McConnell blocking legislation to reopen government

[someoneyouknow]

Claiming political stunts won't get them anywhere, Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell pulled a political stunt by not allowing any legislation to reopen the government come to the Senate floor.

McConnell said it was the fault of the Democrats, who have introduced several pieces of budgetary legislation in the House to reopen the government, because they refuse to come to the table.

McConnell has made clear that he won't take up any legislation related to the shutdown in the Senate that President Donald Trump won't sign. And the President has dug in in his refusal to sign legislation that does not meet his demand for roughly $5 billion for a border wall, which Democrats refuse to provide.

In other words, two years ago when the House and Senate were controlled by Republicans and there were 90 votes in the Senate lined up to vote on a bill to provide border security, McConnell never brought the bill up even though it was veto proof.

But now when Democrats propose legislation to reopen the government, McConnell is claiming they're doing a political stunt while he refuses to allow even a vote on the measures.

Gotta love hypocrisy.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/senate-blocks-vote-congress-shutdown/index.html

 

[jomar]

Yeah, never liked that guy at all.

 

[Veroe]

Can't stand the guy. That Mitch is a partisan son of a bitch. However Mitch is really really really good at being a partisan son of a bitch. Too damned good at it if you ask me.

 

[JackLuis]

McConnell got ‘kicked in the forehead’ by Trump over wall shutdown: Former GOP aide

An aide to former GOP House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) who worked through four government shutdowns explained to Meet The Press Friday how Donald Trump made this one so much worse.

“One of Mitch McConnell‘s favorite sayings is there is no education in the second kick of a mule,” Michael Steel, the former aide to Boehner and In this case, he got kicked by President Trump square in the forehead at the outset of this shutdown.”

Wait until Bob kicks him in the NUTS! over all those Rubels in his campaign account!

 

[10NadNuder]

McConnell got ‘kicked in the forehead’ by Trump over wall shutdown: Former GOP aide

As a lifelong Ohioan, I can tell you the aide was that smart (& probably knows a lot more), but also knows John has always been a Boehner-head.

Also, Mitch likes sayings about mules b/c he is like them... Very stubborn, & thinks he is doing the right thing by stubbornly staying behind Trump.

https://petitions.moveon.org/p/e_aVV_CYkt8

 

[Veroe]

As a lifelong Ohioan, I can tell you the aide was that smart (& probably knows a lot more), but also knows John has always been a Boehner-head.

Also, Mitch likes sayings about mules b/c he is like them... Very stubborn, & thinks he is doing the right thing by stubbornly staying behind Trump.

https://petitions.moveon.org/p/e_aVV_CYkt8

That's funny I'd have thought he would have associated more with turtles since he looks so much like one. Not the teenage ninja variety ofcourse….though he could be a mutant turtle...hmmm.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

How is McConnell blocking legislation to reopen the government when the Democrats won't write the legislation needed to reopen the government? (Use a little thought on here and don't just say: He won't move the bill along. It's not going to get signed.)

The lines have been drawn: Wall/No Wall. All or nothing.

Right now, both sides are blocking legislation that could reopen the government.

 

[Veroe]

How is McConnell blocking legislation to reopen the government when the Democrats won't write the legislation needed to reopen the government? (Use a little thought on here and don't just say: He won't move the bill along. It's not going to get signed.)

The lines have been drawn: Wall/No Wall. All or nothing.

Right now, both sides are blocking legislation that could reopen the government.

He's blocking it because he said he won't even bring one up that doesn't have Trump's wall money in it.

He knows he'd risk Trump's and his MAGA flock's ire if he did, and the one thing he's vulnerable to in getting reelected is a primary challenger to the right of him. Like someone backed by Trump saying he was soft on border security would be.

So all those gov't. workers don't get paid and the gov't itself suffers without funding because Mitch is too cowardly to stand up be the adult to Trump while he's kicking and screaming on the floor having his temper tantrum about getting his wall.

The democrats aren't blocking it at all. They just want to fund the gov't and discuss border security like funding for Trump's stupid wall in a separate bill. Trump, McConnell, and Republicans are the ones blocking this because they've backed themselves into a corner with no way to compromise or make a deal out of that corner.

 

[Veroe]

How is McConnell blocking legislation to reopen the government when the Democrats won't write the legislation needed to reopen the government? (Use a little thought on here and don't just say: He won't move the bill along. It's not going to get signed.)

The lines have been drawn: Wall/No Wall. All or nothing.

Right now, both sides are blocking legislation that could reopen the government.

Here you go: the answer for you better said than I could provided that it doesn't mention McConnell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPo66iqw99Q

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

He's blocking it because he said he won't even bring one up that doesn't have Trump's wall money in it.

He knows he'd risk Trump's and his MAGA flock's ire if he did, and the one thing he's vulnerable to in getting reelected is a primary challenger to the right of him. Like someone backed by Trump saying he was soft on border security would be.

So all those gov't. workers don't get paid and the gov't itself suffers without funding because Mitch is too cowardly to stand up be the adult to Trump while he's kicking and screaming on the floor having his temper tantrum about getting his wall.

The democrats aren't blocking it at all. They just want to fund the gov't and discuss border security like funding for Trump's stupid wall in a separate bill. Trump, McConnell, and Republicans are the ones blocking this because they've backed themselves into a corner with no way to compromise or make a deal out of that corner.

Trump has made it clear: It's a wall or nothing. The Dems know what they have to do. Bringing Trump something that he says he won't sign is pointless. The Dems are educated - all of those politicians are - so what about Trump's conditions don't they understand? Give him his wall or nothing goes through. It's all or nothing.

Both sides are to blame.

And as I've said, I get the politics behind it. I blame both sides (and I know both sides disagree with me on that).

 

[Veroe]

Trump has made it clear: It's a wall or nothing. The Dems know what they have to do. Bringing Trump something that he says he won't sign is pointless. The Dems are educated - all of those politicians are - so what about Trump's conditions don't they understand? Give him his wall or nothing goes through. It's all or nothing.

Both sides are to blame.

And as I've said, I get the politics behind it. I blame both sides (and I know both sides disagree with me on that).

No he's to blame for being unwilling to compromise. He could get his funding for his wall if he tried making a deal by offering protection for the DACA kids or the Haitians that came here after that earthquake a few years ago to Nancy and Chuck. That's how the sausage gets made in DC, but he doesn't want that. He wants to win and humiliate the other side, and he doesn't care who becomes collateral damage in the process.

Don't tell me any of this both sides nonsense. He said it before Christmas this shutdown is his fault. He took responsibility for it. He's the one holding it up. This shut down is his fault.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

No he's to blame for being unwilling to compromise. He could get his funding for his wall if he tried making a deal by offering protection for the DACA kids or the Haitians that came here after that earthquake a few years ago to Nancy and Chuck. That's how the sausage gets made in DC, but he doesn't want that. He wants to win and humiliate the other side, and he doesn't care who becomes collateral damage in the process.

Don't tell me any of this both sides nonsense. He said it before Christmas this shutdown is his fault. He took responsibility for it. He's the one holding it up. This shut down is his fault.

Of course he took responsibility: He's Trump. He thinks taking responsibility makes him look strong and in charge. It was a stupid thing to say - he does that.

But that doesn't make it entirely so. He said (Paraphrasing probably): These are my terms, meet them or I will shut the government down. It was a stupid way for him to word this, but Trump has to be in control.

There are a lot of people who take full responsibility when they don't have to.

I don't let his ego get in the way of how I view this. If Pelosi came out and said: "No, it's my responsibility," I wouldn't have put the blame solely on her either.

 

[10NadNuder]

Trump has made it clear: It's a wall or nothing. The Dems know what they have to do. Bringing Trump something that he says he won't sign is pointless. The Dems are educated - all of those politicians are - so what about Trump's conditions don't they understand? Give him his wall or nothing goes through. It's all or nothing.

Give Trump his wall $ or nothing goes through... Until Mueller's full report is filed, Trump ceases to have power in DC, & VPence reopens the government.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Ogden, Utah is feeling the pain of the shutdown. With 5,000 federal workers not working, local businesses are having to scrape by.

Anna Davidson said business at her restaurant is down by half. She's already slashed employee hours and is now covering payroll with her personal savings.

"It's a loss, it's gone," she said. "This trickles out and affects everything."

Mayor Mike Caldwell said declining sales means a big drop in tax revenue. He's prepared to cut back city services if he has to. When asked how much this could impact the city financially, he said the hit could be in the "millions of dollars," adding it would be "devastating for a community our size."
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(Trickle down doesn't work?)

As I have said elsewhere, those who voted for the con artist should understand their actions have consequences. Welcome to the consequences.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ogden-utah-feels-the-strain-of-the-shutdown-with-thousands-of-furloughed-workers/

 

[someoneyouknow]

Typical Republicans thinking going into debt is the answer. The con artist's chief economic advisor said on the Fox tabloid that federal employees who aren't getting aid "should contact their supervisors in order to help them with the federal credit unions making low-interest loans and so on."

But really, should this in any way be surprising? The con artist isn't known as the King of Debt for nothing.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-chief-economic-adviser-to-federal-workers-get-a-loan/

 

[KeithD]

Ogden, Utah is feeling the pain of the shutdown. With 5,000 federal workers not working, local businesses are having to scrape by.

Anna Davidson said business at her restaurant is down by half. She's already slashed employee hours and is now covering payroll with her personal savings.

"It's a loss, it's gone," she said. "This trickles out and affects everything."

Mayor Mike Caldwell said declining sales means a big drop in tax revenue. He's prepared to cut back city services if he has to. When asked how much this could impact the city financially, he said the hit could be in the "millions of dollars," adding it would be "devastating for a community our size."
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(Trickle down doesn't work?)

As I have said elsewhere, those who voted for the con artist should understand their actions have consequences. Welcome to the consequences.

Who did these people vote for in 2016? And then for Congress in 2018?

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

McConnell is an enemy of the American People. He's willing to let millions of Americans suffer rather than simply ALLOW OF VOTE of legislation that he already knows would pass.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Who did these people vote for in 2016? And then for Congress in 2018?

In a red state that helped elect President Trump, many here support border security. They just never thought financing a border wall more than 800 miles to the south would hit so close to home.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

Those who didn't vote against him should accept the consequences.

The consequences for not trusting either Hillary or Trump means: I get fucked either way.

Those are the consequences and I have no choice but to accept them.

You Dems and Dem supporters think this is a one-way street, but it's not. Your party is holding the blame on this screw-up as well, so you can accept that or not, and continue to show your one-sided bias whenever you post a statement.

The last Independent who had a chance to win was Ross Perot and he blinked, since then ... jackasses.

Telling me to vote for Trump is like stabbing one eye and telling me to vote for Hilary is like stabbing the other ... but Trump did win (and I'll take that over Hilary any day) ... but it doesn't mean I have to like it, what it does mean is that I won't fight to hold the US back for 4 to 8 years because I'm bitter about not having a Candidate worth voting for. Give me a strong non Republican and non Democrat and I'll cast my vote for them.

The Dems have made their position clear: Fight Trump as much as they can and that is wrong.

 

[KeithD]

In a red state that helped elect President Trump, many here support border security. They just never thought financing a border wall more than 800 miles to the south would hit so close to home.

Border security and a big, beautiful wall aren't the same thing, no matter how the Trumpettes try to depict them that way and lie about those not wanting a wall thereby not wanting border security.

The eminent domain fight (mainly against rancher rednecks who supported Trump) is going to be lovely--especially since when they could get around to it, Trump will probably be out of office.

 

[navytime09]

So one of the things I am seeing floated around is a trade for wall funding in exchange for DACA protection.

How does everyone feel on this?

How can Trump succumb to pressure from right wing media and shut down the government for not getting his wall and then approve amnesty for almost 3/4 of a million illegals? Is this an actual solution republicans can support?

Also, it is still being contested in the courts. Should democrats risk it there or just go ahead and take an offer on the table? Of course this needs to be a solid offer of full citizenship and not a two year or 18 month push.

Seriously, wondering on what you all think.

 

[phrodeau]

So one of the things I am seeing floated around is a trade for wall funding in exchange for DACA protection.

How does everyone feel on this?

How can Trump succumb to pressure from right wing media and shut down the government for not getting his wall and then approve amnesty for almost 3/4 of a million illegals? Is this an actual solution republicans can support?

Also, it is still being contested in the courts. Should democrats risk it there or just go ahead and take an offer on the table? Of course this needs to be a solid offer of full citizenship and not a two year or 18 month push.

Seriously, wondering on what you all think.

The wall that Trump wants is simply a bad idea, like Sarah Palin's bridge to nowhere.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

So one of the things I am seeing floated around is a trade for wall funding in exchange for DACA protection.

How does everyone feel on this?

How can Trump succumb to pressure from right wing media and shut down the government for not getting his wall and then approve amnesty for almost 3/4 of a million illegals? Is this an actual solution republicans can support?

Also, it is still being contested in the courts. Should democrats risk it there or just go ahead and take an offer on the table? Of course this needs to be a solid offer of full citizenship and not a two year or 18 month push.

Seriously, wondering on what you all think.

Eligibility
To be eligible, recipients must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not currently provide permanent lawful status or a path to citizenship,[33] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[34]

In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[35][33]

To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:

• Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
• Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
• Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
• Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
• Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
• Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
  [*]Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety

To show proof of qualification (verify these requirements), applicants must submit three forms; I-821D, Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals; I-765, Application for Employment Authorization; and I-765WS Worksheet, as well as supporting documentation.[33]




https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

It's called a compromise (and they still must meet the eligibility requirements) then I see no reason not to give them a pathway to citizenship, the same as other would-be citizens. The overall goal is not to keep people out, but to control who comes in. Sometimes you have to accept things that have already happened in order to move forward. I can live without a wall, but I can live with a wall too.

The wall is about border control (should be) but instead of considering it a grand solution, it should have been presented as part of a solution. It makes both a symbolic statement as well as physical barrier (In my opinion the symbolism has more meaning than the physical obstruction). Is it the right way to go: Who the fuck knows until it's done. ... Was dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan the right way to go .... you can still find people debating it, but it happened.

My biggest concern is for the people getting fucked by these games and how much our elected leaders don't care about them.

 

[navytime09]

Eligibility
To be eligible, recipients must have entered the United States before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007, be currently in school, a high school graduate or be honorably discharged from the military, be under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012, and not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor or three other misdemeanors, or otherwise pose a threat to national security. The program does not currently provide permanent lawful status or a path to citizenship,[33] nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid.[34]

In August 2012, the Migration Policy Institute estimated that as many as 1.76 million people could be eligible for DACA. Of those, 28% were under 15 and would have to wait until reaching that age to apply. In addition, roughly 20% did not meet any of the education criteria, but could become eligible by enrolling in a program before submitting their application. 74% of the eligible population was born in Mexico or Central America. Smaller proportions came from Caribbean and South America (11%), Asia (9%), and the rest of the world (6%).[35][33]

To qualify for DACA, applicants must meet the following major requirements, although meeting them does not guarantee approval:

• Came to the United States before their 16th birthday
• Have lived continuously in the United States since June 15, 2007
• Were under age 31 on June 15, 2012 (born on June 16, 1981 or after)
• Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making their request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS
• Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012
• Have completed high school or a GED, have been honorably discharged from the armed forces, or are enrolled in school
  [*]Have not been convicted of a felony or serious misdemeanors, or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety

To show proof of qualification (verify these requirements), applicants must submit three forms; I-821D, Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals; I-765, Application for Employment Authorization; and I-765WS Worksheet, as well as supporting documentation.[33]




https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html

It's called a compromise (and they still must meet the eligibility requirements) then I see no reason not to give them a pathway to citizenship, the same as other would-be citizens. The overall goal is not to keep people out, but to control who comes in. Sometimes you have to accept things that have already happened in order to move forward. I can live without a wall, but I can live with a wall too.

The wall is about border control (should be) but instead of considering it a grand solution, it should have been presented as part of a solution. It makes both a symbolic statement as well as physical barrier (In my opinion the symbolism has more meaning than the physical obstruction). Is it the right way to go: Who the fuck knows until it's done. ... Was dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan the right way to go .... you can still find people debating it, but it happened.

My biggest concern is for the people getting fucked by these games and how much our elected leaders don't care about them.

Thanks for the information. So, this is a concession you can live with? The amnesty blow back is what most republican congress peeps are worried about, IMO. It was a big push back point just a few years ago.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

Thanks for the information. So, this is a concession you can live with? The amnesty blow back is what most republican congress peeps are worried about, IMO. It was a big push back point just a few years ago.

I'm not a Republican. Not a Democrat either. I'm an Independent who likes a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, and some of neither.