Donald Trump is completely transforming the Democrats

[TalkRadio1]

Washington has long been a stranger to principle other than the principle of self advancement. Yet, something new seems to be emerging across the country. Politicians have long felt the need to disguise raw political agendas in the pretense of principle. That pretense has disappeared.

In this age of rage, voters seem to have no patience, let alone need, for leaders speaking of abstract principles. They want immediate unequivocal action in supporting or opposing President Trump. For Democrats, that all consuming purpose has led to the abandonment of core unifying values, including many that first drew me to the Democratic Party. While they would vehemently deny it, Trump is remaking the party in his inverse image. This past month shows how far that transformation has gone.

In pursuing Trump, Democrats have also adopted a type of “red scare” mindset. While Republicans long pumped up the Russian menace as a political Cold War narrative, Democrats are now adopting the same type of rhetoric over the Russian attempt to interfere with the 2016 president election. Democrats for the past two years speak about how Russians “stole” the election or destroyed the legitimacy of the results, with little empirical data to support such irresponsible and unfounded claims.

A party requires more than hatred for an individual. A party has to stand for something that transcends the immediate or the visceral. Yet, in the age of Trump, the public is not interested in nuance or niceties. The watchword is “resist” and that means to push back at all costs, even against our core values. So the question is not what the Democratic Party will do but what it will be after Donald Trump eventually leaves office.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/423178-donald-trump-is-completely-transforming-the-democrats

 

[Kirkrapine]

After Trump leaves office, the Ds will simply revert to what they were before he took office.

 

[Adre]

Trump will be handily defeated (see what Pennsylvania did in midterms) and eventually dismissed as a freak anomaly. He will have done far more damage to the Republican brand than the Democratic one ultimately. That’s the Trump Effect.

 

[BotanyBoy]

After Trump leaves office, the Ds will simply revert to what they were before he took office.

That's some naive shit right there.

And they will do no such thing if another (R) wins....they will just call him Hitler too.

 

[Kirkrapine]

That's some naive shit right there.

And they will do no such thing if another (R) wins....they will just call him Hitler too.

What makes you think the change the OP speaks of is irreversible?

 

[coati]

This op-ed is a big pile of crap, especially with regard to summarily dismissing the Russian menace as a Democrat thing.

Watch what happens. Russia and Turkey are preparing right now to make their move on America's main military ally in Syria, the Kurds. Trump just set up the Kurds for slaughter, precipitating the resignation of his Secretary of Defense.

It ain't just the Democrats who are concerned about Trump's capitulation to Putin.

 

[Kirkrapine]

It is true that Kurdish Rojava is the only faction in Syria that can be plausibly classed as The Good Guys.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What makes you think the change the OP speaks of is irreversible?

What makes you think I think it's irreversible?

I don't think it's irreversible, I just don't think it will happen.

The (D)'s are marching left.....history says it's very unlikely to come back from it's embrace of identetarian politics and socialistic ideology.

Not on it's own anyhow.

 

[Kirkrapine]

What makes you think I think it's irreversible?

I said it would be reversed once Trump is gone, and you said "That's some naive shit right there." What else did you mean by that?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I said it would be reversed once Trump is gone,

Keep leaving relevant parts out like you're the only one who can see the posts you just got done making.

After Trump leaves office, the Ds will simply revert to what they were before he took office.

and you said "That's some naive shit right there." What else did you mean by that?

I mean they aren't going back to what they were before.

Once they embraced their racist ass identitarian/intersectional racism in order to justify their socialist bullshit? Real low odds of coming back from that. Historically a very rare thing.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I mean they aren't going back to what they were before.

Once they embraced their racist ass identitarian/intersectional racism in order to justify their socialist bullshit? Real low odds of coming back from that.

High odds, actually, considering that you are describing a phenomenon that exists only in your head.

 

[Adre]

Once they embraced their racist ass identitarian/intersectional racism in order to justify their socialist bullshit? Real low odds of coming back from that. Historically a very rare thing.

If you’d just once use real names and cite specific events, instead of tossing around labels and generalizations even you don’t fully understand, your posts might be worth debating. As it is, they’re not. You do seem to be amusing yourself however, so, carry on.

 

[BotanyBoy]

High odds, actually, considering that you are describing a phenomenon that exists only in your head.

Based on what?

It's not existing only in my head.

I've quoted the DNC platform to you now several times.....you can keep ignoring it, but the fact remains the DNC is marching left and that's unlikely to be undone just by Trump no longer being in office.

If you’d just once use real names and cite specific events, instead of tossing around labels and generalizations even you don’t fully understand, your posts might be worth debating. As it is, they’re not. You do seem to be amusing yourself however, so, carry on.

I have, with citations and everything, several times before.....you never had the hair on your nuts to say shit then, you just fucked off and abandon the thread just like all the other lefties who suddenly realized their beloved (D)'s really do want open borders and a centralized economy.

Gee.....I can't imagine why.

But since you're feeling froggy where would you like to start???

Ellisons support of an open border welfare state or Warren and Waters wanting to nationalize entire sectors of the economy and arbitrarily limit incomes??


Or the official DNC platform???

That's my favorite thread killer....makes people like you and KO fucking VANISH out of a thread.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Based on what?

It's not existing only in my head.

I've quoted the DNC platform to you now several times.....you can keep ignoring it, but the fact remains the DNC is marching left and that's unlikely to be undone just by Trump no longer being in office.

Well, it's not going to make them less electable, either. Sanders would have beat Trump, and anyone similar who gets the nom will trash him in 2020.

 

[LupusDei]

Bro, I feel you, and on some things agree more than you might think. But you're fucking swallowed a pole on some. Word actually have more than two colours and doesn't consists entirely of either-or statements.

That's my favorite thread killer....makes people like you and KO fucking VANISH out of a thread.

The ultimate threat killer is boredom. If you will repeat the same exact bullshit enough times you will appear to have spoken last. It's not victory, it's random chance. Others would have left yawning, and finding something more productive to do.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Bro, I feel you, and on some things agree more than you might think. But you're fucking swallowed a pole on some. Word actually have more than two colours and doesn't consists entirely of either-or statements.

Not entirely....but with politics and money?

More often than not it is.

The ultimate threat killer is boredom. If you will repeat the same exact bullshit enough times you will appear to have spoken last. It's not victory, it's random chance. Others would have left yawning, and finding something more productive to do.

I might buy that if it didn't happen regularly with the same people who keep posting and just pretend they didn't see it.

 

[Comshaw]

Bro, I feel you, and on some things agree more than you might think. But you're fucking swallowed a pole on some. Word actually have more than two colours and doesn't consists entirely of either-or statements.



The ultimate threat killer is boredom. If you will repeat the same exact bullshit enough times you will appear to have spoken last. It's not victory, it's random chance. Others would have left yawning, and finding something more productive to do.

Yep...a waste of time and effort to talk facts, sense and logic with him or the OP.


Comshaw

 

[Oblimo]

BotanyBoy has one thing to say:

(D)EMOCRATS BAD!​

Y'all are wasting your damned time.

 

[Hal9000_]

BotanyBoy has one thing to say:

(D)EMOCRATS BAD!​

Y'all are wasting your damned time.

He deludes himself with the belief that Republicans give two shits about personal liberty.

Even though he knows that both parties are two sides of the same corporate owned coin.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yep...a waste of time and effort to talk facts, sense and logic with him or the OP.

Comshaw

By "facts, sense and logic" Comshaw means licking (D)emocrat ass and promoting socialism.

BotanyBoy has one thing to say:

(D)EMOCRATS BAD!​

Y'all are wasting your damned time.

Well...mostly yea.

He deludes himself with the belief that Republicans give two shits about personal liberty.

And you're just making shit up now.

Even though he knows that both parties are two sides of the same corporate owned coin.

Thanks for verifying that your first line was a total load.

 

[Hal9000_]

Really? You say you're a Liberal in the strict dictionary definition.

Therefore, you hate the "nanny state", and any laws which restrict person freedoms?

Republicans are just as authoritative. Except they want to protect you from "sin", and Dems want to protect you from yourself.

But make no mistake, if either of the above get in the way of profits, both sides know where their bread is buttered.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Really? You say you're a Liberal in the strict dictionary definition.

Close enough.

Not strict because the dictionaries sometimes include the US "diet socialist" version of the word.

But a classical liberal, English type, not French.

Therefore, you hate the "nanny state", and any laws which restrict person freedoms?

Not any....I understand the social contract and that there is a legitimate role for government to play. I support the rule of law and concept that we all have to follow the rules for things to work (traffic laws for example).

I just don't support the ones that aren't necessary to the continued existence of the state and securing the rights of it's citizens.

Especially when the only justification is "It's not fair so fuck them!" lol

Republicans are just as authoritative. Except they want to protect you from "sin", and Dems want to protect you from yourself.

Yea I've been saying that for years but that just makes me an Obama fan boy and somehow a Trumpster Nazi too.

But make no mistake, if either of the above get in the way of profits, both sides know where their bread is buttered.

Oh I never thought otherwise. That's why the (D)'s always choke on doing a legit HC system and the (R)'s failed to repeal every word of it like they promised they would for years....would cut into profits. Don't rock the gravy train too much!!

 

[Kirkrapine]

Even though he knows that both parties are two sides of the same corporate owned coin.

True. The all-important difference is that the Dems are not wholly owned.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Close enough.

Not strict because the dictionaries sometimes include the US "diet socialist" version of the word.

But a classical liberal, English type, not French.

But this is American political discourse. The "diet socialist" meaning of the word is the only one that can legitimately be used therein. As you know.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Yea I've been saying that for years but that just makes me an Obama fan boy and somehow a Trumpster Nazi too.

Well, you certainly are the latter.