Has Trump been subpoenaed?

[Pookie]

Just askin'

Read the article for the details ...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2018/10/31/has-robert-mueller-subpoenaed-trump-222060

From the article ...

If Mueller were going to subpoena the president—and there’s every reason why a careful and thorough prosecutor would want the central figure on the record on critical questions regarding his knowledge and intent—this is just the way we would expect him to do so. Quietly, expeditiously, and refusing to waste the lull in public action demanded by the midterm elections. It all fits.


A little late for an October surprise, but it kinda looks like things might be reaching a climax. <--- gratuitous sex reference

Discuss.

 

[Emerson40]

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[TalkRadio1]

The net result of Mueller's investigation...

Best case scenario? It'll be a slap on the wrist.

Worst case scenario? It'll be an admonishment.

President Trump will successfully complete his one & only term.

 

[Kirkrapine]

If Trump had been subpoenaed, it would be all over the news.

Of course, the legal fight over whether a sitting president can be subpoenaed would not be resolved until long after the midterms.

 

[Pookie]

Mueller supposedly has been quiet to avoid what occurred before the 2016 election. Again, nothing provides any names, with one exception noted below.

An outline/summary of the article ...

August 15 - Giuliani said Trump would move to quash a subpoena and went so far as to say, “[W]e’re pretty much finished with our memorandum opposing a subpoena.”

August 16 - a sealed grand jury case was initiated in the D.C. federal district court before Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell

September 19 - Howell issued a ruling

September 24 - (just five days later) one of the parties appealed to the D.C. Circuit (special counsel’s office is involved because the reporter overheard a conversation in the clerk’s office) The presumptive grand jury witness has frantically appealed that order and sought special treatment from the judges of the D.C. Circuit—often referred to as the “second-most important court in the land."

October 3 - an unspecified procedural flaw seems to have emerged, and the appeals court dismissed the appeal.

October 5 - the lower court judge cured the flaw, the witness re-appealed

October 10 - the witness was once again before appellate court. Because of very quick action of all the judges involved, less than one week was lost due to a flaw that, "in other cases, could have taken weeks or months to resolve"

On the same the day case returned to the court, the parties filed a motion for expedited handling

October 12 - the judges had granted their motion and set an accelerated briefing schedule.

The witness was given just 11 days to file briefs; the special counsel (presumably) just two weeks to respond; and reply papers one week later, on November 14 (that’s eight days after the midterm elections). Oral arguments are set for December 14.

Directly from the article - Nothing about the docket sheets, however, discloses the identity of the witness. At every level, this matter has commanded the immediate and close attention of the judges involved—suggesting that no ordinary witness and no ordinary issue is involved. All 10 of the D.C. Circuit judges review the order

Side note - Trump’s sole appointee to the D.C. Circuit, Gregory Katsas, recused himself.

 

[doowdniw]

When asked if he had received a subpoena from Mueller, Trump said no. Which of course should be taken with a very large dose of salt if for no other reason than that Trump said it.

 

[someoneyouknow]

If Trump had been subpoenaed, it would be all over the news.

Of course, the legal fight over whether a sitting president can be subpoenaed would not be resolved until long after the midterms.

Not in this case. Mueller, unlike Comey, is following the honorable tradition of not doing anything to interfere so close to an upcoming election. If you'll notice, nothing's been said or done in the last two months.

Further, as Ken Starr has repeatedly said, a sitting president can be subpoenaed. No one is above the law. Add in the ferocious back and forth filings at the clerk's office and their sealed nature, and it is very likely the con artist will be forced to answer questions under oath.

Which is the worst possible outcome since as we know from a previous trial run, he literally cannot tell the truth. It's why his attorneys are fighting so hard not to have him testify. They know he'll both lie and perjure himself.

 

[Paul_Chance]

I read this this morning and thought "interesting" until I got to this part, which made me close it and stop paying attention to what is basically click-bait.

September 24 - (just five days later) one of the parties appealed to the D.C. Circuit (special counsel’s office is involved because the reporter overheard a conversation in the clerk’s office) The presumptive grand jury witness has frantically appealed that order and sought special treatment from the judges of the D.C. Circuit—often referred to as the “second-most important court in the land."

The emphasis is mine - so, basically it's tied to Trump because - a reporter overhead a conversation about the special counsel's office.

I suspect that if, and when, Trump is subpoenaed it will be more like a clarion call then a whisper.

 

[Pookie]

I read this this morning and thought "interesting" until I got to this part, which made me close it and stop paying attention to what is basically click-bait.

September 24 - (just five days later) one of the parties appealed to the D.C. Circuit (special counsel’s office is involved because the reporter overheard a conversation in the clerk’s office) The presumptive grand jury witness has frantically appealed that order and sought special treatment from the judges of the D.C. Circuit—often referred to as the “second-most important court in the land."

The emphasis is mine - so, basically it's tied to Trump because - a reporter overhead a conversation about the special counsel's office.

I suspect that if, and when, Trump is subpoenaed it will be more like a clarion call then a whisper.

You're saying it's tied to Trump. The article makes no such claim. It's very possible it's Trump or someone else Mueller has subpoenaed in the administration.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Here's the title of the article: Has Mueller Subpoenaed the President?

If that isn't clearly trying to tie it to Trump, I don't what is. Based on the article, the answer to the question posed is "uh, probably not, and it's a slow day at Politico".

Heck, from the article, it could be me that they subpoenaed! (That would be awesome, I would talk real slow and stretch the whole testimony in a long tax payer funded vacation.)

 

[Kirkrapine]

Not in this case. Mueller, unlike Comey, is following the honorable tradition of not doing anything to interfere so close to an upcoming election. If you'll notice, nothing's been said or done in the last two months.

I wrote him a letter begging him to publish all his non-classified findings at least a month before the midterms. And really, why shouldn't he?!

 

[Pookie]

Here's the title of the article: Has Mueller Subpoenaed the President?

If that isn't clearly trying to tie it to Trump, I don't what is. Based on the article, the answer to the question posed is "uh, probably not, and it's a slow day at Politico".

Heck, from the article, it could be me that they subpoenaed! (That would be awesome, I would talk real slow and stretch the whole testimony in a long tax payer funded vacation.)

From the article, it's clear it wouldn't be you or anyone else not in the Trump administration, unless you can explain why Gregory Katsas would recuse himself for you.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Further, as Ken Starr has repeatedly said, a sitting president can be subpoenaed. No one is above the law.

But that was a Pub talking about a Dem POTUS. You really can't expect the Pubs to feel in any way bound to that position now. Gored ox, you know.

 

[Paul_Chance]

From the article, it's clear it wouldn't be you or anyone else not in the Trump administration, unless you can explain why Gregory Katsas would recuse himself for you.

Katsas was a corporate appellate lawyer for Jones-Day prior to joining the government. Jones-Day represents about half the Fortune 500.

But my point was the entire connection to Trump and the White House is third hand - an overheard conversation by a reporter, with zero details on the substance of the conversation. Mighty thin.

(I do suspect at some point they’ll secure a statement from Trump, as per other stories, I doubt they’ll subpoena him and go through that fight. First, I think they’d lose. Second, contrary to what a lot of the media tell you, not everyone involved in a grand jury investigation gets called, simply because they don’t need everyone. If you have a solid case without your principals, you don’t need them. It’s equally possible there is no case directly against Trump. Hopefully soon enough we’ll know.)

 

[OldJourno]

This is it, then. In a matter of days, certainly no more than a week or two, Trump will be in chains before a judge, a shadow of the man he once was, cowering as the true heroes of America once again step forward. Schumer, Pelosi and their team are ready, willing and able to provide America with an ocean of new business regulations and red tape, higher medical co-pays, more unnecessary referrals and insurance that covers 100 percent of the cost of your abortion, even though you are 74, male and trying to impregnate the cheerleader next door.

 

[doowdniw]

I'd settle for him sitting in front of a video recorder while under oath.

 

[IG_88]

He's gonna do everything to avoid being interviewed under oath. No way do we not hear about it. It's gonna be a shit storm if it happens.

 

[Pookie]

Katsas was a corporate appellate lawyer for Jones-Day prior to joining the government. Jones-Day represents about half the Fortune 500.

But my point was the entire connection to Trump and the White House is third hand - an overheard conversation by a reporter, with zero details on the substance of the conversation. Mighty thin.

(I do suspect at some point they’ll secure a statement from Trump, as per other stories, I doubt they’ll subpoena him and go through that fight. First, I think they’d lose. Second, contrary to what a lot of the media tell you, not everyone involved in a grand jury investigation gets called, simply because they don’t need everyone. If you have a solid case without your principals, you don’t need them. It’s equally possible there is no case directly against Trump. Hopefully soon enough we’ll know.)

I imagine Katsas isn't the only one on the D.C. Circuit who has represented quite a few people. Hes the only one who has recused though. Still, could be nothing related to being the only one on the D.C. circuit appointed by Trump.

I also agree the connection to the White House by the overheard conversation is definitely third hand and lacks any real substantiation. Those talking could've been joking around or just talking out of their asses. The reporter could've misheard. The reporter could be lying. Would a reporter jeapordize their career like that? Lying is certainly nothing new in D.C.

The rest of the connection is also based on a series of events and timing that could easily only be coincidences. But as a whole, it's compelling and does lean toward it involving someone in Trump's inner circle who hasn't been subpoenaed yet (that we know of) or Trump himself. That's why I started the thread with a question and not a proclamation.

Trump will definitely be asked to answer questions by Mueller, certainly voluntarily before a possible subpoena. At least one on Trump's team is afraid Trump will, intentionally or not, perjure himself. Given how his views change with the wind, I'd fight any subpoena as well if I were representing him.

 

[Kirkrapine]

. . . that covers 100 percent of the cost of your abortion, even though you are 74, male and trying to impregnate the cheerleader next door.

Well, I should hope so!

 

[Kirkrapine]

I'd settle for him sitting in front of a video recorder while under oath.

To prepare for such a situation, two of Trump's lawyers did a role-playing session of a deposition by Mueller, with Trump playing Trump.

Their conclusion was that Trump must never be allowed to testify under oath, because he is psychologically incapable of telling the truth.

 

[HisArpy]

To prepare for such a situation, two of Trump's lawyers did a role-playing session of a deposition by Mueller, with Trump playing Trump.

Their conclusion was that Trump must never be allowed to testify under oath, because he is psychologically incapable of telling the truth.

Or it was a demonstration to Trump about how easily he could be trapped and his own words used against him. Unless you're privy to the inside intel, all you have is speculation on why and the reason given for the outcome.

What I do know is that no competent defense attorney would allow his client to voluntarily be deposed by law enforcement. I also noticed how quickly Trump stopped saying he'd voluntarily sit down with Mueller after the mock depo was conducted. I think that means Trump learned something important and decided to let his attorneys handle it. Just like a good client should do.

 

[Adre]

Habitual liars set their own traps.

 

[Kirkrapine]

What I do know is that no competent defense attorney would allow his client to voluntarily be deposed by law enforcement.

Is that what this is, now? Is Mueller law enforcement?

 

[needit700]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is sol retarded. What would he be subpoena for doing a great job and making the democrats look like fools>

 

[doowdniw]

To prepare for such a situation, two of Trump's lawyers did a role-playing session of a deposition by Mueller, with Trump playing Trump.

Their conclusion was that Trump must never be allowed to testify under oath, because he is psychologically incapable of telling the truth.

But he tries to tell the truth when he can...Oh, wait that was what Trump said. I can see how that might get us into a circular argument.