White House warns shutdown could carry on after emergency declaration

[BotanyBoy]

No...he "basically" asked what she needed in return for the wall. She said this discussion was about reopening the Govt...not building the wall. And he said there is nothing to talk about then and got up and walked out. But Comrade...we know what side you are on...those that support a traitor...are traitors.

trump states a lot of things. like he would happily accept the mantle for shutting down the gov't - and has since done anything and everything but. he was holding those out-of-work/working-without-pay-till later (if then) hostage for pelosi to 'grant' him what he wanted. this is NOT right, not when the house and senate both previously agreed on funds and how to move forward with regards to border security without any damned wall.

yup


double yup

It's not FAIR !!!!!

HE should be forced to do whatever the (D)'s want!!!!

CHECKS AND BALANCES IS FASCIST RACISM!!!

LMFAO!
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[butters]

It's not FAIR !!!!!

HE should be forced to do whatever the (D)'s want!!!!

CHECKS AND BALANCES IS FASCIST RACISM!!!

LMFAO!
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you are such a sad sad tool; you really have lost all kind of contact with reality.

 

[adrina]

you are such a sad sad tool; you really have lost all kind of contact with reality.

Apparently he - among others - believe we should do what Trump wants - regardless that the majority of the American public does not want to.

 

[butters]

Apparently he - among others - believe we should do what Trump wants - regardless that the majority of the American public does not want to.

it's a shame, really: once, he wasn't so bad, was a little more open about his circumstances/experiences, a bit self-deprecatory, and could even be funny on occasion. over the years his posting style has devolved to a semblance of ever-increasing ratio of drug-fried brain cells to working ones, total bitterness towards government and fellow man, misogynistic outbursts & paranoia... so much so that what he posts now is all so much background noise like the real human behind it's lost, much like BB - a caricature of his former self.

in my opinion, he likely doesn't even think about or believe half of what he types, he just types sit for shitssake, having nothing better to do with his life.

 

[bellisarius]

(Song parody)

"How dumb is this thread, this thread, this thread?"

Of course the damn shut down will continue even if Trump capitulates or invokes 'National Security.' Congress still has to act and that will require debate, compromise, sell outs and hand outs. Do you not know how the government works?

Nobody is going to starve or be thrown out on the street. I know it, you know it, and they know it. They've been inconvenienced is all that's happening. The 'hand wringers' are no more than political fodder. It's not as if they didn't have a 'heads up' on this.

I do find it interesting that it is primarily those that are unaffected are the ones going hyperbolic on this. Perhaps you might be better served by learning a lesson from the shutdown and bothering to get your own house in order because in all probability the shit is going to hit the fan in your own life and you won't even have the warning the workers that you're so in 'solidarity' with had.

You can find my sympathy in the dictionary, it's between Shit and Syphilis.

 

[adrina]

^^^^^

it's a shame, really: once, he wasn't so bad, was a little more open about his circumstances/experiences, a bit self-deprecatory, and could even be funny on occasion. over the years his posting style has devolved to a semblance of ever-increasing ratio of drug-fried brain cells to working ones, total bitterness towards government and fellow man, misogynistic outbursts & paranoia... so much so that what he posts now is all so much background noise like the real human behind it's lost, much like BB - a caricature of his former self.

in my opinion, he likely doesn't even think about or believe half of what he types, he just types sit for shitssake, having nothing better to do with his life.

Speaking of....

Sure switch out some words but essentially the same thing. It's quite extraordinary in some ways. Pathetic and ridiculous in others.

 

[jomar]

Really irrelevant, point is he's got her by the short n' greys right now, so it's on her to work with the (R)'s in congress or Trump in the WH.....either way Trump wins as long as he just sits there laughing at her giving her the finger all the way.

I dunno, could go either way. Dems said no wall, but we’ll fund border security. Trump said I’ll take that bet and shut down government on his dime. So it’s on him, not her.

Dems have passed bills to open government and McConnell is holding them...where is he? More people hold trump responsible for the shit show and most people don’t want a wall.

So we’ll see.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

This is what you said:

BP says we need sections of wall in certain places....that's not Trump, that's from the professionals on the ground.

I'm defending Trump supporting BP officials and their requests, because again, that's his job....kinda hard to fault him for doing what he's supposed to do.

Whether it's "sections of a wall" or "a wall," your argument is you defend Trump the basis of "this is what the professionals on the ground want."

Which is crap.

He just told Mattis to take a hike, firing the Defense Secretary because he didn't like his professional advice. He doesn't have to agree to any policy from any professionals; that's his whole shtick. I make my own decisions and "go with my gut." You're trying to deflect responsibility onto others, while meanwhile disingenuously pretending you don't remember the whole Wall thing and how the only people Trump is ACTUALLY listening to are the whiners on Fox News.

Your rationale for defending Trump is completely ridiculous. And it doesn't matter: you're defending Trump, which you just admitted and which you said you never do.

There are plenty of Border Patrol agents not to mention elected officials in border states who do not want a wall and say it would do nothing. They're professionals on the ground, too. The President's job is to take in all this information and make a decision that HE takes responsibility for.

You are defending him by saying his only responsiblity is doing what others tell him to do.

Oh, look, a tweet from Trump today:

I do have a plan on the Shutdown. But to understand that plan you would have to understand the fact that I won the election, and I promised safety and security for the American people. Part of that promise was a Wall at the Southern Border. Elections have consequences!

I didn't say that, which is why you had to make it up.

Not "the wall" but sections of wall in strategic locations....

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/10/6838...nals-weigh-in-on-what-s-needede-wall-or-fence

There are other reports coming out of BP if you care to look....so it's not just one agent who thinks walls in certain areas would help.



More delusions to go with your made up bullshit from earlier.




You're insane or you have the reading skills of a common house cat.

Take your meds....get some hooked on phonics.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This is what you said:

Whether it's "sections of a wall" or "a wall," your argument is you defend Trump the basis of "this is what the professionals on the ground want."

Which is crap.

No my argument is that I can't fault him for doing his job.

Your rationale for defending Trump is completely ridiculous.

How so??

Better question, why are you so upset and find it so ridiculous that POTUS is doing exactly what he is supposed to do?

And it doesn't matter: you're defending Trump, which you just admitted and which you said you never do.

I've openly supported Trump more than a few times and never denied it.

As long as you keep using absolute terms like "never" and "always" I'm just going to keep beating the fucking shit out of you with your inaccurate hyperbole.

You are defending him by saying his only responsiblity is doing what others tell him to do.

No, I'm "defending" him by not flipping out like you are over the fact that he's actually doing what he's supposed to be doing.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

His job is do what others tell him to do?

No my argument is that I can't fault him for doing his job.

How so??

Better question, why are you so upset and find it so ridiculous that POTUS is doing exactly what he is supposed to do?



I've openly supported Trump more than a few times and never denied it.

As long as you keep using absolute terms like "never" and "always" I'm just going to keep beating the fucking shit out of you with your inaccurate hyperbole.



No, I'm "defending" him by not flipping out like you are over the fact that he's actually doing what he's supposed to be doing.

 

[Oblimo]

Nobody is going to starve or be thrown out on the street. I know it, you know it, and they know it. They've been inconvenienced is all that's happening. The 'hand wringers' are no more than political fodder. It's not as if they didn't have a 'heads up' on this.

WIC and SNAP were going to shut down until the USDA found a way to hold out another 30 days before babies start starving to death.

You can find my sympathy in the dictionary, it's between Shit and Syphilis.

You seem to be full of both lately.

 

[BotanyBoy]

His job is do what others tell him to do?

No, his job is to support the offices of the executive branch.....DHS falls under that category.

BP apparently says they could use some shit, including some walls in key areas.

And as I said, as long as those reports are true.....

That means he get's a free pass to get as righteous as he wants to support them and their efforts to secure our borders by executing the laws passed by congress because that is his sworn duty.

Could not be more explicitly the presidents job description.

BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!!!!

He's actually following through on one of the primary issues his voters sent him there to address.

Pelosi and co. either eat shit and give BP the funding they need for the wall segments they want.

Or they buddy up with the GOP and give up a lb of flesh to intentionally keep border patrol underfunded.

As long as Donnie and Mitch stay strong? That's called check mate.

Congratulations on that BIG house win

 

[Carnal_Flower]

LMAO.

The Prez is the Prez. He gets info but he makes the decisions. He doesn't just do what DHS or any other Department "tells" him they want. If that was the case, why did he tell Mattis to fuck off when he said don't pull out of Syria? You're so desperate to excuse and defend the Orange Shitstain and absolve him of any responsibility for this.

Explaining his actions as "just fulfilling a campaign pledge" is excusing and defending as well. He's under no legal obligation to fulfill campaign shit talk. He doesn't make the laws and neither does his dumb shit base.

Border Patrol doesn't make the laws, ya dumb shit. They have nothing to do with laws; that's Congress's job. The Prez answers to Congress, not Border Patrol. And as I've quoted, there is no consensus among BP agents or even among governors of the border states. Most of them don't want a goddamned fucking wall.

It's funny watching you try to pass the buck, so desperate to make Trump NOT responsible for his choices and actions. That's called defending, excusing, and protecting.

No, his job is to support the offices of the executive branch.....DHS falls under that category.

BP apparently says they could use some shit, including some walls in key areas.

And as I said, as long as those reports are true.....

That means he get's a free pass to get as righteous as he wants to support them and their efforts to secure our borders by executing the laws passed by congress because that is his sworn duty.

Could not be more explicitly the presidents job description.

BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!!!!

He's actually following through on one of the primary issues his voters sent him there to address.

Pelosi and co. either eat shit and give BP the funding they need for the wall segments they want.

Or they buddy up with the GOP and give up a lb of flesh to intentionally keep border patrol underfunded.

As long as Donnie and Mitch stay strong? That's called check mate.

Congratulations on that BIG house win

 

[BotanyBoy]

LMAO.

The Prez is the Prez. He gets info but he makes the decisions. He doesn't just do what DHS or any other Department "tells" him they want.

I didn't say he did. Learn to read.

Explaining his actions as "just fulfilling a campaign pledge" is excusing and defending as well.

I didn't do that either, you REALLY need to learn how to read.

He's under no legal obligation to fulfill campaign shit talk.

More irrelevant TDS commentary that has nothing to do with anything I said.....not at all shocking.

Border Patrol doesn't make the laws, ya dumb shit.

Never said they did.

Seriously, get help.

The Prez answers to Congress

And this is where you demonstrate yet again, you have no fucking clue how the US government works.

Brilliant!

there is no consensus among BP agents or even among governors of the border states.

Didn't say there was and irrelevant.

Most of them don't want a goddamned fucking wall.

California isn't most border states, and you're simply wrong about BP.

Border Patrol agents say they can’t be much clearer: They want more walls along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Border Patrol Chief: 'We Certainly Need a Wall, Any Agent Will Tell You That'

It's funny watching you try to pass the buck, so desperate to make Trump NOT responsible for his choices and actions. That's called defending, excusing, and protecting.

I didn't pass any buck or ever suggest Trump is not responsible for his choices or actions.

That's called you just making up a bunch of shit up to suit your world view which is very clearly warped by severe case of TDS.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

LOLZ

Well if Fox said it, it must be true!


QUOTE=BotanyBoy;90267107]I didn't say he did. Learn to read.



I didn't do that either, you REALLY need to learn how to read.



More irrelevant TDS commentary that has nothing to do with anything I said.....not at all shocking.



Never said they did.

Seriously, get help.




And this is where you demonstrate yet again, you have no fucking clue how the US government works.

Brilliant!




Didn't say there was and irrelevant.



California isn't most border states, and you're simply wrong about BP.

Border Patrol agents say they can’t be much clearer: They want more walls along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Border Patrol Chief: 'We Certainly Need a Wall, Any Agent Will Tell You That'



I didn't pass any buck or ever suggest Trump is not responsible for his choices or actions.

That's called you just making up a bunch of shit up to suit your world view which is very clearly warped by severe case of TDS. [/QUOTE]

 

[BotanyBoy]

LOLZ

Well if Fox said it, it must be true!

Fox didn't say it, Chief Carla Provost of the Border Patrol did.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Carla_Provost_official_photo.jpg/220px-Carla_Provost_official_photo.jpg


So.....do you think POTUS should support his offices so that they can do their job for POTUS or not?

 

[bellisarius]

His job is do what others tell him to do?

How do you ever manage to survive in this world? It's hard to imagine anyone can be as fucking stupid as you are and still mange to type.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

LOL at you defending Trump.

Fox didn't say it, Chief Carla Provost of the Border Patrol did.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Carla_Provost_official_photo.jpg/220px-Carla_Provost_official_photo.jpg


So.....do you think POTUS should support his offices so that they can do their job for POTUS or not?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

LOLLLZZZ

This is who's running the country, folks. Carla Provost. She probably makes $40,000/K a year and she gets to tell Strong Man Trump what to do.

Well, her and Ann Coulter:

Trump Won’t Budge So That Ann Coulter Won’t Call Him ‘A Weenie’
.

https://adobochroniclesdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/image103.jpeg

Fox didn't say it, Chief Carla Provost of the Border Patrol did.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Carla_Provost_official_photo.jpg/220px-Carla_Provost_official_photo.jpg


So.....do you think POTUS should support his offices so that they can do their job for POTUS or not?

 

[HisArpy]

How do you ever manage to survive in this world? It's hard to imagine anyone can be as fucking stupid as you are and still mange to type.

You have to understand CF. Ok, you don't really, but you do have to understand that the conversation will be about, say, Trump and the border wall and CF will make a HARD LEFT TURN to try and inject Mattis into the conversation even though Mattis had NOTHING TO DO WITH the border wall. Or the shutdown. Or immigration.

And yet somehow that makes perfect sense to CF. And then things get really off the rails as CF throws the metaphorical (and sometimes the literal) kitchen sink into the debate to try and make a point no one is listening to because it's not relevant to the debate. Or comprehensible.

Oh and CF - - - assuming Carla Provost is GS 12, since she's a Chief BP agent, she likely makes about $97K per year. Not $40K. In fact, starting salaries for BP agents are round $52K. Which is quite a bit above your 40K think of the starving children hysteria.

https://www.cbp.gov/careers/usbp-pay-and-benefits#CompPay

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Trump lets his domestic policy be run by female border patrol agents and pundits, but he tells Secretary of Defense General James Mattis to fuck off and die when he doesn't agree with him. That's funny.

You have to understand CF. Ok, you don't really, but you do have to understand that the conversation will be about, say, Trump and the border wall and CF will make a HARD LEFT TURN to try and inject Mattis into the conversation even though Mattis had NOTHING TO DO WITH the border wall. Or the shutdown. Or immigration.

And yet somehow that makes perfect sense to CF. And then things get really off the rails as CF throws the metaphorical (and sometimes the literal) kitchen sink into the debate to try and make a point no one is listening to because it's not relevant to the debate. Or comprehensible.

Oh and CF - - - assuming Carla Provost is GS 12, since she's a Chief BP agent, she likely makes about $97K per year. Not $40K. In fact, starting salaries for BP agents are round $52K. Which is quite a bit above your 40K think of the starving children hysteria.

https://www.cbp.gov/careers/usbp-pay-and-benefits#CompPay

 

[HisArpy]

Trump lets his domestic policy be run by female border patrol agents and pundits, but he tells Secretary of Defense General James Mattis to fuck off and die when he doesn't agree with him. That's funny.

Wait, do you have something against Female BP agents?

I thought the whole D mantra is about Girl Powa! or something. And here you are knocking them for succeeding. Shame.

As an aside, I always wondered how someone could project the decision making process like you do. I mean, let's say an important decision has to be made. It comes down to you and someone else who disagrees with you on what is the best course of action.

In short, it's you saying one thing and them saying the opposite.

Who's thinking do you follow? Your own or theirs?

 

[phrodeau]

"Let's see... experts in the field working with boots on the ground for decades have one opinion, and I, who haven't exchanged two words with the undocumented workers in my employ, have a contrary opinion. I can't be wrong, so I'll go with my opinion."

 

[acup]

I have to chuckle at all the Socialist Democrats on this.

It's really easy to tell them from the rest of us. And yes, despite what you hear in the drive by media, we are still the majority.

The easiest tip to their writing is they won't argue on the subject, but deflect to the emotional side bars. 'You're a racist, you don't care about the kids, you don't care about... blah blah blah.

The rest of us talk about the ISSUE. True border security. Burglar alarms are nice, but as one poster put it, without a front door the burglar alarm is kinda useless.

Those are all pretty obvious, the one that many don't see is the difference between literal and serious. Most of us take Trump seriously, his detractors take him literally to poke holes in what ever they can.

So let's see what kind of fire storm this dab of reality kicks up.

 

[adrina]

I have to chuckle at all the Socialist Democrats on this.

It's really easy to tell them from the rest of us. And yes, despite what you hear in the drive by media, we are still the majority.

The easiest tip to their writing is they won't argue on the subject, but deflect to the emotional side bars. 'You're a racist, you don't care about the kids, you don't care about... blah blah blah.

The rest of us talk about the ISSUE. True border security. Burglar alarms are nice, but as one poster put it, without a front door the burglar alarm is kinda useless.

Those are all pretty obvious, the one that many don't see is the difference between literal and serious. Most of us take Trump seriously, his detractors take him literally to poke holes in what ever they can.

So let's see what kind of fire storm this dab of reality kicks up.

Bullshit.

See 45s fear mongering appeals to emotion. His absolute reliance upon lies, misinformation and "alternative facts" completely removes any possibility of discussion about the issues - it's just regurgitating the same stupid fear based lies over and over again so he can assuage his ego.

You guys are so full of shit it's beyond belief.