White House warns shutdown could carry on after emergency declaration

[Ann_Tagonist]

Bullshit.

See 45s fear mongering appeals to emotion. His absolute reliance upon lies, misinformation and "alternative facts" completely removes any possibility of discussion about the issues - it's just regurgitating the same stupid fear based lies over and over again so he can assuage his ego.

You guys are so full of shit it's beyond belief.

The only people who are afraid are you liberals. Everyone else sees there is a problem and wonders if there is or isn't a solution.

 

[adrina]

The only people who are afraid are you liberals. Everyone else sees there is a problem and wonders if there is or isn't a solution.

Actually no, more people are against the wall and the government shut down than for it.

More alt facts and lies from the ever so reliably idiotic and stupid conservatives that run their lives on fear more than logic.

Go fig.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

Actually no, more people are against the wall and the government shut down than for it.

More alt facts and lies from the ever so reliably idiotic and stupid conservatives that run their lives on fear more than logic.

Go fig.

It must be hard to breath with your head buried in the sand.

 

[adrina]

It must be hard to breath with your head buried in the sand.

"Your post is a great source of irony".

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

"Your post is a great source of irony".

Your posts are a great source of nothing.

 

[adrina]

The non comeback. Next.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

The non comeback. Next.

Do you really want to continue this pointless exchange?

 

[HisArpy]

Actually no, more people are against the wall and the government shut down than for it.

More alt facts and lies from the ever so reliably idiotic and stupid conservatives that run their lives on fear more than logic.

Go fig.

Hmmm...

in the most recent Pew poll, “three-quarters (74 percent) of Republicans and Republican-leaners supported a border wall” and that support had grown substantially in recent months. Conservative Republican support for a wall was up nine points since Trump was elected President (from 71 percent to 80 percent).

Support also grew among moderate and liberal Republicans (from 51 percent to 60 percent).

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigra...der-wall-more-than-the-media-wants-to-believe

That's a bit different from what you're saying so, to be fair...

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters now say the United States should build a wall along the Mexican border to help stop illegal immigration, up from 43% in September and 37% in July of last year. Just as many (48%) still oppose the wall, but that’s been on the decline from 56% in July 2017


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...all_on_the_rise_again_but_not_at_govt_expense

So, while you aren't actually correct that a "majority" of American's oppose the wall, you are correct that a "plurality" currently does. What you don't include is the fact that the percentage difference in the most recent poll is 2% and shrinking.

Nor do you include the fact that an actual majority of Americans (52%) support doing something about immigration.

 

[adrina]

Not in the least. You're a waste of time and space who engages in nothing but trolling for your own entertainment.

And in the meantime...

Insulin rationing...

Uninspected food...

Garbage piling up...

And much much more....

 

[HisArpy]

Not in the least. You're a waste of time and space who engages in nothing but trolling for your own entertainment.

And in the meantime...

Insulin rationing...

Uninspected food...

Garbage piling up...

And much much more....

NONE of those things has ANYTHING to do with public support for building the wall.

What you did was try to deflect to an emotional plea not relevant to the topic. Again.

 

[adrina]

Hmmm...



That's a bit different from what you're saying so, to be fair...



So, while you aren't actually correct that a "majority" of American's oppose the wall, you are correct that a "plurality" currently does. What you don't include is the fact that the percentage difference in the most recent poll is 2% and shrinking.

Nor do you include the fact that an actual majority of Americans (52%) support doing something about immigration.

Rasmussen. I'm not even surprised.



You do realize that the country has both democrats and independents also correct? And that both of those groups do not support the wall. Democrats overwhelmingly do not support thew wall and the majority of independents do not either.

Yes the opposition is not quite as strong as it was a year ago - fear mongering is effective on weak minds. See the republican response for a great example of that.

Overall, only 4 in 10 favor building a wall. Fewer than half our respondents were convinced by the argument that a wall would prevent potential threats from coming into the country and would strengthen U.S. borders. Nearly two-thirds, including 4 in 10 Republicans, were persuaded by the counterargument: Because migrants can always find alternative routes to crossing the border, there are better methods for deterring illegal entry.

linky

But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it.

linky

Only 28% of those polled answered that the border wall should be an immediate priority, while 19% replied it shouldn’t be an immediate priority, and 50% said it shouldn’t be a priority at all.

Of those polled, a vast majority of Democrats—91%—said they didn’t think the wall was an immediate priority or said it was not a priority at all, while 35% of Republicans held that view. Sixty-three percent of Republicans thought the wall was of immediate concern compared to 7% of Democrats.

linky

Ad nauseum.

 

[butters]

I have to chuckle at all the Socialist Democrats on this.

It's really easy to tell them from the rest of us. And yes, despite what you hear in the drive by media, we are still the majority.

The easiest tip to their writing is they won't argue on the subject, but deflect to the emotional side bars. 'You're a racist, you don't care about the kids, you don't care about... blah blah blah.

The rest of us talk about the ISSUE. True border security. Burglar alarms are nice, but as one poster put it, without a front door the burglar alarm is kinda useless.

Those are all pretty obvious, the one that many don't see is the difference between literal and serious. Most of us take Trump seriously, his detractors take him literally to poke holes in what ever they can.

So let's see what kind of fire storm this dab of reality kicks up.

canada wouldn't agree... https://splinternews.com/at-the-canadian-border-theres-no-wall-but-plenty-of-pe-1793862827

and the reason so many refuse to 'debate' the 'issues' is simply because those putting forward such ridiculous, false, misinformed notions have already decided not to listen to truth, genuine facts, genuine information about these same situations - not gonna waste much time on such people.

Bullshit.

See 45s fear mongering appeals to emotion. His absolute reliance upon lies, misinformation and "alternative facts" completely removes any possibility of discussion about the issues - it's just regurgitating the same stupid fear based lies over and over again so he can assuage his ego.

You guys are so full of shit it's beyond belief.

he talks to his voter base like they're total idiots - and they just keep on sucking it right on up

 

[adrina]

NONE of those things has ANYTHING to do with public support for building the wall.

What you did was try to deflect to an emotional plea not relevant to the topic. Again.

So... listing the realities of what is going on because of the shutdown is an emotional appeal? No wonder you guys are morons. Let me guess, you're one of these rubes that thinks Trump's display the other night was fact based and logical.

You're a bad parody.

 

[adrina]

he talks to his voter base like they're total idiots - and they just keep on sucking it right on up

And they keep proving they are - over and over and over again.

 

[coati]

NONE of those things has ANYTHING to do with public support for building the wall.

What you did was try to deflect to an emotional plea not relevant to the topic. Again.

All of those things have EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Trump could not garner this support for his wall when Republicans held both the House and the Senate, and now is proving that he can't even keep the basics of government functioning.

Your man is isolated a bunker that has more to do with the Mueller investigation than "public support for building the wall".

 

[someoneyouknow]

When one only knows failure, having something shut down is the default position.

 

[HisArpy]

So... listing the realities of what is going on because of the shutdown is an emotional appeal? No wonder you guys are morons. Let me guess, you're one of these rubes that thinks Trump's display the other night was fact based and logical.

You're a bad parody.

Listen carefully...

THE WALL is not the government shutdown.

THE SHUTDOWN is because D's won't fund the wall.

These are not the same thing though they are inter-related. When you inject something from one side into the debate on the other, you confuse and conflate the 2 different things.

So, in a nutshell, "listing the realities of what is going on" has NOTHING TO DO WITH the percentage of the American population who support/don't support building the wall.

What you attempt to do is appeal to the emotions rather than debate the facts. Worse, your emotional appeal merely points out the hypocrisy of you wanting the government to "protect America" by cleaning up your mess while at the same time disavowing the ability of the government to "protect America" from criminal aliens.

Which is about what I expect from someone who uses emotional appeal in a fact-based debate.

 

[adrina]

Listen carefully...

THE WALL is not the government shutdown.

THE SHUTDOWN is because D's won't fund the wall.

These are not the same thing though they are inter-related. When you inject something from one side into the debate on the other, you confuse and conflate the 2 different things.

So, in a nutshell, "listing the realities of what is going on" has NOTHING TO DO WITH the percentage of the American population who support/don't support building the wall.

What you attempt to do is appeal to the emotions rather than debate the facts. Worse, your emotional appeal merely points out the hypocrisy of you wanting the government to "protect you" by cleaning up your own mess while at the same time disavowing the ability of the government to "protect you" from criminal aliens.

Which is about what I expect from someone who uses emotional appeal in a fact-based debate.

No the shut down is because Trump listened to the pundits of Fox news and other conservative media telling him he was folding, caving and blinking by agreeing to sign the bipartisan agreement.

Your revisionist history withstanding, Trump sat on national tv in a ridiculous display and said point blank "I will shut down the government". And he did.

It's not on democrats. Trump and the spineless GOP that refuse to check him and instead kowtow to the baby are completely responsible for this. That you deny this basic reality just proves my point that you are a complete moron.

And again, the statement of facts of what is occurring as a result of the shut down is not an appeal to emotion. It is a statement of facts. Period. Just because you don't understand that does not make it less true.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

Not in the least. You're a waste of time and space who engages in nothing but trolling for your own entertainment.

And in the meantime...

Insulin rationing...

Uninspected food...

Garbage piling up...

And much much more....

None of that affects me, but then, I don't rely on the government to wipe my butt.

 

[HisArpy]

All of those things have EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Trump could not garner this support for his wall when Republicans held both the House and the Senate, and now is proving that he can't even keep the basics of government functioning.

Your man is isolated a bunker that has more to do with the Mueller investigation than "public support for building the wall".

Lol.

Trump laid out the ground rules for immigration reform to the R majority in the Congress. They failed to deliver.

That's not Trump's fault and the R's paid for it in the mid-terms.

Now, Trump is laying out the ground rules to the D majority in the House. He wants funding or he's not going to sign the bill.

The D's are vacationing in Puerto Rico while Adrina's list of shutdown horrors goes on.

Yet you say it's Trump's fault.

That is so ignorant on your part I can't describe it.

 

[HisArpy]

No the shut down is because Trump listened to the pundits of Fox news and other conservative media telling him he was folding, caving and blinking by agreeing to sign the bipartisan agreement.

Your revisionist history withstanding, Trump sat on national tv in a ridiculous display and said point blank "I will shut down the government". And he did.

It's not on democrats. Trump and the spineless GOP that refuse to check him and instead kowtow to the baby are completely responsible for this. That you deny this basic reality just proves my point that you are a complete moron.

And again, the statement of facts of what is occurring as a result of the shut down is not an appeal to emotion. It is a statement of facts. Period. Just because you don't understand that does not make it less true.

Lol to you too.

Trump does what every good American should be doing, he's watching the news and forming opinions based on what he sees/hears.

You seem to think he's a puppet for 1 media outlet. A media outlet which seems to not agree with him on the shutdown.

Which totally blows your puppet theory.

The rest is nothing but "I hate Trump" ranting and confusion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

LOL at you defending Trump.

Being able to read = defending Trump??

Your TDS has gotten worse over night.

LOLLLZZZ

This is who's running the country, folks. Carla Provost. She probably makes $40,000/K a year and she gets to tell Strong Man Trump what to do.

Well, her and Ann Coulter:

Where do you come up with this shit??

Trump lets his domestic policy be run by female border patrol agents and pundits,

You're absolutely insane with TDS.



But you still haven't answered my question.

Do you think POTUS should support his offices so that they can do their job for POTUS or not?

 

[adrina]

Lol to you too.

Trump does what every good American should be doing, he's watching the news and forming opinions based on what he sees/hears.

You seem to think he's a puppet for 1 media outlet. A media outlet which seems to not agree with him on the shutdown.

Which totally blows your puppet theory.

The rest is nothing but "I hate Trump" ranting and confusion.

Keep making excuses for Trump's spineless and ego driven "leadership".

Unbelievable. Honestly he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and you would rationalize it as patriotic and appropriate.

And in the meantime, real effects with real costs for Americans keep accruing while you dismiss it as emotional appeals.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The D's are vacationing in Puerto Rico while Adrina's list of shutdown horrors goes on.

Yet you say it's Trump's fault.

That is so ignorant on your part I can't describe it.

I don't think her or CF have any idea how the US government works.

No the shut down is because Trump listened to the pundits of Fox news and other conservative media telling him he was folding, caving and blinking by agreeing to sign the bipartisan agreement.

And they are right.

It's not on democrats.

Who's running the House of Representatives then? Last I checked it was the (D)'z.

Trump and the spineless GOP that refuse to check him and instead kowtow to the baby are completely responsible for this. That you deny this basic reality just proves my point that you are a complete moron.

This one is the richest of them all, calling others complete morons while putting on full display you have no idea how things in the US government work.

In the case of passing a budget they can't check him.....POTUS checks congress in the bill making department, NOT the other way around.

Did you fail HS civics?? Did you even take HS civics??

 

[Oblimo]

Trump does what every good American should be doing, he's watching the news and forming opinions based on what he sees/hears.

Of all the bullshit you've spewed, this is the bulliest.

Cheetolini is paying more attention to televised news than his briefings from the actual people making that news.

That is not a good thing.