The Honduran invasion.

[SpeareChucker]

Well, they've made it 20 miles further north. If they plan on getting to the border by election day they're going to have to pick up the pace.

Regarding who's funding this "march", I've heard names dropped from all over the place. Obviously Soros' name is in there on the left but he's not the only deep pockets donor on the left. Then there's the notion that it's some right sided deep pockets trying to keep the post Kavanaugh anger going. Then there's the cartel angle. That one's interesting only in trying to noodle out what they have to gain. And last but not least is that Venezuela is backer. If so then Maduro is truly playing with fire. And as long as you're throwing around names of foreign states why not Russia or China? Creating a little more chaos for your adversary can't hurt, right?

Whoever it is will eventually become known albeit that information may not become public. You can't move that much money around without leaving a trail. The exception being the cartel(s) who move cash and avoid the international banking system like the plague.

Left-wing groups are taking credit and another one is forming.
Shep Smith went out of his way to find still pictures and interviews with women in the caravan, but across FOX and CBS, when they show the caravan unedited streaming by, it's all young men. And now after days of calling Trump a liar (I wonder if Shep is paying attention) DHS is confirming a malevolent (criminals and gang members) element to this caravan.

 

[Adre]

I'm sick to death of Democrats accusing Republicans of fear-monger and hate, when for the last two years everything that the Dems are about is their hate of Trump and the fear mongering they have been using for him to turn the Congress.

Were you ever sick to death of the hate directed at Obama, because I don’t recall your protest of that horrid show of incivility and fear mongering.

 

[phrodeau]

Meanwhile, there is no travel ban for Saudi Arabia.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Nice emotional appeal.

Exactly why should we take in anyone from anywhere who is stuck with a dysfunctional government?

Both Guatemala and Honduras are Republics with the heads of state elected by popular vote. In other words the people got the government they voted for. Go back home and vote for qualified, honest, candidates.

It's a variant of, we're a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of conquerers, the conquered, exploiters imported slaves and exported criminals. I guess his argument is that allowing some criminal and gang activity into the US is going to make us stronger. Why he's not demanding that Canad should get its fair share of the invasion is beyond me...

 

[beew]

I keep thinking about this issue, and I'm stunned.

This is a completely different, a separate issue from the previous Illegal immigration. Mexicans who entered illegally knew they were breaking the law, so they did it furtively.

But this is an act of defiance: Fuck your borders, fuck your laws.

 

[Rightguide]

Left-wing groups are taking credit and another one is forming.
Shep Smith went out of his way to find still pictures and interviews with women in the caravan, but across FOX and CBS, when they show the caravan unedited streaming by, it's all young men. And now after days of calling Trump a liar (I wonder if Shep is paying attention) DHS is confirming a malevolent (criminals and gang members) element to this caravan.

Shep would make a good addition over at MSPMS.

Many of those on the caravan are hopping on north bound trucks and other vehicles. What would George Patton do and Blackjack Pershing do? They'd have our military standing astride every major northbound road a hundred miles down into Mexico.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Well, beew, they sure are getting enough green flags from the sanctuary movement in our country; come to California, we will welcome you, take care of you, give you work and in general, treat you like an undocumented citizen, not an illegal immigrant.

 

[Rightguide]

I keep thinking about this issue, and I'm stunned.

This is a completely different, a separate issue from the previous Illegal immigration. Mexicans who entered illegally knew they were breaking the law, so they did it furtively.

But this is an act of defiance: Fuck your borders, fuck your laws.

Thus we should say, "fuck your human rights."

 

[doowdniw]

Or it could just be the old risk reward analysis, with the risk slightly mitigated by a perceived security in numbers.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Shep would make a good addition over at MSPMS.

Many of those on the caravan are hopping on north bound trucks and other vehicles. What would George Patton do and Blackjack Pershing do? They'd have our military standing astride every major northbound road a hundred miles down into Mexico.

Even the UN is aghast at the stunt they are pulling, siding with the US and begging Mexico to turn them around. Mexico is corrupt and the cartels smell opportunity with waves of people headed to California, stealing resources away from other borders, so they are probably threatening the government in name only to look the other way as long as they are headed for California.

 

[Adre]

I keep thinking about this issue, and I'm stunned.

This is a completely different, a separate issue from the previous Illegal immigration. Mexicans who entered illegally knew they were breaking the law, so they did it furtively.

But this is an act of defiance: Fuck your borders, fuck your laws.

There’s no law against presenting yourself at the border and saying I want to get in and get a job. And I question whether you “keep thinking.”

 

[beew]

There’s no law against presenting yourself at the border and saying I want to get in and get a job. And I question whether you “keep thinking.”

Not for Europeans lol.
They're overscrutinized and visas applications get rejected very easy.

Just stop the bullshit. You guys either want a PanAmerica, or cheap labor.

 

[Rightguide]

Even the UN is aghast at the stunt they are pulling, siding with the US and begging Mexico to turn them around. Mexico is corrupt and the cartels smell opportunity with waves of people headed to California, stealing resources away from other borders, so they are probably threatening the government in name only to look the other way as long as they are headed for California.

I think the cartels control the Mexican government enough to paralyze it. This is why we might have to take extraordinary security measures.

 

[phrodeau]

Immigrants are responsible for less crime than citizens. Everybody should know that.

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/vie...90264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

https://psmag.com/social-justice/re...migration-does-not-lead-to-higher-crime-rates

https://www.businessinsider.com/undocumented-aliens-violent-crime-murder-statistics-data-2018-8

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/irpb-4-updated.pdf

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b7ed2e9e199f3592e8b4854-640-467.png

 

[SpeareChucker]

Fake stats Frodo.
No matter how many times you are showed the flaws in the methodology, for example, most police departments do not indicate citizenship, it's your go to lie because it says something that you want to believe.

 

[Adre]

Not for Europeans lol.
They're overscrutinized and visas applications get rejected very easy.

Just stop the bullshit. You guys either want a PanAmerica, or cheap labor.

You guys? America wants cheap labor. Many of my conservative friends eat at restaurants nightly. Go check who’s working in the kitchen. Fucking hypocrites every one of you.

 

[beew]

You guys? America wants cheap labor. Many of my conservative friends eat at restaurants nightly. Go check who’s working in the kitchen. Fucking hypocrites every one of you.

You're the racists and hypochrites, you fucktards.

None of you want South American or European nurses, or computer specialists.

You only want people who haven't even finished high school, to scrub your toilets.

 

[Rightguide]

Immigrants are responsible for less crime than citizens. Everybody should know that.

http://criminology.oxfordre.com/vie...90264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-93

https://psmag.com/social-justice/re...migration-does-not-lead-to-higher-crime-rates

https://www.businessinsider.com/undocumented-aliens-violent-crime-murder-statistics-data-2018-8

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/irpb-4-updated.pdf

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b7ed2e9e199f3592e8b4854-640-467.png

Immigrants are 22 percent of federal prison population.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/1/immigrants-22-percent-federal-prison-population/

 

[bellisarius]

Immigrants are 22 percent of federal prison population.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/1/immigrants-22-percent-federal-prison-population/

The operative word in frodo's graphs is "conviction." How many that are known to be illegals and committed some crime have disappeared into the woodwork or scurried back across the border? Mexico will not extradite to Texas because Texas still has the death penalty.

 

[phrodeau]

The operative word in frodo's graphs is "conviction." How many that are known to be illegals and committed some crime have disappeared into the woodwork or scurried back across the border? Mexico will not extradite to Texas because Texas still has the death penalty.

You're thinking of roaches. We're discussing people here.

 

[phrodeau]

Immigrants are 22 percent of federal prison population.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/1/immigrants-22-percent-federal-prison-population/

Multiple scientific studies or a single government report, whom to believe?

 

[Rightguide]

You're thinking of roaches. We're discussing people here.

No, we're talking illegal aliens.

 

[phrodeau]

No, we're talking illegal aliens.

Oh, I get it now. They are not people.

So they wouldn't have anything to do with people-jobs, people-voting, people-welfare, people-terrorism or people-diseases, and there's no way for your daughter to ever marry one. What's the problem then?

 

[Aglaopheme]

Or it could just be the old risk reward analysis, with the risk slightly mitigated by a perceived security in numbers.

It’s not like Honduras is a really violent, the most violent, county in the Americas. It’s not like one has as much to fear from the police as they do from the gangs, or anything. As for women in Honduras:

https://www.nationalobserver.com/sites/nationalobserver.com/files/styles/body_img/public/img/2018/02/23/bullets-template_1.jpg?itok=7BGJqG9Z

 

[SpeareChucker]

So if your support of this migration of people is "femicide," then why is the caravan 90% young male and not 90% terrified women?

It looks more like the exportation of violence against women headed to the US...

Macho, macho, macho men!