight before, think wearing a large shapeless top looks better. Something with a little structure is actually more flattering, but if people don't know that, they may just try to cover as much as possible. And some people just like the comfort of loose clothing (I favor loose t-shirts and other tops at home). Though I have no idea why people wear sweaters during menopause.

Are you meeting these women after you both finish work or during lunch for the workday? Cross body bags are very practical if you're commuting. You can swipe a transit card a lot easier if your hands are free. In addition to phone, keys and wallet, women are usually carrying a hair brush for touch ups and lipstick and a compact. Phone charger and other assorted items. Carrying it on one shoulder can throw off your gait and cause problems with that shoulder. And it's a more tempting target for purse snatchers.

Cross body bags are more comfortable. They also come in some nice colors and styles.

Hot flashes often mean make up can sweat right off. So some of us dial it back a bit because we don't want to be trying to get it off our clothes.

If we decide to get all dolled up, then we're spending more time getting ready, more questions from co-workers (if you dress significantly different from what everyone usually wears at work). At a certain point, many of us don't want our co-workers to know our business. Personally, I'm at the point where I'll ask myself if the effort of taking my mascara off is worth it when I go out socially. But I'm still pretty much all in for lipstick. And some women aren't big on make up. There's nothing wrong with people having different tastes or preferences.

Dating itself has changed significantly. It used to be we had some connection to the person, so there was at least some chemistry going on which made getting ready for the date anticipation. Now, we don't know if there's going to be any chemistry or not. So I think a lot of people are taking a wait and see approach and seeing how the initial meet goes.

Ok so he meant that look was bad. I think he thought I was arguing with him but I genuinely didn't know what the hell "gack" meant in that context.

You're absolutely right about everything you said but I also want to add that just... fashion changes? Boots, leggings, and oversized tops are in. That's what a lot of people my age (I'm in my 20s) wear, just because it's the current style, not because of any health problems. I'm a fan of the look and I didn't know if he was saying he liked or disliked it.

I don't actually like a lot of draped tops, but I get what they're going for- it's to balance out the look because the bottom is so plain so you hit it with a draped top to make it look a little 'heavier' by doing draping.

I don't understand how it's less feminine because the look he's describing is a very fem look.

When he described the look I, once again, thought he was saying that was how younger people dress because... it is. That's another reason I didn't understand if he was saying it was bad or good. It's a pretty 'youthful' look because the boots + leggings + tunic is super in this season.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/e2/c6/31e2c6bd720144d6904aa5b84e854581.jpg

If you look at what top designers put on at the winter season show in Milan this year, you'll see that it's actually more oversized, but runway looks are always more exaggerated than streetwear.

https://www.armani.com/cloud/armanif31wp/uploads/2018/03/Women_Fashion_Show_Fall_Winter_2018-2019_Giorgio_Armani_Runway_1.jpg

My point is that all your points are valid, but fashion is also just... a thing that changes and we're just currently in a season where skirts and out and leggings with oversized tops are in. And younger people tend to follow trends more closely than older people who have a closet full of basics so realistically (and sales figures and street fashion blogs confirm this) we see more young people wearing the outfit he described than older people, just because younger people are more likely to buy more clothes for the season because they don't have as full of a collection, whereas older people have timeless pieces they can pull from without having to buy new clothes. You're still kind of building your wardrobe in your 20s, especially if it's a professional wardrobe (you already mentioned the difference between work clothes and eveningwear, I'm just emphasizing how important that distinction is). But if we look at "Date Night" lookbooks from the fashion blogosphere from folks my age... we still see the outfit he described just accessorized differently.

See, the thing about us millenials is that we're killing the bullshit industries of the world, and one of them is this idea that you have to have different more special clothes for evening instead of just wearing your work clothes and dressing them up. We ain't got the money or time for that. So we see looks like this:

https://img.youtube.com/vi/67bWM_eQrMc/mqdefault.jpg

https://hollywoodwil.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1546428427_maxresdefault.jpg

That's just how we roll.

If you can't tell, I love me some fashion, lol.
 
I could be wrong, but I think he's saying older women are more likely to wear the leggings/sweaters and boots. I had no idea what Chelsea boots are so I had to Google it. They are boots like this:
https://www.zappos.com/p/sam-edelman-tinsley-black-matte/product/8605266/color/81304

That link isn't working for me, but a Chelsea boot is more of a autumnal look so most people aren't wearing them this season. There are a variety of styles, but the most common kind ends just above the ankle, so isn't going to do much in snow. Because the tights/oversized top sillouette was super popular last season, you did see a lot of younger people wearing them with Chelsea boots, but again, they're kind of out of style now because they're more of a fall look.

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1JA2.HVXXXXb1XXXXq6xXFXXXK/Brogue-Boots-Chelsea-Boots-Women-s-high-genuine-leather-shoes-Jeewayes-Brand-2-Colors-Black-Boots.jpg_640x640.jpg

http://s3cdn-test-lookbooknu.netdna-ssl.com/files/looks/large/2012/11/06/2629506_lb3.jpg?1352214402

https://www.gorgeautiful.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ankle-Boots-with-Leggings.jpg

http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa419/lefashion/LE**0FASHION/Le-Fashion-Blog-Model-Off-Duty-Australia-Street-Style-Taupe-Leather-Jacket-Chanel-Bag-Sweater-Leather-Shorts-Tights-Ankle-Boots.jpg

http://s3cdn-test-lookbooknu.netdna-ssl.com/files/looks/medium/2014/02/16/3568878_lookbook2.jpg?1392550595

I don't actually like them that much. It's just not my style; I prefer a knee-high boot. Even for work and shit where I can't dress 'fem' I've got some male-coded "goth" boots that I wear and just wear bootcut dress pants over them.

But I don't like them on ME. I've never kicked someone out of bed for their taste in shoes. The concept is kind of bizarre to me.
 
I love that this thread has morphed into a fashion thread!!!

CandiCame, what are some good looks for women over 50 (that no longer have the body of a 20-year old)? Preferably ones that don't make us look invisible?
 
I love that this thread has morphed into a fashion thread!!!

CandiCame, what are some good looks for women over 50 (that no longer have the body of a 20-year old)? Preferably ones that don't make us look invisible?

I mean, the TRADITIONAL advice is to get a collection of basics in a neutral color for whatever your color scheme is, so black and white for people with cool tones and browns for people with warm tones and not to chase trends. So pick your favorite silhouette and then build simple pieces around it and then accent them with jewelry that isn't extremely gaudy. Because the actual clothes should be simple and more about the silhouette than patterns or fabric weight, the accessories should be simple but well made. That doesn't mean they have to be expensive, it just means that they need to be like... like instead of being attached by string, be attached by actual fasteners and go with actual metal and real stones. Usually the person will pick whatever sillouette they liked the most through the lifetime they first developed their style.

So for me, I know that jynco jeans and little bitty tops will never come back, but that doesn't mean I can't wear a bottom heavy silhouette, especially when presenting fem because long draped skirts are a classic look for that same silhouette. The thing is I'm short for a guy but a little tall as a chick so that actually helps me pass because that silhouette makes you look shorter. Then I can do tightwaisting and a formfitting top and no one will ever call me out it because I'll have a fem silhouette. A lot of people think you have to have a certain shape to pass as fem, but that's not true because women come in all shapes and sizes.

The age thing is that people was the look more sophisticated as their look matures, so the idea is to focus on the silhouette and a more simple style that reflect personality in the accessories. The idea is kind of that should be finished experimenting and know what your personal style is and then build on it. So the easiest way to find your style is to go to your closet and turn all your hangers around backwards. Now just wear your clothes, as you normally would, for a full year, all four fashion seasons. Go through a "fashion fast"- that means, don't buy a single new piece for the whole year. I know it's hard. I know it can be fucking impossible. If it is straight up impossible, use what's called "the one in one out" rule. If you buy, say, a new top- you HAVE to donate one of your old ones. Make it a rule in your head. Then hang the new top with the hanger backwards and only turn it once you wear it. But if you can, don't buy anything. Not even if something wears out.

Now at the end of the year go to your closet, and whatever is hanging on a backwards hanger, take it out of your closet. You'll find that you probably only wore about half of what you have. Take the stuff you took out and go through it. If it doesn't have some kind of sentimental value- donate it. Those clothes have lived through their usefullness, they brought you happiness, but they're done now. They've done their job and it's time for them to move on with their lives so someone else can enjoy them. Then, once you've made your peace, donate them.

What you have left is your actual style. What silhouette is it? Because you'll be amazed to find that they do present the same silhouette, because that's what looks good on you. Is it a long draping top and tight bottoms like the kids wear? Then fucking wear it. It doesn't matter that it might be "youthful" or "not mature enough"- it looks fucking good on you. Fuck people who tell you to dress for your age. Is it a more classic cinched waist hourglass silhouette? Is it a boxy top round bottom silhouette (this was super popular in the 80s when my mom was growing up, and it looks fucking great on her. It might not have been 'on trend' since the 80s, but it looks good on her. She doesn't need shoulder-pads and spandex to get it, she can modernize it with heavy fabric on the tops and light fabrics on the bottom. A good leather padded jacket and skinny jeans give the same silhouette as a blazer with shoulder pads and spandex pants.) Now that you know what your style is, you can pick a color scheme based on the basic pallets I described before. Keep prints simple and colors muted.

Something else conventional wisdom says is that light colors hide grey better, but this actually freaks me the fuck out. My mom has had jet black hair (like me and my brothers) my whole life. And my whole life, people have said to me, "Oh you look just like your mom!" Then she went chestnut brown. And she... doesn't look like my mom anymore. I don't like it. And I told her I didn't like it, and she told me to fuck right off because it was her hair and I went purple for ten years so I can shut right the fuck up and I was like, "That's fair" because that's honestly how you SHOULD respond to someone who criticizes your fashion choices sitting there in skinny jeans and a Star Wars T. Now that I've kind of outgrown neon my hair will be jet fucking black until the day I die. I realized that just is what looks best on me.

The thing about all of this, btw, is that this is CONVENTIONAL advice. This is the shit you see from people talking about how to dress if you want to look conventional. That's not what everyone wants. There are countless fashion genres and subgenres. My family has, since the beginning of time, worn mostly black for whatever reason, and because my mom decided to have kids with white guys that made me, a person with jet black hair, pale white skin, but native bone structure so my facial features are kind of sharp. I didn't choose the goth life, the goth life chose me. Raised by people who got their fashion style from the 1980s. Put some metal boots and an Aerosmith T-shirt on me when I was too young to dress myself and just realize how fucking good that looks- but then I had to get a real job, so now I'm more corporate goth. I wear those same boots but with black dress pants over them, an Edwardian-inspired button up top, take out all but two of my earrings as per company policy and I'm ready for work. It's not on-trend and it makes me look much older, like I might be a vampire who lived through the Edwardian era and just never updated his wardrobe- but I look fucking great so it works.

The idea is to find what your personal style is, and then to wear it with confidence, and if your son says anything about your hair tell him to fuck right off even though you are the one who raised him to be a shallow judgemental asshole. YOU DID THIS MOM YOU DEAL WITH IT.

If you're invisible to someone, it's someone who wasn't worth having in your life anyway. When you know you look good, because you do now that you've worked out what that means for you, you'll attract the kind of people who also know that. If someone is only going to be attracted to people my age, you don't need them in your life so if they don't like how you dress, tell them to fuck off because they're obviously too stupid to make that call, look at how objectively good you look. Their subjective opinion is just them being wrong about a thing. People are allowed to be wrong about subjective aesthetics, and now you don't have to deal with your bullshit. You've filtered a toxic person out of your life before they had to opportunity to bring that toxicity into your life. And you're too old to deal with that bullshit. Pawn it off on a kid who still thinks they can change him. They'll eventually grow out of it and leave him when he catches them knitting or something.

That's something my generation has kind of nailed, btw- the knitting thing. You guys might have seen headlines like, "Millenials are killing the fast fashion industry" and I kind of talked about this before. We are. We don't do specific "daytime" "evening" and "loungewear" looks. For us, all pieces we buy have to pull their fucking weight because we're all broke as shit, even those of us with good jobs because we gotta pay off those student loans and all our bills are freaky fucking high because the economy is shit. So vintage & DIY are in and fast fashion is out. Who cares if you ankle boots are out? If it's not snowing out we'll wear last season's boots because we don't give a fuck. It's just how we roll. It's pissing off fast fashion corporations but they don't wanna pay their employees a living wage so fuck um. We don't know what this "brand loyalty" y'all are talking about is. I genuinely don't. Like intellectually I know but companies have changed to something called "woke" advertising, because when we see designer clothes we think the person wearing them is a fucking idiot who got ripped off. If you wear Channel around a millennial be prepared for a lecture about how the bitch was a Nazi. Because that shit is important to us- and they want to print headlines about we're killing industries. Let them die. Sweatshops, slave labor, and Nazis are bad, and we know that now, so if you want to sell something to us, you have to fucking SELL it or we'll just make it ourselves. I can go to a thrift store and get a sweater off the 5 for $1 rack to frog and make those oversized tunics that in vogue right now for a fraction of what the designers want to sell them for. So that's what we fucking do. "Millennials are killing-" Yeah we are because it needs to fucking die. We've got free youtube tutorials and thrift shops. Watch the fast fashion industry fucking burn.

The reason this is important for this conversation is because that means that fashion is much more diverse and much more focused on things like silhouette, durability, and versatility than it has been since the 1960s. (Sales really are down that much, that's not me talking out my ass.) So yes, trends exist, and yes they are fun- I'm always a slut for fashion, but we tend to use them as guidelines. When I say a pair of boots is "so last season" I'm saying that with snark, not judgement. People can wear those boots right now and no one will bat an eye, because no one ACTUALLY gives a shit anymore.

So find your personal style and use that as your guideline.

Makeup is just as diverse, but again, conventional wisdom is what I'm gonna go with, but seriously, go hogwild. Conventional advice is to avoid heavy make-up looks as you age because of the sophistication thing. As skin ages it creates wrinkles, especially if you're a dumbass who has smoked four cigs as he wrote this- and that creates pockets for heavy foundation to settle into and dry out. So if you're going to wear heavy foundation, get yourself a good primer and a good moisturizer. Use the moisturizer, let it dry- give it a good five minutes. Then use the primer and let it dry, again, another good five minutes. If someone is bitching about how long it takes you to get ready, tell them to fuck off. I'm 26 and when I'm presenting fem it takes me, without exaggeration, 2 hours to leave the house. Everyone knows it so if you show up wanting to leave in 5 minutes it's your fucking fault. It's not a shock. You know how long it takes me to look this good. It's not magic.

After you've got a protective layer that has sealed your skin, it's a blank canvas for you to paint over. As a rule, dark skin hides wrinkles better than light skin, so that's just nature. If you've got a really dark complexion your skin may look fucking flawless, but good luck finding a foundation that works flawlessly without having to mix it. Fortunately, some great black-owned companies have popped up recently and have had a LOT of success, so mainstream drugstore brands are finally starting to copy them because idk I guess they just now realized they want your money? Racism is a bitch and it took them this long to figure out y'all have money I guess? I can't explain this one.

But you can do your normal routine over that base, and if you need inspiration, again, my generation has you covered. The blogosphere is saturated with beauty bloggers showing off new looks, so you might find something you've never thought about before! Also there are lots of resources for DIY makeup because, again, that's just how we roll.

This is really long and I actually have shit to do in meatspace- and again, take everything in this with a grain of salt because I'm actually not that into "conventional" advice. As long as you like how you look, that's what's important. It's your body and you can put anything on it you want as long as it's not offensive (in the sense that you shouldn't wear like, racist T-shirts, not in the sense of "older women shouldn't show cleavage".)

One last thing I guess I can say is that if you're worried about your shape (you said "didn't have the body of someone in their 20s" or something like that) shapewear does exist and you can thrift it. I've gotten a lot of my shapewear that way and I'm trying to change my actual body shape from male to female with overwhelming success. You can definitely use it to change where your fat is stored. Lipids are super malleable- and it improves your posture and circulation. Shaping garments are so good at improving circulation that if you have poor circulation you can actually sometimes get prescriptions for it and get the medical kind. It does the same thing, fashionwise, but it's often ugly. But I mean, you're gonna wear clothes over it anyway and if you're with someone who's judging you after the clothes are off that's a red fucking flag. That's another "tell them to fuck right off" moment.

I think I was fortunate in that I was raised by a whole group of people who had a healthy ability to tell people who didn't like the way they looked to fuck off. I know not everyone has that, but it's a useful skill to have, and something that anyone can develop. The secret really is just liking how you're presenting yourself, so that you can be confident that they really are just as stupid as they objectively are, and remind yourself that you are under no obligation to care what someone so stupid they can't see how objectively good you look thinks. I mean they don't see how beautiful you are so they're fucking stupid. They can gaze upon beauty and not recognize it so why the fuck would you care what they think? You're not invisible- they're fucking blind and that's a personal problem. It's not your job to cure their blindness. You're not Jesus goddamn Christ.

You can't help everybody. And you're too old to put up with their bullshit. You'll find that better people will naturally begin to surround you, because the assholes are now blind to you.

Also, I think that a lot of the time, people like the OP aren't blind to beauty, they're intimidated by it. They have to find someone who's too inexperienced to know that they don't have to put up with bullshit. If you're putting someone else down that says way more about you than whoever you're putting down. That's not just OP. I'm wrong to say that my mom can't wear her hair however she wants just because I don't like it. I'm the asshole there. The difference is that I stand in my truth. I know I'm an asshole. I don't call her "invisible" because my blind ass can't see the beauty in her new color. That shit is on me. Doesn't mean I have to like it, but I know where the responsibility lies. Tell me to fuck right off.

Shit I really do have to go. I'm gonna get in trouble.

But I'll be back. I, too, am enjoying the drift away from shitting on people to talking fashion.
 
Awesome advice, CandiCame!!!! Now to go back and re-read it and think about how to incorporate some of this into my life. Thank you!!!
 
Once again, I'm so touched that you went to such an effort with the fashion advice, CC. I hope you didn't get into any trouble doing it!
 
Once again, I'm so touched that you went to such an effort with the fashion advice, CC. I hope you didn't get into any trouble doing it!

I love talking fashion. I've just got some meatspace shit going on because school was canceled today and I'm home with my kid and I don't want to get distracted on the internet because I'm so bad to do that. That's why I jump on and off. I'm not trying to ignore anyone it's just how life is. And I'm real bad to be on my phone way too much. I'm trying to get better about that.

But like... I've got a minute now. I mostly post while I smoke. So I just write out however much I can and then post like, hours later when I got the whole message. I wrote the first one out because I was scared I would lose my train of thought and I was trying to answer a question and not just bullshiting so I needed to pay attention, I felt like? Like to be respectful or something, idk.

And again, it's not really advice. I'm not an expert or anything, I never got any degrees in fashion design or anything like that. I just am interested in it and like talking about it. Y'all probably know as much as I do. Take anything I say with a grain of salt.

I'm sorry if I was bitchy to the OP, I just really didn't like the way the question was framed. No, women over 50 aren't invisible because they don't pay attention to you. That makes no sense.

There's this podcast called Night Vale that I used to listen to that had this like, fortune cookie thing at the end. And once it said, "Tomorrow you will meet a beautiful stranger. Every person is beautiful and you know almost none of them."

Idk that's a great way to look at fashion. You can get inspiration from anywhere. Because that's true. Everyone has something beautiful and out of the whole planet you know almost no one. It takes nothing to be like, "Oooh, I love that top, what's the story there?"

I don't like comparing people to each other as if they're not all beautiful in some way with different strengths and weaknesses. It's literally impossible for a whole group of people to just dissapear (I spelled that so wrong that spellcheck can't pick up on it) without more than one person noticing.

If we are converting this into a fashion thread, does anyone do any DIY stuff? I design and make most of my own clothes so I'm always down for that too.

That's something else that I forgot to mention in my first post, at least not in detail, but if you take your measurements and then tailor any fitted clothes so that they actually fit your body you'll look 1,000x better. And it's pretty easy to do. There are youtube videos that show you how and you can use cheap Ts and stuff until you get confident. The reason a celebrity can look great in a T and jeans isn't because they're particularly pretty even by the Western Beauty Standard, it's because their clothes are tailored to their body.

Stuff is actually not meant to be worn off the rack. That's why if you've ever heard a catty bitch like me call someone an "off the racker" that's what we mean, that they skipped that step and now their clothes don't fit properly. It just looks... like you can tell.

I'm getting kinda into minimalism- I mean I'm not gonna go capsule wardrobe crazy, but that's another thing my generation has fucking run with and I've been doing the KonMari method of tidying. I've gotten rid of so many clothes that there was just no reason for me to have. It helps. I think that because fast fashion was such a big thing for so long and people bought new wardrobes for every season people just can't wear everything they have. Like a human person doesn't live long enough to own 200 pieces and wear every combination of them. So I think that a big part of the reason that people don't know what their style is is because they just... get over-saturated, and overwhelmed, and wind up wearing like the same five outfits most of the time anyway, so unless there's a point to the other outfits they're just sitting there in the closet. And I'm super vain so I know I have good taste and I've come to realize that me hoarding all that good stuff is kind of a dick move. There's somebody my size in a thrift store right now looking for something that's hung, unworn, in my closet for three years. That's not cool of me.
 
This thread is very thoughtful, as a women in her mid 50's I know to well the feeling of being invisible.
 
This thread is very thoughtful, as a women in her mid 50's I know to well the feeling of being invisible.

It’s too bad you feel that way. As a 60’s male, I am most attracted to women over 50. I believe there are loads of us in my boat....you may just not be seeing it....
 
I'm sure you don't have any issues with being invisible. And if you are, those are the guys, or ladies, that you don't really want to be with right?
 
Absolutely not. I'm currently involved with a gorgeous 51 yr old woman who is the most beautiful, most intelligent, most cultured, most interesting and sexiest woman I have ever known. I was fascinated by her the first time I saw her. She's a fully grown, fully developed person who knows what she wants and isn't afraid to go after it.
 
I hope that women over 50 aren't invisible. I'll be there in a few short years and don't want to disapear...
 
I am actively seeking a lady who is 15 years older to me and younger than 60....I am currently 34 yrs old
 
"French author, 50, says women over 50 are too old to love
Yann Moix, a prize-winning novelist, says women of same age are ‘invisible’ to him."

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That's bullshit. Women over 50 are wonderful. I think many women, I know it's not all, develop kinder hearts as they get older. I love being with kind hearted women.
 
If you feel old at 50 you will act old. For me it's connecting to my inner child and find things amazing and exciting. It not all clothing but it is a part of it. Do just want to do the same thing you are used to or if someone throws a new idea are you open to it?

Being young is a state of mind.
 
I turned 50 last summer. I’m finding that I’ve had more attention than ever before! Maybe because I’m finally starting to feel sexy! Even with the extra 10lbs I’ve put on in my mid section 😉

Another good point about older women. They're more confident about themselves and I find that sexy.
 
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