Trump’s Wall

[Hal9000_]

You also include thousands of families who show up at the border and turn themselves in to apply for asylum as "illegal border crossers". That is disingenuous, but is par for the course.

THAT is the real humanitarian crisis. It's a REFUGEE crisis.

No one knows what to do with them. And no one wants to admit it's a result of failed "war on drugs" policies.

 

[Oblimo]

Because a wall is not useless. It's not 'symbolic'.
It's a deterrent.
Walls work.
It slows 'em down....it stops many....oh hell....I said all this before, and so did others. Yuma, San Diego, Israel. You can't read....go back and try reading again. You only read what you want to, and that is only what agrees with your viewpoint.

Hal's point inst that walls don't work. Hal is suggesting that preventing US-Mexico illegal border crossings should have lower priority to dealing with the visa overstay problem when it comes to spending money with the goal of stopping illegal immigration.

So whether or not walls work is irrelevant to his point. Examples of effective walls do not matter to his argument.

He can still be wrong. For example, there may be more illegal immigration from visa overstays, but illegal crossings of the US-Mexico border may be the greater source of humanitarian crises.

 

[Hal9000_]

The only rational thought behind that would be that the worst of the worst are the ones sneaking in.

That's where the worst abuses happen.

That's where the nastiest crime element exists.



Economically speaking yes....but those aren't the heroine/sex slaves/rapist coyotes either.

So which one is a bigger issue is kinda of a toss up for me...I think both issues need to be addressed.

Agreed. Pedro and wife and 5 kids begging for asylum aren't really a threat to national security. The actual drug smugglers , rapists, and overall criminal elements laugh at a wall.

It's only symbolic if we walk away from it.

Otherwise it's no different than shutting your front door instead of leaving it hanging open.

It's symbolic in the exact sense you imagine. It's physically impossible to "close the door" of the Southern border. Everyone knows this. But it's a nice, comfortable idea.

"We'll just close the border! Yeah, that's the ticket!"

If it was then clearly the (D)'s are the ones taking advantage.

How many undocumented illegal aliens work for unions?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Because a wall is not useless. It's not 'symbolic'.
It's a deterrent.
Walls work.
It slows 'em down....it stops many....oh hell....I said all this before, and so did others. Yuma, San Diego, Israel. You can't read....go back and try reading again. You only read what you want to, and that is only what agrees with your viewpoint.

So....I should not worry about the thousands of illegals coming into the country through the southern border, 2000 per day that are caught, because more are coming from other places?
That pard, is stupid logic. More like, a lack of logic.

And overstayed visas, are another problem, and something should be done about that too.
Different than what this thread is supposed to be about.

Criminals don't follow laws.

 

[Klinkster]

You also include thousands of families who show up at the border and turn themselves in to apply for asylum as "illegal border crossers". That is disingenuous, but is par for the course.

THAT is the real humanitarian crisis. It's a REFUGEE crisis.

No one knows what to do with them. And no one wants to admit it's a result of failed "war on drugs" policies.

Sorry....That is pure bullshit. They are not refugees. A few, sure....not many.

And....again....maybe if you spent some time somewhere even close to the border, you would know, that they are not coming here because they are 'escaping'.
The majority come here, to make a living.
There are many, who are in the drug business. Very nasty bunch. Hello....MS13?
Others, in the human trafficking business....you know coyotes?
Not to mention the low level criminals.
Many of the others, that are escaping Mexico, and Central America, because they are on the run from the law, and they damn well know they don't want to get caught. Mexican prisons, are not Club Med.

Want to let 'em in.....vet them. My Mexican friends, now US Citizens, and green card holders, think that's how it should work too.
You....quit with the media talking points. They are BULLSHIT.

 

[Klinkster]

Criminals don't follow laws.

No shit Sherlock.

Good reason to keep 'em out huh?

 

[Hal9000_]

Hal's point inst that walls don't work. Hal is suggesting that preventing US-Mexico illegal border crossings should have lower priority to dealing with the visa overstay problem when it comes to spending money with the goal of stopping illegal immigration.

So whether or not walls work is irrelevant to his point. Examples of effective walls do not matter to his argument.

He can still be wrong. For example, there may be more illegal immigration from visa overstays, but illegal crossings of the US-Mexico border may be the great source of humanitarian crises.

Pure symbolism, O.

We can all sleep tight knowing Big Daddy Trump is keeping us safe at night with his enormous wall.

I know I feel a sense of security just saying it.

 

[Klinkster]

Agreed. Pedro and wife and 5 kids begging for asylum aren't really a threat to national security. The actual drug smugglers , rapists, and overall criminal elements laugh at a wall.


It's symbolic in the exact sense you imagine. It's physically impossible to "close the door" of the Southern border. Everyone knows this. But it's a nice, comfortable idea.

"We'll just close the border! Yeah, that's the ticket!"




How many undocumented illegal aliens work for unions?

Where do you live Hal? New Jersey? Ohio?
You really don't know shit, and you won't research anything to educate yourself.

 

[Oblimo]

Pure symbolism, O.

We can all sleep tight knowing Big Daddy Trump is keeping us safe at night with his enormous wall.

I know I feel a sense of security just saying it.

Exactly. Trump doesn't have a plan. He has a meme. I ain't paying fer no memes.

Gimme a plan.

 

[Hal9000_]

They are not refugees. A few, sure....not many.

What was the whole "caravan" you were wetting your panties about?

 

[Klinkster]

Pure symbolism, O.

We can all sleep tight knowing Big Daddy Trump is keeping us safe at night with his enormous wall.

I know I feel a sense of security just saying it.

Let me know when a CBP guy comes to your house and tells you, you might want to wear a bullet-proof vest when you mow your lawn.

You are an idiot hal.

 

[Klinkster]

What was the whole "caravan" you were wetting your panties about?

What do you know about the caravan, besides what you saw on CNN?

Not wetting my pants.....just buying more ammo, and staying more observant.

 

[Hal9000_]

Where do you live Hal?

Why should I have to pay for your problems? You could always move away from the scary immigrants.

Typical Red State Welfare.

 

[Oblimo]

Where do you live Hal? New Jersey? Ohio?
You really don't know shit, and you won't research anything to educate yourself.

"You're not from 'round here so you don't know what it's like down here!"

"Okay, so what's it like down there?"

"I'm not telling you, you...Ohioan elitist! Find out for yourself!"

 

[Hal9000_]

Let me know when a CBP guy comes to your house and tells you, you might want to wear a bullet-proof vest when you mow your lawn.

You are an idiot hal.

What do you know about the caravan, besides what you saw on CNN?

Not wetting my pants.....just buying more ammo, and staying more observant.

Someone needs to hug their Trumpy Bear.

 

[Oblimo]

Let me know when a CBP guy comes to your house and tells you, you might want to wear a bullet-proof vest when you mow your lawn.

Holy crap, has that happened to you?

 

[KeithD]

Let me know when a CBP guy comes to your house and tells you, you might want to wear a bullet-proof vest when you mow your lawn.

You are an idiot hal.

Isn't being a scardy cat on the strength of Donald Trump's incessant lying more brainless?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No shit Sherlock.

Good reason to keep 'em out huh?

But we won't.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Agreed. Pedro and wife and 5 kids begging for asylum aren't really a threat to national security.

Nope, but that's all down to their behavior.

The actual drug smugglers , rapists, and overall criminal elements laugh at a wall.

Just like home invaders laugh at doors and locks.

But you still shut your door and lock that bitch at night don't you??

Yea because even if it only buys you 45 seconds, that might be the difference.

It's symbolic in the exact sense you imagine. It's physically impossible to "close the door" of the Southern border. Everyone knows this. But it's a nice, comfortable idea.

No it's not. We can wire and mine that fucker, post HK sniper crews and patrol it with drones/A-10's and AH-64's.

The amount of illegal crossings will be GREATLY reduced....guaranteed.

Question is how much pressure do we want to apply to send a clear message that if you want to come in you need to come correctly??

How many undocumented illegal aliens work for unions?

Unions hardly hire anyone anymore.

Point is the only people fighting to help illegal aliens come in and stay? Are the (D)'s.

If the (R)'s were interested in the cheap labor via open immigration, they wouldn't be trying to further control immigration and send the illegals packing.

 

[Klinkster]

"You're not from 'round here so you don't know what it's like down here!"

"Okay, so what's it like down there?"

"I'm not telling you, you...Ohioan elitist! Find out for yourself!"

I have told you several times, and you ignore it.
Can't read....oh well.
Won't research....no surprise.
Why waste my time on the likes of you?

You ain't livin' it, so you don't know....and YES, livin' sure as hell means something.

 

[someoneyouknow]

What do you know about the caravan, besides what you saw on CNN?

Not wetting my pants.....just buying more ammo, and staying more observant.

The "caravan" was less than 200 people, the vast majority of which were turned back by the Mexican government.

But hey, typical scared white guy wetting his pants. And yes, you are if you claim to be buying more ammo.

 

[Klinkster]

The "caravan" was less than 200 people, the vast majority of which were turned back by the Mexican government.

But hey, typical scared white guy wetting his pants. And yes, you are if you claim to be buying more ammo.

200? Talk about bullshit.
I suggest you take that up with the folks in Tijuana.

 

[Januari]

If I was to mark the spot, where your asshole is, it would be easy. You are all asshole.....so grab a Sharpie and go.


Punctuation good enough for ya?
If it's not, I really don't care.

See there, MUCH better on the use of the comma. I could tell you really made the effort. Gold star for you.

http://rs210.pbsrc.com/albums/bb77/colafles_bucket/Gold/goldstar.gif~c200

Your grammar was a tad off, but if I were to "mark the spot" for you to work on next, I would suggest manners. However, if you opt to go with grammar, it is an excellent choice as well.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Let me know when a CBP guy comes to your house and tells you, you might want to wear a bullet-proof vest when you mow your lawn.

You are an idiot hal.

So your position here is that you want to take 5.6 billion dollars from hard working tax payers because you're a pussy. Man the fuck up. What's the worst that could happen?

 

[Que]

So your position here is that you want to take 5.6 billion dollars from hard working tax payers because you're a pussy. Man the fuck up. What's the worst that could happen?

<Spidey mode>

He didn't say that. Show me where he posted those words. I look forward to you showing where he posted those words.

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