Hypocritical Evanglicals know no bounds

[someoneyouknow]

Jerry Falwell Jr., a top conservative religious leader, said Monday he urged President Donald Trump to fire Jeff Sessions over his handling of investigations into Russian election meddling, saying the attorney general has lost evangelicals' support.

“He really is not on the president’s team, never was,” Falwell, the president of Liberty University, said of Sessions. “He’s wanted to be attorney general for many, many years. I have a feeling he took a gamble and supported the president because he knew he would reward loyalty.”

Apparently blind loyalty is more important than not being married three times, cheating on your wife, having an illegitimate child while cheating on your wife, and colluding with a foreign government to rig a presidential election.

Oh wait. We're talking about a religion which demands blind obedience to a being who slept with another man's wife, got her pregnant, abandoned her, then stood by and did nothing while his only son was murdered on the orders of his chosen people.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/27/jerry-falwell-donald-trump-fire-jeff-sessions-797854

 

[JackLuis]

Fuck Jerry Falwell Jr.!

That is all.

 

[The_Trouvere]

From the time that Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority I have followed the religious right with interest, and some sympathy. I am a mainline Protestant who believes in evolution and a Democrat. Nevertheless, I have always disliked the sexual revolution.

During the 1980's I was a card carrying member of the Moral Majority and a charter subscriber to Jerry Falwell's magazine, The Fundamentalist. If I did not go to church Sunday morning, I watched Jerry Falwell's television ministry, "The Old Time Gospel Hour." While doing this I continued to vote a straight Democrat ticket and I regretted the presidency of Ronald Reagan, although I did not loathe him, as I loathe Trump.

The religious right never wanted to create a theocracy in the United States. At most it wanted to restore the moral ethos of the 1950's. I was a child back then. It was a nice time to be a child. Most Americans attended church on Sunday. The illegitimacy rate was 6%.

Nevertheless, in a country like the United States there is little the government can do to influence religious and sexual behavior. Therefore, they are not really political issues. This is where the religious right erred. The only effect the religious right had was to give the Republican Party the power to cut taxes for the rich.

The support leaders of the religious right have given to Roy Moore and Donald Trump is disappointing to me, but not really surprising. The religious right is desperate. The Republican Party has solicited its votes and financial contributions, while doing nothing to advance its agenda. The American consensus continues to move to the left on social issues.

Roy Moore tried to pick up teenage girls when he was in his thirties. That was bad enough. What is worse, he persisted, in the face of repeated rejection. That is funny in a tasteless sort of way.

Donald Trump is a womanizing pagan. When I was reading the New English Bible as a teenager and serving as an acolyte he was reading and practicing Hugh Hefner's "Playboy Philosophy."

The Evangelical Christian I admire is Jimmy Carter. He has not used his time since his presidency to get rich, although he could. He has lived humbly while building houses for poor people as a member of Habitat for Humanity. If there is anyone who deserves to be called "Mr. President," it is Jimmy Carter.

 

[dan_c00000]

The religious right never wanted to create a theocracy in the United States.

Yes they did. And yes they still do. Your reading of history is clouded by your belief that racist fucks like Falwell were ever good people.

 

[KeithD]

Fuck Jerry Falwell Jr.!

That is all.

Not if it produces a Jerry Falwell the 3rd, please.

 

[KeithD]

Nevertheless, I have always disliked the sexual revolution.

And you're posting to an erotica story site? Have you given that any thought?

 

[The_Trouvere]

And you're posting to an erotica story site? Have you given that any thought?

Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[Boxlicker101]

From the time that Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority I have followed the religious right with interest, and some sympathy. I am a mainline Protestant who believes in evolution and a Democrat. Nevertheless, I have always disliked the sexual revolution.

During the 1980's I was a card carrying member of the Moral Majority and a charter subscriber to Jerry Falwell's magazine, The Fundamentalist. If I did not go to church Sunday morning, I watched Jerry Falwell's television ministry, "The Old Time Gospel Hour." While doing this I continued to vote a straight Democrat ticket and I regretted the presidency of Ronald Reagan, although I did not loathe him, as I loathe Trump.

The religious right never wanted to create a theocracy in the United States. At most it wanted to restore the moral ethos of the 1950's. I was a child back then. It was a nice time to be a child. Most Americans attended church on Sunday. The illegitimacy rate was 6%.

Nevertheless, in a country like the United States there is little the government can do to influence religious and sexual behavior. Therefore, they are not really political issues. This is where the religious right erred. The only effect the religious right had was to give the Republican Party the power to cut taxes for the rich.

The support leaders of the religious right have given to Roy Moore and Donald Trump is disappointing to me, but not really surprising. The religious right is desperate. The Republican Party has solicited its votes and financial contributions, while doing nothing to advance its agenda. The American consensus continues to move to the left on social issues.

Roy Moore tried to pick up teenage girls when he was in his thirties. That was bad enough. What is worse, he persisted, in the face of repeated rejection. That is funny in a tasteless sort of way.

Donald Trump is a womanizing pagan. When I was reading the New English Bible as a teenager and serving as an acolyte he was reading and practicing Hugh Hefner's "Playboy Philosophy."

The Evangelical Christian I admire is Jimmy Carter. He has not used his time since his presidency to get rich, although he could. He has lived humbly while building houses for poor people as a member of Habitat for Humanity. If there is anyone who deserves to be called "Mr. President," it is Jimmy Carter.

As Keith said, if you object to the sexual revolution, this might be the wrong place for you. It is made possible by authors such as him and me and thousands of others. People come here to read our work and peruse the advertisements. There are also many pornographic photos for your edification.

I believe there are some evangelicals who would convert the US into a theocracy if the could. The Plymouth Colony, before there was a United States, was a theocracy. The pilgrim fathers, who are now adored, were a bunch of bigoted assholes while they were in power.

Trump is or was a pagan womanizer, but no worse than some other presidents. You don't hear much about this, because it was considered to be nobody's business back then.

Do you remember what Jimmy Carter said about Lusting in his heart?

 

[The_Trouvere]

It is more satisfying to guide others to take the right path, than to follow it yourself.

One can only improves others by one's example. One cannot force others to improve. This is where the religious right erred.

 

[Boxlicker101]

One can only improves others by one's example. One cannot force others to improve. This is where the religious right erred.

Isn't that basically what a theocracy does? Force the citizens of a country to follow the religious teachings of the theocrats? Some laws, such as those against sodomy and divorce and blasphemy do or did exactly that.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Isn't that basically what a theocracy does? Force the citizens of a country to follow the religious teachings of the theocrats? Some laws, such as those against sodomy and divorce and blasphemy do or did exactly that.

The religious right wants to outlaw abortion and legalize prayer and Bible reading in public schools. During the 1950's abortion was illegal. Public school days often began with prayer and Bible reading. Was the United States a theocracy during the 1950's?

 

[Boxlicker101]

The religious right wants to outlaw abortion and legalize prayer and Bible reading in public schools. During the 1950's abortion was illegal. Public school days often began with prayer and Bible reading. Was the United States a theocracy during the 1950's?

No, although some people wanted it be be one. I attended public schools until 1957, and we never had prayer or bible reading, until "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance.

Prayer is legal now, except schools are not allowed to lead it. If a student wants to pray to himself or herself, that is legal. What is no longer is having an authority figure, such as a teacher, leading the prayer. Islam is sometimes given more leeway than other faiths.

 

[JackLuis]

Reverend labels pro-Trump pastors a ‘direct threat’ to Christian evangelism in stunning editorial

Taylor points out Christians should call out the hypocrisy of their faith leaders, even though it may seem difficult.

“Yes, it will take moral courage and even some significant risk-taking to point out and challenge the hypocrisy and sycophancy we are seeing among many evangelical leaders. But the silence of far too many more moderate to conservative evangelical leaders only enables and reinforces the public’s perception that Trumpism and evangelicalism are one in the same,” he writes.

He notes that Christians must resist Trump, and the “amorality of Trumpism and challenging hypocrisy within the religious right has become an imperative for the witness, integrity, and reputation of the church. Nothing less than the soul of our nation is at stake.”

 

[JackLuis]

Native American Oregon construction worker fired for refusing to attend Bible study: lawsuit

An Oregon construction worker is suing the company he worked for after he said they fired him for refusing to attend a weekly Bible study meeting, The Oregonian reported.

Ryan Coleman’s lawsuit for $800,000 alleges owner Joel Dahl, of Dahld UP Construction, said employees were required to take part in a regular Bible study session by a Christian pastor during their work day. Coleman tried to tell Dahl that it was illegal to require attendance but the boss refused to relent.

 

[dan_c00000]

Islam is sometimes given more leeway than other faiths.

No it's not. Most places (even universities that were once affiliated with various Christian churches) now have nondenominational services and prayer rooms.

You don't know shit, racist.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No it's not. Most places (even universities that were once affiliated with various Christian churches) now have nondenominational services and prayer rooms.

You don't know shit, racist.

Yes it is. The reference here is to public elementary and high schools, and Islam is sometimes being given far more classroom time than other faiths. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/school-for-scandal/

As for not knowing shit, I don't want to know anything about you anyhow.

ETA: I could find a lot of details such as these:https://www.onenewsnow.com/education/2018/03/27/school-dist-justifies-islam. ic-terrorist-group-teaching-kids
https://www*****sitenews.com/news/w...r-attempted-muslim-indoctrination-of-daughter

 

[dan_c00000]

I just owned myself by not reading my own fucking link.

Your Snopes bit literally says this:

Sometimes a clear yes or no answer is impossible to provide, given the quality of the information available and the complexity of the underlying issues. And this is one of those times.

Learn to fucking read, racist.

It's funny how you're so terrified of Islam but you're OK with a bunch of Christian fundamentalists trying to instill their version of a shitty religion onto people who don't want it.

You're a fucking racist box and you got fucking wrecked by your own illiteracy.

 

[sharingfantasies]

Actually the California history standards have sixth and seventh graders learning about the religious beliefs of ancient cultures and how they affect life today.

https://www.scoe.net/castandards/Documents/parent_overview_hss_6-8.pdf

The full wording is here if you want to read all that.
https://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/documents/histsocscistnd.pdf

Students analyze the geographic, political, economic, religious, and social structures of the early civilizations of Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Kush, Ancient Hebrews, Ancient Greece, Brahmanism in India and how they evolved into early Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity, origins of Islam and the life and teachings of Muhammad, including Islamic teachings on the connection with Judaism and Christianity, religious Crusades and their effects on the Christian, Muslim, and Jewish populations in Europe, St. Thomas Aquinas’s synthesis of classical philosophy with Christian theology, religious beliefs of the Meso-American and Andean civilizations, and the Reformation.

So if someone wants to say that students are spending some time on studying the Islam religion, keep in mind that it is a small portion of two years of studying world history from ancient times to the 18th century.

 

[phrodeau]

Children shouldn't be taught about strange, foreign religions. They should be taught about Christianity.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...rphanage-death-catholic-abuse-nuns-st-josephs

 

[Boxlicker101]

Your Snopes bit literally says this:

Sometimes a clear yes or no answer is impossible to provide, given the quality of the information available and the complexity of the underlying issues. And this is one of those times.

Learn to fucking read, racist.

It's funny how you're so terrified of Islam but you're OK with a bunch of Christian fundamentalists trying to instill their version of a shitty religion onto people who don't want it.

You're a fucking racist box and you got fucking wrecked by your own illiteracy.

Do you think I'm illiterate? How many stories have you posted on this site?

Maybe none, maybe many. But one thing you know is how to quote out of context. What you posted does appear in the link, but then the link goes on to describe how extensive and how positive the teaching of Islam is compared to that of other faiths.

"Terrified of Islam" is very much an overstatement, although I do consider militant jihadism to be a menace to the civilized world. I have no affection for fundies of any religion, but if the Christians you mention were hijacking airliners and crashing them into tall buildings, or shooting up newspaper offices because they don't like what is being written, or planting nail bombs in public places or doing similar evil deeds, I would detest them as much as I detest Muslim fundies.

I know there are a few self-styled Christians who do things such as murdering abortionists, but these acts are not committed at the instigation of the clergy.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Children shouldn't be taught about strange, foreign religions. They should be taught about Christianity.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...rphanage-death-catholic-abuse-nuns-st-josephs

Are you aware that Christianity and Islam originated in the same part of the world. The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS originated in America, as did various Native American religions. I don't believe any of those should be taught in public schools either.

 

[dan_c00000]

Do you think I'm illiterate?

I know you're illiterate because you didn't even bother to read you own "proof".

Tell me something, racist, what's printed on our money? Is it Allah's name? Tell me something else, racist, does the Pledge contain the word Allah? Tell me something else, racist, did you learn about the religions of ancient Rome? Greece? Egypt? in school? If you did were you dumb enough to think those schools were promoting Jupiter worship?

You're a pathetic racist and you got fucking wrecked. Enjoy your weekend Klan meeting.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I know you're illiterate because you didn't even bother to read you own "proof".

Tell me something, racist, what's printed on our money? Is it Allah's name? Tell me something else, racist, does the Pledge contain the word Allah? Tell me something else, racist, did you learn about the religions of ancient Rome? Greece? Egypt? in school? If you did were you dumb enough to think those schools were promoting Jupiter worship?

You're a pathetic racist and you got fucking wrecked. Enjoy your weekend Klan meeting.

References to God, Allah, Jehovah, The Great Spirit or The Man Upstairs are all references to a supreme being or creator. They
could be used interchangeably, but usually are not. As far as I am concerned, all are out of place on currency and should not be in the Pledge of Allegiance.

When I was in elementary school, I learned a few things about what are sometimes
called "Pagan Religions." There was no actual promoting of these beliefs, nor was there any of Islam or any other religion except Christianity. The latter would not be allowed now, nor should it be, but it was a common practice in the 1940's and 50's, at least in the school I attended.

Teaching about religion as part of world history or other subjects should be permitted, but sometimes there is a thin line between this and indoctrination. The other links I included, which you may not have read, are about crossing this line. Such crossing describes requiring students to learn parts of the Koran and to follow some Muslim practices, such as fasting during Ramadan. This is the primary purpose of my post with which you seem to be taking issue.

 

[dan_c00000]

This is the primary purpose of my post with which you seem to be taking issue.

No your posts' point is to bash other religions (Islam specifically) because you're a paranoid white supremacist.

Why don't you lie and claim you didn't vote for the Orange Nazi again? That seems like a better course of action for you instead of getting destroyed constantly.

 

[someoneyouknow]

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https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/08/lawsuit_oregon_construction_wo.html