Report: Trump is about to fold, lose his wall fight leverage & give in on shut-down

[coati]

She is ideologically/culturally.

I think you are talking about Middle Amerika, not Middle America.

But that does not matter in the context of this discussion. When you represent Amerika and you lose Ann Coulter, you are toast. And there is no way he can win Coulter back, because he will not be allowed to give up on his big beautiful wall, and he will not be allowed to give anything in exchange for his big beautiful wall. Mama won't stand for either.

Rock and a hard place.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In Mississippi perhaps.

In everywhere not New England, Chicago, Denver, Minneapolis, Santa Fe and the left coast.

 

[Adre]

In everywhere not New England, Chicago, Denver, Minneapolis, Santa Fe and the left coast.

A gross exaggeration. Extreme right wing is not the same as slightly right of center and you know it.

Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania just elected moderate Democrats.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think you are talking about Middle Amerika, not Middle America.

Same thing.

But that does not matter in the context of this discussion.

No, but it was brought up so it's getting discussed all the same.

When you represent Amerika and you lose Ann Coulter, you are toast. And there is no way he can win Coulter back, because he will not be allowed to give up on his big beautiful wall, and he will not be allowed to give anything in exchange for his big beautiful wall. Mama won't stand for either.

Rock and a hard place.

Well, that's because Ann Coulter represents middle America.

And Middle America wants border security....Trump put on a tough guy act, shot his mouth off and in the end pussed out.

Ann ain't got shit to do with the fact that Trump just pulled a political gun out and instead of just keeping it pointed at Pelosi, he managed to shoot himself in the dick with it. And tbh I figured she would have just licked his ass on that one...so she gets the kudos nod from me for calling him out on it instead of trying to cover for him like some other partisan cucks.

His whole presidency was totally dependent on riding out that shut down for either a 2/3's vote or a fully funded border patrol the second he started down that path. It's fuckin' over.

I hope the (D)'s got something better than "Fuck republicans...and white people, especially the men. " and bastardized republican policy this time around or we'll be back here in 4 more.

 

[BotanyBoy]

A gross exaggeration. Extreme right wing is not the same as slightly right of center and you know it.

Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania just elected moderate Democrats.

Not a gross exaggeration.
http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/bRgO6.png


Who's Extreme right wing?

 

[Adre]

Not a gross exaggeration.

Who's Extreme right wing?

Coulter, Hannity, David Duke, Limbaugh, Steve King.

 

[jaF0]

Annie KKKoulter and Lush Wimpaugh might make a good KKKouple. But I'm not sure Lush likes women. And I'm not sure Annie's a woman.


Hmmm, maybe they would get along then.

 

[Adre]

Not a gross exaggeration.
http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/bRgO6.png


Who's Extreme right wing?

Proves nothing. Fewer than 1 of 4 eligible voters went Republican in 2016.

 

[coati]

And Middle America wants border security....Trump put on a tough guy act, shot his mouth off and in the end pussed out.

Yeah, Middle America wants border security, but then they see pictures of migrants going over, under, and around "slatted barriers" and understand that border security involves way more than throwing money at a wall just to fulfill a campaign promise or re-open the government. Once again, Trump just jumps into an issue without considering all the variables (including the ones that are not purely political), paints himself into a corner, and then whines about how unfair people are being toward him.

It's only Middle Amerika that is obsessing about Trump's unrealistic campaign promise about a Mexican-funded wall. Middle America is a bit smarter, and that was reflected in the mid-term election, where Ann Coulter's opinions did not carry the day.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Coulter, Hannity, David Duke, Limbaugh, Steve King.

LMFAO!!! Coulter is not extreme right wing, she's pretty textbook neo-con with a dash of classical liberalism.

King and Duke are.

Hannity is a media tool and Limbaugh is a provocative troll of a media personality but neither is an extremist in their political views...pretty run of the mill conservatives.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Proves nothing.

Proves the middle, between the two blue coasts, is mostly red....like I said and you called a gross exaggeration.

Fewer than 1 of 4 eligible voters went Republican in 2016.

Yes, tell us more about the all important popular vote.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Once again, Trump just jumps into an issue without considering all the variables (including the ones that are not purely political), paints himself into a corner, and then whines about how unfair people are being toward him.

Yea....that's practically what I just said and think that's why he's going to lose his job.

It's only Middle Amerika that is obsessing about Trump's unrealistic campaign promise about a Mexican-funded wall.

That's just wildly untrue.

Both sides the Trumpers and the TDS sufferers have been yammering incessantly about the shit for years now.

 

[coati]

That's just wildly untrue.

Both sides the Trumpers and the TDS sufferers have been yammering incessantly about the shit for years now.

No, the latest bunch of Democrats who were elected did not run their campaigns focused on the wall or on the "migrant crisis". That was Donald's thing, and he lost big in the people's House.

For the most part, Democratic Congressional candidates took Nancy's advice and ran on stuff that affects the everyday lives of people, such as healthcare. Donald has cried wolf so many times that most people ignore him. You can only get so far with motivating people with fear, particularly when your credibility is as thin as Donald's.

 

[pointless]

Proves nothing. Fewer than 1 of 4 eligible voters went Republican in 2016.

it's also worth noting that trump only won michigan 47.6% to clintons 47.3%, so it wasn't like it was a landslide.

also, there were a fair few here who were pissed about bernie not being the democratic nom. he won the caucus here, after all.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, the latest bunch of Democrats who were elected did not run their campaigns focused on the wall or on the "migrant crisis".

"Obsessing" was the standard YOU set.

It's only Middle Amerika that is obsessing about Trump's unrealistic campaign promise about a Mexican-funded wall.

You never said anything about what anyone was running on or the "migrant crisis", now you're just running around with a goal post.

 

[coati]

National emergency?

Gosh. Golly.

Now it looks like it might be difficult for the Stable Genius to defend a declaration of national emergency in court, if he decides to go that route in order to build his big, beautiful, Mexican-financed wall on the southern border. His own security advisors did not identify migration as being among our highest priority security concerns during their testimony yesterday.

What I don't understand is why the Genius needs to get funding from Congress or declare a national political emergency in the first place. After all, he promised that the construction bill for the wall is being paid by Mexico.

 

[Oblimo]

There have been, what, 30 or 40 Prsidential declarations of national emergency since the passage of the National Emergency Act back in the 70s.

Have any of those been litigated over? This may be pure uncharted territory.

Nevertheless, considering he's waiting for the "normal process" of funding to produce results before resorting to the NEA, his national emergency isn't exact emergent, is it?

 

[jaF0]

Wonder if Congress could declare one to extract Vlad's hand from Donny's ass?

https://rlv.zcache.co.uk/putins_puppet_poster-r5d03865b93ad4adb9ceed982b7cb758e_aesd_8byvr_324.jpg

 

[Oblimo]

Proves nothing. Fewer than 1 of 4 eligible voters went Republican in 2016.

It means nothing for even more important reasons. I'd like to belabor pointless' point.

For example if in each red state, Trump earned more votes than Clinton by a ratio of 5:1, then it would be safe to say that the US is squarely conservative and what the GOP has been doing shouldn't be considered "extreme".

But if you look at the margins of victory, especially in purple states, it turns out they are quite thin.

Add to that the fact that Clinton won the popular vote, and voter fraud was negligible, and the comparison of approval to disapproval ratings for Trump, I think you can get away with calling his positions extreme right wing, even though a supermajority of people in this county who identify as right wing approve of his job.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Add to that the fact that Clinton won the popular vote, and voter fraud was negligible, and the comparison of approval to disapproval ratings for Trump, I think you can get away with calling his positions extreme right wing

1) none of those things have a fucking thing to do with how far right Trump is.

2) The left shifting further left doesn't make center right extreme, though the far left will pretend as much.

Nothing he's done is extreme right wing.

 

[Adre]

1) none of those things have a fucking thing to do with how far right Trump is.

2) The left shifting further left doesn't make center right extreme, though the far left will pretend as much.

Nothing he's done is extreme right wing.

True, but he was pleasing the right wing nonetheless. Until. He. Caved.

 

[DeluxAuto]

1) none of those things have a fucking thing to do with how far right Trump is.

2) The left shifting further left doesn't make center right extreme, though the far left will pretend as much.

Nothing he's done is extreme right wing.

You really need to update your definitions of Left and Right. No one in this day and age is looking to the history books for textbook definitions of left and right.

The Clintons and Obama are Left, Bernie is Extreme Left.
Trump is an extreme version of Right while Romney is more moderate Right.

You're only confusing yourself when you try to use textbook definitions for the current political players.

 

[Shagly]

I thought he was going to start a war with Venezuela?

 

[HisArpy]

You really need to update your definitions of Left and Right. No one in this day and age is looking to the history books for textbook definitions of left and right.

The Clintons and Obama are Left, Bernie is Extreme Left.
Trump is an extreme version of Right while Romney is more moderate Right.

You're only confusing yourself when you try to use textbook definitions for the current political players.

Riiiiight.

Because when words actually mean something other than what you want to believe, you just make up shit.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Riiiiight.

Because when words actually mean something other than what you want to believe, you just make up shit.

Your comprehension skills are only rivaled by your ability to think critically.