Elizabeth Warren proves her ancestry; embarrasses shit out of Trump & Trumpsters

[bigsly]

And so it starts.

Another woman with high political aspirations being demonized. And on the other side a shrug and a yawn... status quo.

I'm seeing a pattern.

Thankfully, gaggles of reasonable Democrats are now demonizing socialist Warren's despicable cry for fake attention toward her 2020 aspirations because it's unnecessarily taking attention away from the upcoming election just 3 weeks from today. Those Democrats are justifiably asking "Why now?" Why not at least wait until after November 6? Warren's insistence on the DNA spotlight being shined on her now has hurt herself among Democrats more than anything else.

 

[adrina]

There isn't just one "American public." It's a sweeping generalization of humongous proportions to tag everyone with the same attitude or action. I'll bet it isn't even 30 percent of the American public that is riding Warren about her ancestry.

Yet it's a headline on every major news outlet.

Sweeping generalization my ass. Go talk down to someone else.

Google news coverage on HRC, Sanders and Trump during the campaign.

What you want to deny the wart on America's nose is beyond me.

ETA... See the post above mine for the canary in the equivocation coal mine.

 

[phrodeau]

It's just hilarious to see Republicans so interested in science all of a sudden.

 

[KeithD]

Yet it's a headline on every major news outlet.

Sweeping generalization my ass. Go talk down to someone else.

Google news coverage on HRC, Sanders and Trump during the campaign.

What you want to deny the wart on America's nose is beyond me.

ETA... See the post above mine for the canary in the equivocation coal mine.

Every headline isn't critical of Warren in this, though. And of course it's a sweeping generalization that paints everyone as reacting in one way. Why YOU want to paint everyone as having this wart on their nose on this is beyond me. In this sweeping generalization, you've included yourself.

 

[adrina]

Every headline isn't critical of Warren in this, though. And of course it's a sweeping generalization that paints everyone as reacting in one way. Why YOU want to paint everyone as having this wart on their nose on this is beyond me. In this sweeping generalization, you've included yourself.

Check the headlines. They're not positive. They're critical.

Quit speaking out of your ass.

If you don't recognize how sexist America is perhaps you may like to try spending a few days as a woman.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

And after all is said and done...Donald Trump will be reelected in 2020.

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It's just hilarious to see Republicans so interested in science all of a sudden.

Almost as funny as seeing them so devoted to due process a couple of weeks ago.

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[Comshaw]

"Tribes do not use dna as a factor in deciding tribal affiliation. They use lineage records. She never claimed, or attempted to claim, membership with a tribe, only that there was Cherokee blood in her heritage. Big difference."
Comshaw


She still hasn't proven it.

When you close your eyes and wish really hard, no she hasn't. Those of us who have open eyes and internal honesty see that she has proven to have native american blood in her linage. She claims it, by family oral history, as Cherokee. No one can refute that because no one knows which tribe it comes from only that she does have (again no matter the amount it is still there and that was ALL she ever claimed) native american blood. Repeating an argument without supporting evidence doesn't make it any more valid. "She still hasn't proved it." Is a long way from refuting my argument.

Try again.


Comshaw

 

[beew]

It's not Trump I'm talking about. That loudmouthed gasbag is a given in his inappropriate, unprofessional and over the top behavior. The American public however is showing no signs it has learned the lesson of sexist attitudes and how they effect perception and behavior.

I personally found the Rory type of posts from this thread : “Look, we won! She has Native American blood. You stupid we clever!”
-to be hillarious. Projection at it’s finest.

And you have to admit, she put herself in a ridiculous and silly situation.
Why on Earth did she do it? Maybe because people would have found out eventually that she took the test, and would have attacked her for being secretive? Who knows…

But you’re right, it's starting to turn ugly out there.

But it’s not because she’s a woman. It’s so annoying how you turn everything into that.
They’re just dirty campaign smear tactics. Hillary, Trump and Obama were equally smeared in far worse ways than she.

 

[Wrong Element]

One "story" Warren told was that her great-great grand uncle, William J. Crawford, claimed his mother, O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford, Warren's great-great-great grandmother, was a Cherokee, based on a 1894 Oklahoma Territory marriage license application. Unfortunately for that tale, the marriage license makes no such claim of Cherokee ancestry. Plus, Warren's x3grandmother was listed in the Census of 1860 as "white" and was most likely half Swedish and half English, Scottish, or German, or some combination of either - which precisely points to Warren's own primary DNA.

Even crazier is that O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford's husband, Warren's x3grandfather Jonathan Crawford, served in the East Tennessee Mounted Infantry Volunteer Militia from late 1835 to late 1836. It was the Tennessee Militia which rounded up Cherokees from their family homes in the Southeastern United States and herded them into government-built stockades in what was then called Ross’s Landing (now Chattanooga), Tennessee, the point of origin for the horrific Trail of Tears, which began in January, 1837.

Cracker white guilt much?

Another of Warren's "stories" was that her mother and father had to elope because her father's parents forbid them to marry because her mother had both Cherokee and Delaware blood in her. If that was even close to being true, her recently purchased DNA test should've backed-up that "story" at least somewhat. Alas, socialist Warren's actual intent for offering up that "story" wasn't to point out her fabricated heritage, but to disingenuously highlight her own projection of discrimination.



Unfortunately, as entered into evidence earlier, Bustamante determined the "likely" evidence of Warren's 1024th chance of Native American heritage only from the DNA of Mexican, Peruvian and Colombian samples, combined with his theory of population migration.

The story I was always told about the first Element in the new world is that he was impressed into the British Navy and jumped overboard in Canada to get the hell out. Is it true? I haven't the faintest idea, nor is it really very important.

Unless the belief here is that Warren is lying when she says that she was told family stories about having a Native background, why is this so important to so many of you? Families bullshitting about colorful ancestors is as American as pumpkin pie.

 

[Dazzle1]

Warren and the Globe made idiots of themselves. The percentage she has is less than the average white person.

She lied and everyone knows it

 

[RobDownSouth]

Warren and the Globe made idiots of themselves. The percentage she has is less than the average white person.

She lied and everyone knows it

https://i.imgur.com/ERNAWmv.jpg

 

[Kirkrapine]

If you don't recognize how sexist America is perhaps you may like to try spending a few days as a woman.

Many guys choose that, you know, knowing that they'll be letting themselves in for even more shit than a woman born has to endure.

 

[bigsly]

Families bullshitting about colorful ancestors is as American as pumpkin pie.

That's exactly Warren's problem: instead of simply conveying the traditional American, casual fabrication of it all, instead she's seriously intent on impossibly proving her own fabrication and not letting it go, simply because she's honestly trapped fully within it now.

I'm just delighted many Democrats are now inadvertently telling her to pipe down:

Argue the substance all you want, but why 22 days before a crucial election where we MUST win house and senate to save America, why did @SenWarren have to do her announcement now? Why can’t Dems ever stay focused???
https://twitter.com/Messina2012/status/1051851241561710594

Socialist Warren is evidently oblivious to the support she's losing among the DNC.

 

[KeithD]

Check the headlines. They're not positive. They're critical.

Quit speaking out of your ass.

If you don't recognize how sexist America is perhaps you may like to try spending a few days as a woman.

Ahh, playing the gender card. And being nasty about it. Of course.


You're welcome to your sweeping generalizations. They destroy your "case." Beyond that, nothing in what I posted has anything remotely to do with what I think about "how sexist America is." This "discussion" was strictly on how "everyone" is picking on Elizabeth Warren. "Everyone" isn't picking on Elizabeth Warren over this. You are making crap up while you're irrelevantly flipping your gender card out on me. I'm not taking that crap from you. It has nothing to do with you being a woman and I'm not.


LATER: I ran a google search on "newspaper headlines on elizabeth warren dna test results" (which I'll bet you didn't bother to do before asserting your "everyone" is criticizing her charge and I came up with mixed results--not an "everyone" on anything.) You're just starting with the conclusion you want to have and not even bothering to substantiate it--and then attacking anyone taking a balanced view.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

"Tribes do not use dna as a factor in deciding tribal affiliation. They use lineage records. She never claimed, or attempted to claim, membership with a tribe, only that there was Cherokee blood in her heritage. Big difference."
Comshaw


She still hasn't proven it.

For the purposes of the bet, this does not matter. He challenged her on DNA and she provided it.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

And so it starts.

Another woman with high political aspirations being demonized. And on the other side a shrug and a yawn... status quo.

I'm seeing a pattern.

I agree with you..
But she brought this on herself. Warren is smarter than this, she should have known the negative reaction she would get. Frankly she did exactly what people accuse women of all the time: she let her emotions dictate her actions.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

^^^ Butthurt Meatstack ^^^​

She can dish it out but squeals when someone returns fire.

I didn't know the word "butt hurt" made a come back from 2008 but here we are. What am I butt hurt about? And what is a "meatsstack" anyway? I need to understand why that is supposed to upset me.

 

[KeithD]

I think Elizabeth Warren will be just fine here and will continue to be a strong voice for reason. And I think this was yet another "gotcha" against Trump. I'd like to see her putting "how long my family's been American and yours hasn't" elements into her speeches.

Sorry if there are those of you who don't have faith in Warren's ability to keep on top of this.

 

[phrodeau]

I agree with you..
But she brought this on herself. Warren is smarter than this, she should have known the negative reaction she would get. Frankly she did exactly what people accuse women of all the time: she let her emotions dictate her actions.

She took a DNA test. I'll bet that there are dozens of people who do that just to learn about their origins. There sure are enough advertisements around for such services.

No less than the President of the United States suggested that she take the test. In times past, that would be regarded as a Royal Command.

You apparently have a reason to say that emotions led to her decision. I say it was entirely rational.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Check the headlines. They're not positive. They're critical.

Quit speaking out of your ass.

If you don't recognize how sexist America is perhaps you may like to try spending a few days as a woman.

How exactly is the USA, as a nation, sexist?

 

[Rightguide]

For the purposes of the bet, this does not matter. He challenged her on DNA and she provided it.

So he should give her 1/1024 of a million, which I think is $977.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

She took a DNA test. I'll bet that there are dozens of people who do that just to learn about their origins. There sure are enough advertisements around for such services.

No less than the President of the United States suggested that she take the test. In times past, that would be regarded as a Royal Command.

You apparently have a reason to say that emotions led to her decision. I say it was entirely rational.

If you say it was rational to release her DNA results, then you must also admit it was stupid. The results in terms of her professional life have been quite negative.

 

[bigsly]

For the purposes of the bet, this does not matter. He challenged her on DNA and she provided it.

No he didn't. He specifically challenged her being "an Indian".

Does her genetic test based wholly on Mexican, Peruvian and Colombian DNA samples - not on any Native American Indian DNA samples - prove her to be "an Indian"?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

So he should give her 1/1024 of a million, which I think is $977.

Nope. His challenge was clear. Any portion at all in the DNA test is a win for her. But in the end she still loses in terms of PR.

Money well spent, Trump, to neutralize a future opponent. Pay out the money, don't be a bitch.

 

[Adre]

If the Dems nominate her, well, then they deserve the bad outcome they’re almost sure to receive.