Democrats do not want open borders - stop lying

[BoyNextDoor]

More bullshit. The often repeated lie is still a lie.

 

[Kirkrapine]

And no...America shouldn't go there, social and economic oppression isn't what the USA is about.

No one who lives under social democracy is oppressed.

 

[Luk]

BotanyBoy has completely destroyed the premise of this thread and the credibility of BoreNextDoor.

https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=89889136&postcount=76

Only because you both are cut from the same dumbfuck cloth. Posting pictures of random douchebags being douchebags isn't proof of anything. They could be republicans. They could be commies. Some of those pics aren't even from the US so please do fuck off with your ignorant partisan ass.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No one who lives under social democracy is oppressed.

Democracy =/= freedom for the umpteenth time.

Democratically choosing to oppress people via socialism doesn't make it not oppression.

There are countless examples throughout history of mob rule resulting in terrible outcomes because the mob is fucking retarded and needs to be tempered.

Venezuela is one of a few a current examples of democracy being anything but free, liberal or even remotely close to what is considered civilized in the 1st world.

Only because you both are cut from the same dumbfuck cloth. Posting pictures of random douchebags being douchebags isn't proof of anything. They could be republicans. They could be commies. Some of those pics aren't even from the US so please do fuck off with your ignorant partisan ass.

Still doesn't realize that (D)emocrat vice chair and (D)emocrat activist aren't random douchebags but (D)emocrat (D)ouchebags and (D)emocrat congressional leadership and they are openly supporting open borders despite his fantasies to the contrary.

He's just torn between reality and partisan loyalty.

Just own it buddy....the precious (D)'s you love are a bunch of fucking idiots no better than the spineless turds in the (R)epublican party.

 

[Luk]

Still doesn't realize that (D)emocrat vice chair and (D)emocrat activist aren't random douchebags but (D)emocrat (D)ouchebags and (D)emocrat congressional leadership and they are openly supporting open borders despite his fantasies to the contrary.

He's just torn between reality and partisan loyalty.

You're a bit slow. I know you haven't the mental capacity to understand that people within their own party can disagree. EDIT: I fucked this part up

So you named a single Dem and a Dem activist. The Dems as a whole do not support open borders. That's your partisan lie that no one believes besides you, 45, vettebither and the rest of your Trumplitard brethren.

Own what? You side with every Trumplitard here, you share their values and political ideals, yet you claim to not be one of them. Own that.

ETA: you actually didn't even name a Dem activist, you just typed the word "activist".

 

[bellisarius]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch. Attribute that to ole Ben Franklin. But it is spot on, mob rule. Every lynching ever documented was done 'democratically.'

Democracies rot from the bottom, Monarchies (Dictatorships, etc) rot from the top. You can attribute that to me.

And that's why the US was formed as a Federal Republic. An attempt to stave off the rot for as long as possible.

 

[Luk]

Democracies rot from the bottom, Monarchies (Dictatorships, etc) rot from the top. You can attribute that to me.

Then why do you support a person in the White House who fancies brutal dictators and wants to not have term limits for President?

Fuck, why do you idiots always do this to yourselves?

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're a bit slow. I know you haven't the mental capacity to understand that people within their own party can disagree. I support the fuck out of most of what she does but open borders is a fool's game.

Who? The DNC vice chair?

So you named a single Dem and a Dem activist. The Dems as a whole do not support open borders. That's your partisan lie that no one believes besides you, 45, vettebither and the rest of your Trumplitard brethren.

It's not just one dem and one activist.

There are tens of thousands of dems who supported abolishing ICE chanting "no borders, no walls, no deportation at all!!! " and similar anti-border/immigration enforcement slogans.

Have you not been paying attention to all these protest the (D)'s have been putting on and supporting?

Own what?

What part of "the precious (D)'s you love are a bunch of fucking idiots no better than the spineless turds in the (R)epublican party." did you not understand??

You side with every Trumplitard here, you share their values and political ideals, yet you claim to not be one of them. Own that.

No I don't....and I won't because you can't back it up.

Not being a (D)ick sucker doesn't make you a Trumptard.

ETA: you actually didn't even name a Dem activist, you just typed the word "activist".

Look at them piled up man.

Are you saying none of these anti ICE protest never happened?

Pretty sure several Dumz here claimed to go to them.

Are you saying they aren't Democrats or not activists?

 

[Rightguide]

Luk is probably the most injured intellect on Lit.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch. Attribute that to ole Ben Franklin. But it is spot on, mob rule. Every lynching ever documented was done 'democratically.'

Democracies rot from the bottom, Monarchies (Dictatorships, etc) rot from the top. You can attribute that to me.

And that's why the US was formed as a Federal Republic. An attempt to stave off the rot for as long as possible.

As long as we are quoting Franklin:

Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Here is the Democratic Party Platform

On borders:

The Americas are a region of singular strategic, economic, and cultural importance and opportunity for the United States. Democrats reject Donald Trump’s proposal to build a wall on our southern border and alienate Mexico, a valuable partner. We will instead embrace our neighbors and pursue strong, fruitful partnerships across the region, from Canada to Latin America and the Caribbean. We will bolster democratic institutions, promote economic opportunity and prosperity, and tackle the rise of drugs, transnational crime, and corruption.

On immigration:

The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security. People should come to the United States with visas and not through smugglers. Yet, we recognize that the current immigration system is broken.


Notice that nowhere is there any advocacy for "open borders".

 

[Kirkrapine]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch.

Actually, democracy is two lambs and a wolf voting on lunch -- because in human society the lambs always outnumber the wolves, and that and democracy are the only defenses they have.

 

[von_Bismarck]

I still don't understand why Ismale and AJ are insisting something like all democracy is direct democracy. Didn't they take high school civics? Democracy has at least three different varieties.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I still don't understand why Ismale and AJ are insisting something like all democracy is direct democracy. Didn't they take high school civics? Democracy has at least three different varieties.

Direct, representative -- what's the third?

 

[Que]

Here is the Democratic Party Platform

On borders:

The Americas are a region of singular strategic, economic, and cultural importance and opportunity for the United States. Democrats reject Donald Trump’s proposal to build a wall on our southern border and alienate Mexico, a valuable partner. We will instead embrace our neighbors and pursue strong, fruitful partnerships across the region, from Canada to Latin America and the Caribbean. We will bolster democratic institutions, promote economic opportunity and prosperity, and tackle the rise of drugs, transnational crime, and corruption.

On immigration:

The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security. People should come to the United States with visas and not through smugglers. Yet, we recognize that the current immigration system is broken.


Notice that nowhere is there any advocacy for "open borders".

"The current system is broken" is code for "If the current system was not "broken" (i.e. numbers and groups favored by Democrats as potential DNC voters allowed in) these best future hope of America to erase the evil whiteness of America would not HAVE to utilize smugglers."

The "role of a beacon of hope" is silly. They don't favor being of Beacon of Hope to Cubans, Asians or Europeans.

Progressives are champions of simply redefining words and ideas to mean what they don't mean in order to disguise what it is they want to do. If you don't want to call it open borders what do you want to call their opposition of preventing border transit and their policy of olly olly oxen free for anyone who is caught here illegally. They don't favor keeping illegals out and they don't favor deportation. They cannot even admit an illegal is an illegal.

How is that not open borders?

 

[BotanyBoy]

"The current system is broken" is code for "If the current system was not "broken" (i.e. numbers and groups favored by Democrats as potential DNC voters allowed in) these best future hope of America to erase the evil whiteness of America would not HAVE to utilize smugglers."

The "role of a beacon of hope" is silly. They don't favor being of Beacon of Hope to Cubans, Asians or Europeans.

Progressives are champions of simply redefining words and ideas to mean what they don't mean in order to disguise what it is they want to do. If you don't want to call it open borders what do you want to call their opposition of preventing border transit and their policy of olly olly oxen free for anyone who is caught here illegally. They don't favor keeping illegals out and they don't favor deportation. They cannot even admit an illegal is an illegal.

How is that not open borders?

They don't understand not securing your borders or enforcing immigration policy like they want IS being in favor of open borders.

 

[Luk]

Who? The DNC vice chair?




It's not just one dem and one activist.

There are tens of thousands of dems who supported abolishing ICE chanting "no borders, no walls, no deportation at all!!! " and similar anti-border/immigration enforcement slogans.

Have you not been paying attention to all these protest the (D)'s have been putting on and supporting?



What part of "the precious (D)'s you love are a bunch of fucking idiots no better than the spineless turds in the (R)epublican party." did you not understand??



No I don't....and I won't because you can't back it up.

Not being a (D)ick sucker doesn't make you a Trumptard.



Look at them piled up man.

Are you saying none of these anti ICE protest never happened?

Pretty sure several Dumz here claimed to go to them.

Are you saying they aren't Democrats or not activists?

Thanks for admitting that you don't know what you're talking about. Apology accepted.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Thanks for admitting that you don't know what you're talking about. Apology accepted.

Says the idiot who thinks the DNC vice chair is a her.

BTW you failed to refute anything I said, better luck next time tiger

 

[Oblimo]

"The current system is broken" is code for "If the current system was not "broken" (i.e. numbers and groups favored by Democrats as potential DNC voters allowed in) these best future hope of America to erase the evil whiteness of America would not HAVE to utilize smugglers."

You know this, how?

The "role of a beacon of hope" is silly.

I’m a third generation immigrant American on my father’s side, 5th on my mother’s. It wasn’t silly back then. What generation American are you?

They don't favor being of Beacon of Hope to Cubans, Asians or Europeans.

And you hate Lima beans. I know this without asking because I make shit up that I accept as incontrovertible because it comports to my worldview and expectations.

Progressives are champions of simply redefining words and ideas to mean what they don't mean in order to disguise what it is they want to do. If you don't want to call it open borders what do you want to call their opposition of preventing border transit and their policy of olly olly oxen free for anyone who is caught here illegally. They don't favor keeping illegals out and they don't favor deportation. They cannot even admit an illegal is an illegal.

And illegal is an illegal. Our borders have been too porous for too long, thanks to both parties kicking the can for over 30 years, leading people to stupidly risk their lives to skirt the system, and backbone industries to become dependent on illegal migrant workers to maintain the costs and margins the industries need to keep themselves afloat. It is a total clusterfuck and I’m not sure how to fix it. I do know that “no borders at all” is just as fucking stupid as Stalin-style mass deportation.

Did I blow your mind, am I lying, or am I not a true Scotsman?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I’m a third generation immigrant American on my father’s side, 5th on my mother’s. It wasn’t silly back then. What generation American are you?

And I'm betting back then things were WAY more libertarian, so immigration didn't really matter quite as because everyone was allowed to take care of themselves and thus were responsible for their own shit.

Totally unlike today where the big goal IS a welfare state and you want to open the borders to all the "have not" folks of the world in order to sell them welfare for votes.

And you hate Lima beans. I know this without asking because I make shit up that I accept as incontrovertible because it comports to my worldview and expectations.

Or he's right on the money and it's just irking your partisan tits something ferocious.

"Progressive" and "Intersectional Social Justice" dipshits fucking hate minorities who don't conform to their "oppressed by evil whiteness" narrative.

That's why Asians and Latinos who aren't poor are white people and to be hated as white people, the great oppressors, until wronged by an authority figure of Caucasian ethnicity and thus a more oppressive whiteness than Asians or Latinos are capable of.

And illegal is an illegal.

Oh shit...sounding like a reich winger Nazi there Oh-Bo!!

Just ask around, no such thing as illegal to a progressive, you're now a racist nazi.

 

[Oblimo]

And I'm betting back then things were WAY more libertarian

Top tax bracket was 90%

Totally unlike today where the big goal IS a welfare state and you want to open the borders to all the "have not" folks of the world in order to sell them welfare for votes.

I want to? Really?

Or he's right on the money and it's just irking your partisan tits something ferocious.

I’m talking about my opinions, and your best method to discover them is to read what I write.

Oh shit...sounding like a reich winger Nazi there Oh-Bo!!

Just ask around, no such thing as illegal to a progressive, you're now a racist nazi.

No, you’re just being a cunt and falling back on a no true Scotsman argument.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Top tax bracket was 90%

WWII?

And holy shit 5 generations since then?

I want to? Really?

Well you seem to to be a HUGELY defense major (D) fan.

Am I wrong?

I’m talking about my opinions, and your best method to discover them is to read what I write.

Looks like you were telling Q what his were because you didn't like his opinion on the issue.

No, you’re just being a cunt and falling back on a no true Scotsman argument.

I'm just using "PROGRESSIVE" Dumocrap logic on you....don't like it?

Wow...that just verifies you're a Trumpette with a capital T.

 

[Oblimo]

WWII?

And holy shit 5 generations since then?

Three, as I said, on my father’s side.

Well you seem to to be a HUGELY defense major (D) fan.

Am I wrong?

Define “fan.” I vote Democratic the majority of the time.

Looks like you were telling Q what his were because you didn't like his opinion on the issue.

Look again. He’s talking about what other people believe. And he seem to me to be basing it on the stereotypes in his own head, because the person he was arguing against posted the Democratic platform, and he kept talking about some unspecified people.

I'm just using "PROGRESSIVE" Dumocrap logic on you....don't like it?

Sounds like something BBXI would say. I’m disppointed but not surprised.

Wow...that just verifies you're a Trumpette with a capital T.

You love your stupid fucking labels more than any politically correct whinger ever did. You jibber and jabber, constructive communication is impossible. Adios.

 

[Luk]

Says the idiot who thinks the DNC vice chair is a her.

BTW you failed to refute anything I said, better luck next time tiger

Except that I'm smart enough to know that I made a mistake and corrected myself.

Refute what exactly? You're hell-bent on being Right when you're clearly wrong so what's the point? Many republicans are against ICE, the border wall, and kidnapping children. Half of the people in your images are probably republicans.

Oops.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Three, as I said, on my father’s side.

Eh...nothing un-liberal about protecting yourself, the big turn for the worst was really to come at that point.

Define “fan.” I vote Democratic the majority of the time.

fan noun (2)
Definition of fan (Entry 3 of 3)
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fan

You jibber and jabber, constructive communication is impossible. Adios.

Well when half the time you won't accept the dictionaries and encyclopedias definitions of words nor offer your own personal definition yea that makes shit difficult.