Hall of Fame

[Requiax]

Could anyone tell me how the Hall of Fame for categories actually works? Is it based on review score alone or do other factors fit in?

While I try to avoid dwelling on ratings and other things about my stories here, I was always quite proud that I had a couple of stories high up in the Hall of Fame for Ex/Voy thanks (I thought) to excellent scores (above 4.75, one above 4.8).

I decided to browse the Hall of Fame in that category today and I saw all the usual suspects still there, except for myself! I assumed my rating had fallen and thus I'd dropped out of the ranking but when I looked at my stories I still have two or three with a higher score than some of the stories still in the HoF.

I say I'm not bothered but it's actually a bit of a bummer if I'm honest. I like the other stories in the HoF and I was always pleased to see mine ranked alongside them. If it was just my popularity on the wane I might not mind so much, so if someone could explain how the site's algorithm generates the stories in the Hall of Fame, understanding the process might help soothe my fragile ego.

 

[lovecraft68]

Its based on score and the all time Hall of fame lists(not the 30 day and six month) need one hundred votes to qualify.

As for your issue the top lists are dominated by long running series because chapter stories usually gain high scores due to it only being the core audience reading and giving it a 5 so if you're writing stand alone stories its harder to make the lists.

Its been discussed for years that this is an unfair advantage for long series and many suggestions have been made to level the playing field, but nothing is ever going to change.

At the start of your post you mention bot getting caught up in scores. That's the best thing you can do. That and take pride in good scores, but not worry about where they rank.

 

[NotWise]

Could anyone tell me how the Hall of Fame for categories actually works? Is it based on review score alone or do other factors fit in?

While I try to avoid dwelling on ratings and other things about my stories here, I was always quite proud that I had a couple of stories high up in the Hall of Fame for Ex/Voy thanks (I thought) to excellent scores (above 4.75, one above 4.8).

The HOF is the top twenty stories in the category's all-time toplist. As LC said, you need at least 100 votes to be on the all-time list. Your 4.8+ story is still on the 12-month list, and there it shows 83 votes.

Did you have more than 100 votes, and then lose some in a sweep?

 

[lovecraft68]

Another point is that once your story does reach an all time list be prepared to have it routinely one bombed by fans of the stories you got in front of. Reader bases think they're 'helping' their fav author by doing this.

There's also occasions its the author themselves doing it, but most of the time its the fan base.

 

[KeithD]

Every single entry in the GM Hall of Fame list on the GM hub is a story chapter. What that tells me is that the hall of fame formula is seriously out of whack and that the hall of fame listings mean nothing as far as someone looking for a good read.

 

[lovecraft68]

Every single entry in the GM Hall of Fame list on the GM hub is a story chapter. What that tells me is that the hall of fame formula is seriously out of whack and that the hall of fame listings mean nothing as far as someone looking for a good read.

It used to mainly be sci fi and non human that was like that. Last time I looked at Taboo only three of the top 25 were stand alone in the 30 day and that will eventually trickle into the all time.

Mature went that rout a long time ago too.

Its an easy fix to not allow any chapter story into the list, but one we'll never see.

Also people using Patreon to make money here use getting the next chapter ahead of time as an incentive for people to donate. so there are more chapter series than ever and they will never end. The biggest culprit just went over 100 chapters. Not a typo, 100 chapters.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Could anyone tell me how the Hall of Fame for categories actually works? Is it based on review score alone or do other factors fit in?

Based on score, and having a certain minimum number of votes. (Number of votes also appears to be used as a tie-breaker for stories with the same score.) For most categories that's 100, but for some of the smaller categories the cutoff is set lower.

I decided to browse the Hall of Fame in that category today and I saw all the usual suspects still there, except for myself! I assumed my rating had fallen and thus I'd dropped out of the ranking but when I looked at my stories I still have two or three with a higher score than some of the stories still in the HoF.

Looking at the last page of the E&V HoF, the lowest entry on that page has a score of 4.76 with 892 votes.

Looking at your stories list, I see two E&V stories with 4.76 or higher:

"Nikki's Naked Weekend" - this is sitting just on that cutoff of 4.76. I'm guessing that this one has fewer than 892 votes, in which case it would've just lost out on the tiebreaker.

"Best Friends Pt. 08: The Uni Visit" - this has 4.85, which should put it somewhere between #5 and #8 on the list. However, since it's a relatively recent story which is quite some way into a series, is it possible that it doesn't have 100 votes?

Note that the "My Stories" view gets updated pretty much instantly as new votes come in, but the toplists don't, which can lead to some discrepancies between the two. If there's been a sweep through since the toplist was last updated, those discrepancies can be quite large.

 

[lovecraft68]

Pilot wasn't kidding. 49 of the top 50 GM stories on the all time list are chapters.

But hey, nothing unfair there, right?

 

[NotWise]

Pilot wasn't kidding. 49 of the top 50 GM stories on the all time list are chapters.

But hey, nothing unfair there, right?

That's probably an extreme case, but every top list is full of chapters. I don't see that as a problem until the list is carrying multiple chapters from one story, and that happens a lot.

The easy fix would be to not list chapters on the toplist, but that would leave a lot of good multi-chapter stories off the toplists, which serves neither readers nor writers.

An alternative might be to include chapter stories on the basis of the average score, (total *'s for all chapters / total votes for all chapters) and then, if it qualifies, list the story only once, not every chapter.

I know. I'm not talking to people who could make a change.

 

[KeithD]

A chapter isn't a story. All would be fine if the lists were just split, a list for standalones and a list for chapters, even though they aren't complete stories.

 

[TxRad]

A chapter isn't a story. All would be fine if the lists were just split, a list for standalones and a list for chapters, even though they aren't complete stories.

Didn't we all get called trolls the last time we discussed this?

 

[KeithD]

Didn't we all get called trolls the last time we discussed this?

I can't remember. I get called a troll so often and attacked by sickos who want to pretend to be trained editors and writers and king and queen of the walk here that I lose count.

 

[SimonDoom]

Pilot wasn't kidding. 49 of the top 50 GM stories on the all time list are chapters.

But hey, nothing unfair there, right?

49 out of 50 is ridiculous. I tend to take a laissez-faire approach here, but that's too much. It does a disservice to the reader because the reader gets exposed to far fewer top-notch stories when looking at the lists. And it hurts the author with great stories that don't have 4.95 ratings because they're not chapter 88 in a 100 chapter series. Having a story list and a chapter list makes sense.

 

[TxRad]

49 out of 50 is ridiculous. I tend to take a laissez-faire approach here, but that's too much. It does a disservice to the reader because the reader gets exposed to far fewer top-notch stories when looking at the lists. And it hurts the author with great stories that don't have 4.95 ratings because they're not chapter 88 in a 100 chapter series. Having a story list and a chapter list makes sense.

The last time this was discussed was during the year end awards when most of the categories had chapters instead of stories as choices. We were told chapter would be handled next year. That was three years ago. Well, they finally came up with an answer. They seemed to have done away with the monthly awards and abandoned the year end.

That's the thread we were called trolls in and told we were now on ignore.

Two lists would be easy and the separation of stories has already been done. It has been suggested by at least a half dozen people but so far.... [Insert Crickets Chirping]

 

[lovecraft68]

I can't remember. I get called a troll so often and attacked by sickos who want to pretend to be trained editors and writers and king and queen of the walk here that I lose count.

you and I were called trolls in the thread where we called out the site for not notifying monthly contest winners who had no idea they had won anything and the site was keeping the money in their pocket.

TX and I were told we would be "punished" for calling out contest cheating back in the "cabin" era.

no good deed goes unpunished.

 

[YouDidWhut]

I really don’t have a dog in this fight because I’ve only published a whopping 15 stories here. However, 10 of those are written in chapters. But when I looked at the numbers, the stand alone stories generally have higher ratings, with one exception; Bandit. If there is such a thing as a caveat to an exception, that story was originally planned and written as a stand alone. I only added the prequel to show some of the back story.

I agree that chapters do give a huge advantage on the top lists. But that is the nature of the beast here. I’m not looking for anything to change in the foreseeable future so I simply use the ratings as a judge and try to turn out stories that have some semblance of readability. If one happens to find its way on to a top list (5 have) in its category, so be it.

If not, I tried.

 

[lovecraft68]

I really don’t have a dog in this fight because I’ve only published a whopping 15 stories here. However, 10 of those are written in chapters. But when I looked at the numbers, the stand alone stories generally have higher ratings, with one exception; Bandit. If there is such a thing as a caveat to an exception, that story was originally planned and written as a stand alone. I only added the prequel to show some of the back story.

I agree that chapters do give a huge advantage on the top lists. But that is the nature of the beast here. I’m not looking for anything to change in the foreseeable future so I simply use the ratings as a judge and try to turn out stories that have some semblance of readability. If one happens to find its way on to a top list (5 have) in its category, so be it.

If not, I tried.

I hope you understand no one is attacking people for deciding to write long series(well some do it deliberately and they are pretty obvious) its more about the site not helping to correct an easily fixable issue and balancing things out for all authors and the type of stories they choose to write.

 

[YouDidWhut]

I would love to see the split happen! But I’m not holding my breath waiting for it.

 

[lovecraft68]

I would love to see the split happen! But I’m not holding my breath waiting for it.

I don't either, but what makes it worse is the several times its been promised in the past just to placate people. Its far from the only false promise that's been made, but the one that seems to come up the most often.

 

[KRD19254]

L missing the boat here

L puts various TAGs on stories that achieve certain status/awards.

Why not create a HoF TAG for all stories that L has ONCE listed as Hall-of-Fame level of accomplishment? So no mater how many 1* bombs from dissenting fan-base may do to get the story knocked off the HoF list the story will forever show the HoF accomplishment TAG.

 

[KeithD]

L puts various TAGs on stories that achieve certain status/awards.

Why not create a HoF TAG for all stories that L has ONCE listed as Hall-of-Fame level of accomplishment? So no mater how many 1* bombs from dissenting fan-base may do to get the story knocked off the HoF list the story will forever show the HoF accomplishment TAG.

It would be misleading, I think. Chapters aren't stories and yet most of the Hall of Fame "stories" will be chapters (and mostly likely chapters so far in the story that nobody will want to read them now). It will just clutter the listing with stuff readers aren't actually going to read.

 

[kurrginatorX]

What is the link to HoF?

I can't seem to find it. Am curious about the stories there.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I can't seem to find it. Am curious about the stories there.

Each category front page has a Hall of Fame for that category. For example, Sci-Fi and Fantasy:

https://www.literotica.com/c/science-fiction-fantasy

Just scroll down

 

[LupusDei]

May I be a bit of a devil's advocate here?

My intuitive take would be to list stand alone stories and only first chapter of a series together.

While it can be argued that a first chapter of intended series is not a complete story on its own right, a lot of series are also sometimes rather optional sequels for what was intended to be stand alone stories. "Wow, this needs a sequel" might easily be the most common comment from what I happened to see around as a reader. So, that isn't a distinction easy or even possible to make strict.

It is easy to see how ratings of later chapters are inflated by loyal fan base and simply not viewed by folks that might not like them.

However, there are few problems. When I first come to this site I had a dream to write a series that visited every single category on purpose. Of course, that's rather extreme idea I since learned might not be actually wise (then, it never was about being wise or appealing to readers; although I'm aware that one has to be awfully good to get away with having fun on readers and I'm not even speaking English at all), but the point is, there is a lot of valid overlap between categories, a single story could be simultaneously at home in Exhibitionist&Voyer, Non-consent&Reluctance, SF&F, Incest, Group Sex, Anal, whatever you like.

"On board alien spaceship he was wearing wife's evening gown while watching how she was hypnotised into submission, tied up on stage and taken in the ass by her two werewolf brothers."

Now, given format of the site it could be tempting to inflate that single sentence to 100k words and split in chunks giving prominence for each element in turn. Sure known habits considered, it probably won't get ratings anywhere near drawn out chapters faithful to a single narrow kink, but what if by some off chance each of those chunks is objectively among best stories of their respective categories or could be if presented as linked stand alone stories not numbered chapters?

I can strongly agree however, that no single numbered chapters series should appear more than once in any single categories top list.

 

[JBEdwards]

2* bombs

L puts various TAGs on stories that achieve certain status/awards.

Why not create a HoF TAG for all stories that L has ONCE listed as Hall-of-Fame level of accomplishment? So no mater how many 1* bombs from dissenting fan-base may do to get the story knocked off the HoF list the story will forever show the HoF accomplishment TAG.

The sophisticated trolls use 2* bombs, I suspect.