Forget the investigations: Trump ruined his political future this morning on live TV

[Bad_Doggie]

-no..

Oh come on, an arrogant twat like yourself can do better than that......we all know there are other methods of raising the cash from Mexico. I mean you’re not ignorant and arrogant enough to believe that I think Obrador is going to turn up with and a giant-sized wobbly cheque for $25 billion and a comedy smile do ya?

I can see you’re struggling, I’m feeling generous tonight, so I’ll help ya out.

How about Raising tariffs on imports? Remittances? Levying a "border adjustment" tax? Increasing travel visa and border crossing fees?

May-be they’ll work?

Except they won’t raise the funds in the short term and definitely won’t in the longer term.

And you know what, they might even work for the $10 billion he was quoting. But, if you read any of the engineering estimates, it falls far short of the $25 billion and not without potential repercussion which could well reduce the yield significantly below the $10 billion. And that doesn’t even begin to address the sum required to upkeep the wall in subsequent years.

If you don’t think the US tax payer won’t get stuck with this bill (or at least the majority of it) you’re a fucking idiot, which indeed you are.

Woof!

 

[von_Bismarck]

Queef isn't having a very good day.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

So let's say Tiny sticks to his guns and he refuses to sign any spending bill - hell say he refuses to sign any more legislation at all until he gets funding for the border wall.

His talking point will be "I will not do another thing until you are safe and the Southern Border is closed".

What has he got to lose? He won't suffer any consequences. Will he eat less? Golf less? make less money? Have less power? Live a shorter life? Fuck fewer porn stars? NO.

I can definitely see him going all in and daring the Congress, both houses and both parties, to call his bluff.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

The french political thinker who basically coined/defined/popularized the term as it's used today.

The Karl Marx of anarchism if you will.

Do I get a gold star now??

Thanks.

Oh you have to work a little harder than that!

Finally, you read it, the last time we looked at this page you refused to and dismissed it out of hand. Do you now understand why I described Anarchism as traditionally viewed as a “radical left” ideology!

Not completely, but they absolutely want our southern border effectively left open.

From abolishing immigration and customs enforcement to promoting incentive's for illegal immigration and keeping borders unsecured/open. I'm not sure their intentions could be any more clear.

Hmmm ok, why they would do that specifically from the South though I dunno, it’s certainly not been my experience coming from the North or flying in from the East!

Exactly like every POTUS since ever.

“If you like your plan, you can keep your plan,” -44

"To restore confidence in government, I will…attack pork-barrel spending."-43

I can go all the way back to Hoover...31....as tossing out total fucking bullshit to get elected.

There you have it indeed....politicians are full of shit on the campaign trail.

But I take it you don’t mind holding their feet to the fire when they don’t do as they campaign? Or do you only in specific cases and engage in “yeah but whatabout”?

 

[HAL_9000]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/69b8ef539c5e222c80be2070092eb56e/tenor.gif?itemid=7701354

 

[Luk]

Queef isn't having a very good day.

Just another typical Tuesday for the lil fella.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Queef isn't having a very good day.

Just another typical Tuesday for the lil fella.

On several threads, it's like

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5fff77e20dd38d046b61f3779f10c69f/tenor.gif?itemid=5452517

I've never seen someone running towards his multiple L's like that.

 

[jomar]

No....Mexico is irrelevant always has been.

Trump’s a liar. Got it.

And he's not holding America hostage either, he's applying pressure to the people responsible just as every he and every other POTUS has ever been elected to do.

LOL, applying pressure...what other president has threatened to take his ball and go home like this? Threatening to shut down government isn’t hardball, it’s wrecking ball...see below.

People responsible? You mean people who don’t believe a border wall is the answer and don’t want to spend billions? The prototypes don’t seem to be going all that well last time I looked, so add a few more dollars.

It's his JOB to do exactly what the fuck he is doing, just like it was Obamas when he was doing the EXACT same thing. DJT was NOT elected to nor is it his job to to be a yes man for congress.

Agreed, though McConnell thought that’s what he’d be.

America said fuck the same ol’ same ol’ let’s throw a monkey wrench into the system and let’s see what happens. Oops.

Thank you checks and balances!

Amen to that because Trump is fucking nuts.

ETA: among other things

 

[Oblimo]

Do you now understand why I described Anarchism as traditionally viewed as a “radical left” ideology!

Oh God, is BotanyBoy saying Anarchism is conservative?

 

[Luk]

On several threads, it's like

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5fff77e20dd38d046b61f3779f10c69f/tenor.gif?itemid=5452517

I've never seen someone running towards his multiple L's like that.

He has the same problem when he impotently tries to play Cap'n Save-a-Ho.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Thanks.

Finally, you read it, the last time we looked at this page you refused to and dismissed it out of hand.

Oh now we're just making shit up.

You can stop that now. Arguing against the idea that anarchism is left wing isn't dismissing everything in the encyclopedia after the first sentence.

Do you now understand why I described Anarchism as traditionally viewed as a “radical left” ideology!

Not at all.

I just understand that a bunch of leftist want to pretend it is or have some bizzare definition of what left means.

Hmmm ok, why they would do that specifically from the South

Because white people BAD!!!

Diversity is our strength!!!

But I take it you don’t mind holding their feet to the fire when they don’t do as they campaign?

Nah...they are all full of shit, you can't pick a side in US politics without being a total fucking hypocrite at this point.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh God, is BotanyBoy saying Anarchism is conservative?

No, I never made any such claim.

 

[phrodeau]

As I said you would completely have apparently no idea how the countries compensate other countries for things. They don't write checks.

How is it done, pallets of cash maybe?

 

[OldJourno]

Trump hopes that shutting the government down will stop the Mueller investigation.

Your sense of humor is in overdrive today.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Your sense of humor is in overdrive today.

Jealous that his sense of humor is hitting the marks and yours isn't?

Is it time for yet another one of your trademark "well, this is it, in a week..." pithy quips designed to lay 'em out in the aisles?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxpj6grFIe1qcaomb.gif

 

[CandiCame]

I've never actually had this experience on a message board before. That exchange I had with Que yesterday had the same energy as the guy following you around all day yelling, "Fag" until you turn around, and say, "Fuck, it, let's go."

And then they just...

It's the same energy. That was weird.

 

[Kirkrapine]

So let's say Tiny sticks to his guns and he refuses to sign any spending bill - hell say he refuses to sign any more legislation at all until he gets funding for the border wall.

His talking point will be "I will not do another thing until you are safe and the Southern Border is closed".

What has he got to lose? He won't suffer any consequences. Will he eat less? Golf less? make less money? Have less power? Live a shorter life? Fuck fewer porn stars? NO.

But he will destroy his chances of re-election.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Oh now we're just making shit up.

We’re?? You talk for yourself!

I never said…..

Arguing against the idea that anarchism is left wing isn't dismissing everything in the encyclopedia after the first sentence.

What I’m stunned about (although I know I shouldn’t be) is that you just quoted and linked to what you feel is an authority to explain what Anarchism is, quote the first sentence and then somehow ignore the entirety of the rest of the Encyclopaedia entry; which charts and explains Anarchist thought from its earliest recorded writing to the 20th century, which shows why Anarchism is traditionally viewed as a radical left ideology!

Continuing reading below Proudhon it sets it out very clearly…..

In all its forms, that doctrine consists of (1) an analysis of the power relations underlying existing forms of political authority and (2) a vision of an alternative libertarian society based on cooperation, as opposed to competition and coercion, and functioning without the need for government authority.

The first sketch of an anarchist commonwealth in this sense was developed in England in the years immediately following the English Civil Wars (1642–51) by Gerrard Winstanley, a dissenting Christian and founder of the Digger movement. In his pamphlet of 1649, Truth Lifting Up Its Head Above Scandals, Winstanley laid down what later became basic principles among anarchists: that power corrupts; that property is incompatible with freedom; that authority and property are between them the begetters of crime; and that only in a society without rulers, where work and its products are shared, can men be free and happy, acting not according to laws imposed from above but according to their consciences. Winstanley was not only the pioneer theorist of anarchism but also the forerunner of anarchist activism. In 1649, calling upon the people “to manure and work upon the common lands,” he and a band of followers occupied a hillside in southern England and established a society of agrarian free communism.

How clear do you want it?

I just understand that a bunch of leftist want to pretend it is or have some bizzare definition of what left means.

No idea why they would want to “pretend” it’s leftist, they chart it very well.

Are you saying that The Encyclopaedia Britannica (your source) has a bizarre definition of what left means!?

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

We’re??

I fucked up but you still lied.

Finally, you read it, the last time we looked at this page you refused to and dismissed it out of hand.

No idea why they would want to “pretend” it’s leftist, they chart it very well.

Because outside of that fantasy chart it all falls apart and is just as delusional as any other utopian idiocy.


" in a society without rulers, where work and its products are shared" = 100% delusion.....no iron fist? No communism, it's never happened and never going to.

You know what ACTUALLY happens in the absence of rulers? Natural hierarchy....gangs...warlords...tribalism.

 

[Kirkrapine]

" in a society without rulers, where work and its products are shared" = 100% delusion.....no iron fist? No communism, it's never happened and never going to.

You know what ACTUALLY happens in the absence of rulers? Natural hierarchy....gangs...warlords...tribalism.

The anarcho-syndicalist system of the Spanish Revolution seemed to work very well while it lasted.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

We’re??


Right here....I'm going to bold, underline, enlarge and make it red so you can see it.

I know what I wrote and I also know what you said on the other thread and that was to dismiss this Encyclopaedia entry out of hand, that's why this is funny!

Because outside of that fantasy chart it all falls apart and is just as delusional as any other utopian idiocy.


" in a society without rulers, where work and its products are shared" = 100% delusion.....no iron fist? No communism, because people are not equal and without a gun stuck to their head they WILL put their own self interest ahead of that of the collective.

Yes, it does "fall apart", it is un-workable and quite possibly “delusional.”

But then I have never said that it is workable or desirable.

What I said and continue to say is that Anarchism is traditionally viewed as a radical “left” ideology because that is what it has been for centuries.

And then along comes you, who insists for months that it’s not a "left" ideology and indeed is a "right" ideology then post a link to an authority that says it is a "left" ideology!

It does, and you have been given several examples, work in small kumbaya communities for a period of time. But, it’s not sustainable and doesn’t scale and is probably delusional!

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

The anarcho-syndicalist system of the Spanish Revolution seemed to work very well while it lasted.

https://i.imgflip.com/vnbm0.jpg

 

[Bad_Doggie]

The anarcho-syndicalist system of the Spanish Revolution seemed to work very well while it lasted.

It isn't sustainable, even in kumbaya communities.

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I know what I wrote and I also know what you said on the other thread and that was to dismiss this Encyclopaedia entry out of hand, that's why this is funny!

I never dismissed it out of hand...that's the lie...that's YOUR delusion.

I might argue against it but I didn't dismiss it.

What I said and continue to say is that Anarchism is traditionally viewed as a radical “left” ideology because that is what it has been for centuries.

Uh hua...and I agree, I also argue that it's wrong because real world results > theory.

And then along comes you, who insists for months that it’s not a "left" ideology and indeed is a "right" ideology then post a link to an authority that says it is a "left" ideology!

No....I insist that it results in natural hierarchies forming, so in practice it's right wing.

In theory, idiots galore think it's left wing. I never denied that.

So do we go off of the theory or the observable results?

Being a scientist I like observable results.....anarchism always goes right in the end, every time.

It does work, and you have been given several examples, work in small kumbaya communities for a period of time. But, it’s not sustainable and doesn’t scale and is probably delusional!

Woof!

Exactly...it DOESN'T work.

Because communism REQUIRES strong authority to force it upon us ultra hierarchical selfish apes. Even if we want it to work as group it only works as long as times are good, as soon as shit gets ugly it all comes apart....no government goon with an AK to force that equity.

Or just peace that is enjoyed in more free societies....also requires some authority to maintain, rule of law.

 

[Kirkrapine]

It isn't sustainable, even in kumbaya communities.

Woof!

Well, the Spanish Revolution didn't last long because the government -- the nominally Communist government -- put it down. The Republic was dependent on Stalin for military aid, and Stalin didn't like that kind of revolution one little bit.