Farmers: We're being played the stooge

[someoneyouknow]

A man in Georgia was on the verge of buying his own orchard rather than working someone else's land, but the shutdown prevented him from doing so. The local Farm Service Agency office that would have processed his loan application was shut down.

A dairy farmer had run up $350,000 in debt when 31 of their cows died from pneumonia. They were waiting for a last ditch loan from the government which won't come because of the shutdown.

There was the cotton farmer who could not get disaster assistance to help him recover from Hurricane Michael. The woman in her 90s facing foreclosure on her family farm. The dairy farmer trying to make one last attempt to renegotiate her loan with the Farm Service Agency.

A farmer in Wisconsin is waiting on $9,000 the government said would come to help offset his losses from the trade war and help reduce erosion from runoff.

In New York, a farmer is waiting on $15,000 from the government due him for the trade war losses he's suffered which would be used to pay his mortgage which is due at the end of the month.

Story after story of farmers who are on the verge of or have all but gone out of business, or waiting for government assistance because of the easily winnable trade war, are unable to either get the money owed them, get any government-backed loans to buy seed and supplies, or get in touch period with anyone at the various farm agencies because of the shutdown. This includes using data to determine which and how many of what crops to plant.

One farmer had the following to say:

“You could hardly call it a political stunt,” said Mr. Myer, who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. “It’s a personal power stance because he doesn’t really care about anything, I don’t think, besides himself.”​

Conversely, a farmer in Mississippi, the least educated state in the nation, said:

“I may lose the farm, but I strongly feel we need some border security,” Mr. Nunnery said.​

As the con artist's shutdown turns into the longest government shutdown in this nation's history, as more farmers than these suffer the ravages of his pathetic trade war and beg for the government to prop them up, a government which isn't open and can't do anything for them, expect to hear slews of stories of farms going up for sale as our nation's food supply is devastated thanks to the ineptitude of the con artist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/farmers-trump-administration.html

 

[KeithD]

Did these farmers vote for Trump to begin with? If so, they aren't being played as stooges. They were voluntary stooges before the last presidential election.

 

[JackLuis]

The fools, they should'a been Oil executives! Lumpy's still processing Oil Lease Deals.

And people say he doesn't support his friends?

 

[someoneyouknow]

Did these farmers vote for Trump to begin with? If so, they aren't being played as stooges. They were voluntary stooges before the last presidential election.

Fifth paragraph of the article:

Farm country has stood by President Trump, even as farmers have strained under two years of slumping incomes and billions in losses from his trade wars. But as the government shutdown now drags into a third week, some farmers say the loss of crucial loans, payments and other services has pushed them — and their support — to a breaking point.​

Other than the one farmer mentioned who admitted voting for Hillary, and the uneducated from Mississippi who is unconcerned about losing his farm so long as a wall is built, the vast majority of farmers did vote for him.

So yeah, they should have known what they were getting into when they voted for a New York liberal.

 

[magicalmoments]

I never really realised just how socialist the USA farming sector is.

 

[KeithD]

I never really realised just how socialist the USA farming sector is.

Umm, again, I think you don't have a clue about that. Libertarian or populist perhaps; socialist, absolutely not. You haven't actually been to the States, have you? Do you have an understanding of what "socialist" means in the American context?

 

[bhurry]

A man in Georgia was on the verge of buying his own orchard rather than working someone else's land, but the shutdown prevented him from doing so. The local Farm Service Agency office that would have processed his loan application was shut down.

A dairy farmer had run up $350,000 in debt when 31 of their cows died from pneumonia. They were waiting for a last ditch loan from the government which won't come because of the shutdown.

There was the cotton farmer who could not get disaster assistance to help him recover from Hurricane Michael. The woman in her 90s facing foreclosure on her family farm. The dairy farmer trying to make one last attempt to renegotiate her loan with the Farm Service Agency.

A farmer in Wisconsin is waiting on $9,000 the government said would come to help offset his losses from the trade war and help reduce erosion from runoff.

In New York, a farmer is waiting on $15,000 from the government due him for the trade war losses he's suffered which would be used to pay his mortgage which is due at the end of the month.

Story after story of farmers who are on the verge of or have all but gone out of business, or waiting for government assistance because of the easily winnable trade war, are unable to either get the money owed them, get any government-backed loans to buy seed and supplies, or get in touch period with anyone at the various farm agencies because of the shutdown. This includes using data to determine which and how many of what crops to plant.

One farmer had the following to say:

“You could hardly call it a political stunt,” said Mr. Myer, who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. “It’s a personal power stance because he doesn’t really care about anything, I don’t think, besides himself.”​

Conversely, a farmer in Mississippi, the least educated state in the nation, said:

“I may lose the farm, but I strongly feel we need some border security,” Mr. Nunnery said.​

As the con artist's shutdown turns into the longest government shutdown in this nation's history, as more farmers than these suffer the ravages of his pathetic trade war and beg for the government to prop them up, a government which isn't open and can't do anything for them, expect to hear slews of stories of farms going up for sale as our nation's food supply is devastated thanks to the ineptitude of the con artist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us/farmers-trump-administration.html

Story after story of smart farmers doing ok here in Wisconsin. I like to keep a little cash on hand for that dad year or two. Maybe they might have gone bust anyway. Dead cows. 31 pneumonia nobody to blame but himself.

 

[jaF0]

I kinda have a problems with farmers (or anyone else) who have let themselves become dependent on needing Uncle Sam's handouts.

 

[ArtisticX]

All U.S. citizens have been played for "stooges", for decades. President Trump is, in my opinion(though not nearly so educated as y'all), a true patriot. When MSM and government can tell me the truth about JFK, MLK, RFK, Vietnam, Iraq, incubator babies, global drug trafficking and the CIA Satan; maybe I'll start listening again.

 

[jaF0]

All U.S. citizens have been played for "stooges", for decades. Asshole is, in my opinion(though not nearly so educated as y'all), a true traitor.

Fixed your post.

 

[Bill_Cosplay]

Presidents shouldn't blink once they've made a decision or are being tested.

Presidents who did in recent years:

George H. W. Bush ...

Several factors made the results possible. First, the campaign came on the heels of an economic slowdown. Exit polling showed that 75% thought the economy was in fairly or very bad shape while 63% thought their personal finances were better or the same as four years ago.[27] The decision by Bush to accept a tax increase adversely affected his re-election bid. Pressured by rising budget deficits, Bush agreed to a budget compromise with Congress which raised taxes. Clinton was able to condemn the tax increase effectively on both its own merits and as a reflection of Bush's dishonesty.

....but roughly two-thirds of those voters who cited Bush's broken "No New Taxes" pledge as "very important" (25%) voted for Bill Clinton.[35]

Clinton blinked in Somalia, and bad shit happened afterward: https://www.stripes.com/news/fallout-from-somalia-still-haunts-us-policy-20-years-later-1.244957

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If you look at this solely from the office of the President (not if you hate Trump or hate the Dems) ... The office of the President cannot back down. He will have no more power.


The Dems should know this: if he does, it doesn't bode well for either side during Trump's term or terms, nor will it for the next Dem in office. (Politicians are petty.)


Both sides and their supporters see themselves as right. I see them as both wrong. When you take out the word Compromise, the people who don't deserve to get fucked get fucked (the policy makers protected themselves from this in the constitution: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...wn-congressional-presidential-pay/2421657002/ - Why, because they care about themselves first and foremost) and make no mistake, the politicians don't care about who is getting fucked. They care about who will look/and be stronger when this is all over.


In order for a compromise to work in this situation, Trump can only make it if the Dems agree to start funding the wall in the future so he can appear to have kept his word on the wall.

 

[ArtisticX]

Fixed your post.

miss, if you think President Trump is a traitor... what do you think of the people in U.S. Government that allowed 9/11 to happen?

 

[KeithD]

miss, if you think President Trump is a traitor... what do you think of the people in U.S. Government that allowed 9/11 to happen?

What I think is that you have scrambled eggs for brains. But I thought that before this post too. Yet another idiot for ignore.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Story after story of farmers who are on the verge of or have all but gone out of business, or waiting for government assistance because of the easily winnable trade war, are unable to either get the money owed them, get any government-backed loans to buy seed and supplies, or get in touch period with anyone at the various farm agencies because of the shutdown. This includes using data to determine which and how many of what crops to plant.

Price you pay for relying on that gubbmint for everything.

I never really realised just how socialist the USA farming sector is.

Oh man it's CRAZY.

Umm, again, I think you don't have a clue about that. Libertarian or populist perhaps; socialist, absolutely not. You haven't actually been to the States, have you? Do you have an understanding of what "socialist" means in the American context?

Keith doesn't apparently know shit about farming.

It's anything but liberal (libertarian) and socialist means the same everywhere, there are just those who understand what it means and the uneducated.

If anything our agricultural industry is mostly-socialized super corps with an outer fringe of independent farmers who are doing great compared to the government guys.