Faith is a vice, not a virtue

[Kirkrapine]

I'm sick of hearing religious people boast of their faith as if it were an admirable quality. It is not. All faith -- i.e., belief in the truth of things on no or on admittedly insufficient evidence -- is a form of wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is not always wrong, but it is always suspect, and you don't need to be a philosopher or a lawyer to see why. Intellectually, and even spiritually, it is a vice, not a virtue.

 

[HelpImLost]

Perhaps you need some time away from my God thread, arguing and debating back and fourth with that tryharder individual? I wish a few of you would, actually.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Perhaps you need some time away from my God thread, arguing and debating back and fourth with that tryharder individual? I wish a few of you would, actually.

It's not your fault or hers, I've been meaning to post a thread like this for a while.

 

[CandiCame]

I agree UNLESS you're playing Star Fox: Dinosaur Planet for Gamecube. There's a level that you can't get through unless you take a leap of faith.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I agree UNLESS you're playing Star Fox: Dinosaur Planet for Gamecube. There's a level that you can't get through unless you take a leap of faith.

I stopped playing video/computer games around the time Ms. Pac-Man came on the market.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

It's not enough for the GB lefties to start hate thread after hate thread about republicans, now it's the religious. It's best not to believe in anything, I suppose.

 

[Liar]

We all have faith in shit we've made up. God, order, karma, big dick energy, justice, morals, the female orgasm...

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

Science.

 

[CandiCame]

I stopped playing video/computer games around the time Ms. Pac-Man came on the market.

You're like 18...

 

[FGB]

I'm sick of hearing religious people boast of their faith as if it were an admirable quality. It is not. All faith -- i.e., belief in the truth of things on no or on admittedly insufficient evidence -- is a form of wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is not always wrong, but it is always suspect, and you don't need to be a philosopher or a lawyer to see why. Intellectually, and even spiritually, it is a vice, not a virtue.

Yeah.

UNTIL God shows up!

He has his own agenda and shows up sometimes with out us asking! or rather sends someone or some being.

When he gets cranked up... he doesn't know how to UN-crank.

Ha! You don't know what spooky is dude!

When he calls YOU will here.

 

[CandiCame]

We all have faith in shit we've made up. God, order, karma, big dick energy, justice, morals, the female orgasm...

YOU MADE ME CHOKE.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Science.

What about science?

Note that confidence =/= faith.

 

[Rightguide]

When all appears lost and fate seems dire. When survival is seemingly impossible and every effort appears hopeless. I want to be surrounded by people with inner faith in themselves, faith in their ability to overcome impossible odds and accomplish what to others seem impossible.

The history of man is filled with such examples of faith over adversity.

 

[CandiCame]

When all appears lost and fate seems dire. When survival is seemingly impossible and every effort appears hopeless. I want to be surrounded by people with inner faith in themselves, faith in their ability to overcome impossible odds and accomplish what to others seem impossible.

The history of man is filled with such examples of faith over adversity.

Confidence. Confidence is the word you're looking for.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Confidence. Confidence is the word you're looking for.

Yep. Confidence. And the will to act. Don't need faith for either of those.

 

[IG_88]

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[CandiCame]

Yep. Confidence. And the will to act. Don't need faith for either of those.

Oh, shit, I didn't even think about the post you already made. That was my bad.

 

[Kirkrapine]

You're like 18...

I'm 55. I have gray hairs old enough to drink.

 

[Kirkrapine]

When all appears lost and fate seems dire. When survival is seemingly impossible and every effort appears hopeless. I want to be surrounded by people with inner faith in themselves, faith in their ability to overcome impossible odds and accomplish what to others seem impossible.

The history of man is filled with such examples of faith over adversity.

Well, that's an entirely different sort of "faith," probably better named "determination."

 

[Rightguide]

Well, that's an entirely different sort of "faith," probably better named "determination."

No, it's faith, period. Determination is initiated and displayed as a result of the motivation created by an inner faith in the success of action, the source of which isn't important.

 

[Kirkrapine]

What about science?

Note that confidence =/= faith.

Science is something we can safely believe in, because scientists can prove everything they say. That's almost the opposite of faith. (The true opposite, I suppose, would be the radical skepticism of David Hume, in whose philosophy we have no really sound reason to expect the Sun to come up tomorrow.)

 

[Kirkrapine]

No, it's faith, period. Determination is initiated and displayed as a result of the motivation created by an inner faith in the success of action, the source of which isn't important.

Except that what you're talking about is clearly not faith -- i.e., belief-without-proof - in the existence of anything of a supernatural or religious nature, and probably has little psychological connection or relevance to the latter type of faith. The man experiencing the kind of thing you're describing is thinking, "I can do it!" Not "God can do it!" Not even "I can do it with God's help!"

 

[SpeareChucker]

This is my dictionary's top definition of faith:

1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something: this restores one's faith in politicians.

The God one is number two...

 

[von_Bismarck]

No, it's faith, period. Determination is initiated and displayed as a result of the motivation created by an inner faith in the success of action, the source of which isn't important.

The source of faith isn't important (to you)? Really? That's surprising, for as much stock as you seem to place in it.

 

[CandiCame]

I'm 55. I have gray hairs old enough to drink.

I'm extremely skeptical that you're in your 50s and didn't know how an asshole worked. You come off like you're about 18. Just throwing that out there. So if you ARE in your 50s, that should be a compliment.