"Co-conspirator" Trump in deep trouble as Cohen pleads guilty

[about_average]

But not formally asserted or charged by any prosecutor in a court of competent jurisdiction.

Funny we have both of Trump's lawyers (one of whom is is a co-conspirator facing 5 years in prison) saying Trump was involved in paying the women off to protect the campaign and Trump on tape conspiring with a person guilty of multiple felonies, yet you claim he hasn't done anything criminal.

Meanwhile, you're constantly calling Obama a criminal even though neither Obama nor any of his associates have ever been charged with a criminal act, much less found guilty of of one.

You love hypocrisy don't you?

 

[jaF0]

But in general the effect of impeachment in overthrowing the will of the electorate is of such magnitude that it really ought to be reserved for willful violations of the law, a la Nixon, imho.

It is not at all clear that Trump knew or had the intention of committing an illegal act at the time he consulted with or even directed Cohen to pay Daniels and McDougal anything. Until such time as Cohen confessed to what is a highly speculative "crime" the fact that a crime existed at all was reasonably disputed.

Donnie is well past Tricky Dick's line. Donnie's more on line with Capone. It just may not have all come out yet.

 

[Pookie]

Most deplorables seem to be taking Muellers team's silence as a sign they have nothing much on Trump. I think that is just so precious.

 

[Adre]

Most deplorables seem to be taking Muellers team's silence as a sign they have nothing much on Trump. I think that is just so precious.

They are not accustomed to a prosecutor who actually takes his responsibility seriously and has great self control. Surprise!

 

[ChinoMoreno]

man this ish is funny as hell, lol

 

[KeithD]

Donnie is well past Tricky Dick's line. Donnie's more on line with Capone. It just may not have all come out yet.

Especially as he's started using the language of mobsters. "rat," "break," "flip." I don't know what more Trump can do to reveal he is guilty of just about everything you could imagine.

 

[butters]

a question, since i am fairly clueless of how things are done over here:

IF trump pardons manafort and then he, himself, is impeached/accused and convicted of crimes during his time as president of the u.s, would that pardon for manafort be revoked or would it stand regardless?

and what is this whole thing with presidential pardons? what was their intended genuine purpose?

 

[IG_88]

Belosi's a worthless toad, just like most other long timers, no matter which side of the aisle they crawl.

But I believe ......

The biggest reason they haven't tried to boot Donnie is twofold.

They want Mikey even less and there may be no way to boot him too.
They want to leave the trash in the foyer for everybody to see until after November hoping the voters will tire of the stench and clean house by voting for goo(D) instead of voting w(R)ong again.

They haven't tried to boot him because there's simply no chance right now. They gotta have control of the house or it's pointless.

 

[IG_88]

a question, since i am fairly clueless of how things are done over here:

IF trump pardons manafort and then he, himself, is impeached/accused and convicted of crimes during his time as president of the u.s, would that pardon for manafort be revoked or would it stand regardless?

and what is this whole thing with presidential pardons? what was their intended genuine purpose?

Not sure if they technically can be revoked but they never are as far as I know. I think that would probably be akin to double jeopardy. Maybe. I dunno.

Presidential pardons are for all kinds of reasons. Most of the time aren't too bad but they all pardon a few friends and neighbors, especially on their last day in office.

 

[070276]

a question, since i am fairly clueless of how things are done over here:

IF trump pardons manafort and then he, himself, is impeached/accused and convicted of crimes during his time as president of the u.s, would that pardon for manafort be revoked or would it stand regardless?

and what is this whole thing with presidential pardons? what was their intended genuine purpose?

Wasn't all that covered in your Welcome to America, Mail Order Bride pamphlet?

 

[IG_88]

Wasn't all that covered in your Welcome to America, Mail Order Bride pamphlet?

No that thing is just tips on avoiding sex until you're a citizen.

 

[butters]

Not sure if they technically can be revoked but they never are as far as I know. I think that would probably be akin to double jeopardy. Maybe. I dunno.

Presidential pardons are for all kinds of reasons. Most of the time aren't too bad but they all pardon a few friends and neighbors, especially on their last day in office.

well thanks for the information as far as you understand the situation

i was wondering if they were originally intended to redress old convictions that were excessive or possibly a miscarriage of justice, such as freeing political prisoners locked up years before for their views, or maybe for (example) a person serving a life sentence for killing their pouse-abuser after many years of torment at tehir hands... that kind of thing.

if a sitting president can just pardon anyone they please, how does that sit with the whole fairness of a judicial system that has (apparently) arrested, accused, tried and convicted a person by jury?

 

[ChinoMoreno]

No that thing is just tips on avoiding sex until you're a citizen.

man that dudes just pissed that his pamphlet said to give his new husband all the sex he wants, lol

 

[IG_88]

well thanks for the information as far as you understand the situation

i was wondering if they were originally intended to redress old convictions that were excessive or possibly a miscarriage of justice, such as freeing political prisoners locked up years before for their views, or maybe for (example) a person serving a life sentence for killing their pouse-abuser after many years of torment at tehir hands... that kind of thing.

if a sitting president can just pardon anyone they please, how does that sit with the whole fairness of a judicial system that has (apparently) arrested, accused, tried and convicted a person by jury?

They do it for all those reasons too. Seems like most of the time the person isn't even in jail anymore tho. A ton of them are long dead by the time they're pardoned.

 

[RoryN]

Manafort juror says one holdout prevented conviction on all 18 counts

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ut-prevented-conviction-all-18-counts-n903036

 

[jaF0]

And that's why unanimous verdicts aren't always best. Sometimes they're needed on violent crimes, but I'm not sure they should be on others.

 

[IG_88]

And that's why unanimous verdicts aren't always best. Sometimes they're needed on violent crimes, but I'm not sure they should be on others.

Always, every time on criminal cases. No exceptions.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Approval of Mueller’s investigation jumps up by 11 points in poll conmdicted by Fox News

A majority of registered voters approve of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and possible obstruction of justice charges against President Trump and members of his administration, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday.

The poll revealed that 59 percent of registered voters approve of Mueller's investigation, marking an 11-point jump from respondents who said the same in a July Fox News poll. Thirty-seven percent of respondents said they disapprove of Mueller's probe.

 

[jaF0]

Always, every time on criminal cases. No exceptions.

Disagree. It's too easy for lawyers to stack juries, or at least get a ringer empaneled, which may be what happened here.

Now, if the jury selection was fully overhauled to leave juror qualification to the courts, with no influence by the lawyers, then maybe.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

It's disappointing, but it's good news to the Mueller team trying to understand what happened.

Manafort juror says one holdout prevented conviction on all 18 counts

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ut-prevented-conviction-all-18-counts-n903036

 

[bbx25]

Why did he plead GUILTY to something that isnt a crime?

WHY?

WE KNOW WHY!

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Disagree. It's too easy for lawyers to stack juries, or at least get a ringer empaneled, which may be what happened here.

Now, if the jury selection was fully overhauled to leave juror qualification to the courts, with no influence by the lawyers, then maybe.

IMHO, the point you are missing here is that law is ultimately a social construct, and an admittedly delicate balance must be struck in its administration between the legal experts and the people at large. Juries provide the latter appropriate role. Judges give them instructions for deliberation that hopefully they are capable and purposeful in following. The existence of any single holdout in a jury verdict does not necessarily disprove that contention.

 

[bbx25]

Approval of Mueller’s investigation jumps up by 11 points in poll conmdicted by Fox News

Fake News

 

[Rightguide]

It's disappointing, but it's good news to the Mueller team trying to understand what happened.

They already understand. They're one juror away from victory in a re-trial.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Trump couldn’t keep his Pecker wrapped.