"Co-conspirator" Trump in deep trouble as Cohen pleads guilty

[Adre]

The only reason they were pursued is because Mueller wanted to get to Trump by persecuting everyone associated with him, but to date has failed.

Stay tuned. Cohen was given several months to cooperate further. And even if Trump can’t be indicted, his lack of decency, humanity, and character will become more vivid and repulsive as time goes along.

 

[070276]

An innocent man.

No such thing exists, as even people like you voluntarily pay for bombs that kill kids on a school bus in Yemen.

 

[jaF0]

The only real crime these two are guilty of is knowing and having been associated with Donald Trump.

Sounds like a Capital Offense to me.

Ya' know, aid and comfort to the enemy and all that.

 

[Rightguide]

Sounds like a Capital Offense to me.

It would.

 

[Rightguide]

Stay tuned. Cohen was given several months to cooperate further. And even if Trump can’t be indicted, his lack of decency, humanity, and character will become more vivid and repulsive as time goes along.

Indicted for what?

 

[Aglaopheme]

7 convictions, 3 corporations and 26 individuals indicted smells like failure to you?

At least others can see the wildly moving goal posts.

 

[chillywilly2]

The only real crime these two are guilty of is knowing and having been associated with Donald Trump.

So, you're saying that if you hang out with president Trump, you can figure on ending up in jail?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Indicted for what?

Crimes. Not above the law.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

No one put a gun to Cohen's head and forced him to plead guilty to something he doesn't think he's guilty of.

If he didn't think it had anything to do with the campaign, he could have pleaded not guilty and fought that charge.

But Cohen says it was, and wants to testify to that.

A payment to women may or may not be a campaign expense; he chose to say it was, and he chose to say exactly who directed him to make it---> Trump.

If anything, you should be using the "Cohen is sleazebag liar" talking point, not this one. Claim it's Cohen's word against Trump's. But then . . . there's tapes . . . whoops

Levin is a top attorney, constitutional scholar, founder of Landmark Legal Foundation, and former Chief of Staff to The Attorney General of the United States. He knows what he's talking about:

“I wanna help the law professors, the constitutional experts, the criminal defense lawyers, the former prosecutors, and of course the professors, I wanna help them understand what the law is,” Levin said. “The general counsel for the Clinton mob family, Lanny Davis, he had his client plead to two counts of criminality that don’t exist.”

“Just because a prosecutor says that somebody violated a campaign law doesn’t make it so. He’s not the judge; he’s not the jury,” Levin said. “We didn’t adjudicate anything. It never went to court.”

Levin explained that a campaign expenditure under U.S. campaign finance law is an expenditure “solely for campaign activity.” He argued that any supposed reimbursement Trump paid to Cohen with his own money after Cohen paid off Stormy Daniels or any other woman who slept with the president is “perfectly legal.”

“A candidate who spends his own money, or even corporate money, for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign — it is not a campaign expenditure,”
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/levin-on-cohen-guilty-plea-donald-trumps-in-the-clear/

 

[Adre]

Indicted for what?

Directing a paid consultant to commit a crime. Obstruction of justice. Collusion with an enemy nation to influence a Presidential election. These are still all on the table, although a blind partisan like you can’t see them. I guarantee Trump is sweating bullets right now.

And btw, I don’t want to see him go down because...PENCE!,,

 

[Rightguide]

7 convictions, 3 corporations and 26 individuals indicted smells like failure to you?

At least others can see the wildly moving goal posts.

I assume you directed this at me, right? You should quote somebody when you do.

None of these "convictions" has anything to do with Russian collusion, by Trump or his campaign. He indicted several Russians he knew he would never have to "convict' in court, but not on charges they colluded with Trump or his campaign. He's secured plea deals for process crimes. He actually maliciously prosecuted General Flynn on charges the FBI said he wasn't guilty of and secured a guilty plea only after threatening the General's son. He's tried Manafort for tax crimes twelve years old, a case formally cleared by the DOJ, long before he was ever associated with Trump, or his campaign, that had nothing to do with Russian collusion.

Tell me who is moving the goalposts.

 

[Rightguide]

Directing a paid consultant to commit a crime. Obstruction of justice. Collusion with an enemy nation to influence a Presidential election. These are still all on the table, although a blind partisan like you can’t see them. I guarantee Trump is sweating bullets right now.

And btw, I don’t want to see him go down because...PENCE!,,

Directing an attorney to secure an NDA and paying hush money out of his own pocket is not a crime, as has already been explained. No crime has been alleged by the prosecutor implicating the President. What Cohen has been forced to say in order to reduce time served is the result of a plea deal that has not been adjudicated in a court of law by a judge and a jury, nor has a prosecutor preferred such charges against the President. This is all Lanny Davis/media hype.

 

[Wrong Element]

Levin is a top attorney, constitutional scholar, founder of Landmark Legal Foundation, and former Chief of Staff to The Attorney General of the United States. He knows what he's talking about:

“I wanna help the law professors, the constitutional experts, the criminal defense lawyers, the former prosecutors, and of course the professors, I wanna help them understand what the law is,” Levin said. “The general counsel for the Clinton mob family, Lanny Davis, he had his client plead to two counts of criminality that don’t exist.”

“Just because a prosecutor says that somebody violated a campaign law doesn’t make it so. He’s not the judge; he’s not the jury,” Levin said. “We didn’t adjudicate anything. It never went to court.”

Levin explained that a campaign expenditure under U.S. campaign finance law is an expenditure “solely for campaign activity.” He argued that any supposed reimbursement Trump paid to Cohen with his own money after Cohen paid off Stormy Daniels or any other woman who slept with the president is “perfectly legal.”

“A candidate who spends his own money, or even corporate money, for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign — it is not a campaign expenditure,”
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/levin-on-cohen-guilty-plea-donald-trumps-in-the-clear/

The payoff to Stormy Daniels did occur as a result of the campaign. Why did he pay her in the fall of 2016 when the sexual encounter happened a decade earlier? The campaign was the only reason he needed her to keep quiet.

The only reason they were pursued is because Mueller wanted to get to Trump by persecuting everyone associated with him, but to date has failed.

Mueller passed the Cohen case off to the prosecutors in Manhattan. He's not relevant to any of this, which makes it problematic for the "RIGGED WITCH HUNT!!!!!1" crowd.

 

[phrodeau]

Directing an attorney to secure an NDA and paying hush money out of his own pocket is not a crime, as has already been explained. No crime has been alleged by the prosecutor implicating the President. What Cohen has been forced to say in order to reduce time served is the result of a plea deal that has not been adjudicated in a court of law by a judge and a jury, nor has a prosecutor preferred such charges against the President. This is all Lanny Davis/media hype.

It is a crime if it's done as part of a political campaign.

Michael Cohen shelled out over a hundred thousand dollars to benefit the Trump campaign, far in excess of the amount allowed by law.

The Trump campaign failed to report Cohen's cash contribution, also in violation of the law.

Cohen was on the staff of the Trump Corporation. If any money went through the Trump Corporation to benefit the Trump Campaign, that is also in violation of the law.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Directing an attorney to secure an NDA and paying hush money out of his own pocket is not a crime, as has already been explained. No crime has been alleged by the prosecutor implicating the President. What Cohen has been forced to say in order to reduce time served is the result of a plea deal that has not been adjudicated in a court of law by a judge and a jury, nor has a prosecutor preferred such charges against the President. This is all Lanny Davis/media hype.

Okay, Lindsey.

 

[070276]

No one put a gun to Cohen's head and forced him to plead guilty to something he doesn't think he's guilty of.

51-year old Cohen was looking at a total of 55 years for just the tax evasion and bank fraud charges against him - who needs to put a gun to his head when a literal lifetime sentence is virtually just as effective?

He was facing a maximum of 10 years for the campaign finance charges against him, crimes so traditionally minor that he most probably would've gotten away with probation and large fines for them, as so many others have before him.

Instead, he pleas and is looking at 4 to 5 years in prison max, with all the fed prison bennies of a government cooperator, which will afford him plenty of quality time to write his book, now that his life as a crooked NYC lawyer is over.

 

[Rightguide]

The payoff to Stormy Daniels did occur as a result of the campaign. Why did he pay her in the fall of 2016 when the sexual encounter happened a decade earlier? The campaign was the only reason he needed her to keep quiet.

No it wasn't. If the expenditure was made for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign it is not a campaign expenditure. The law defines a campaign expenditure as an expenditure that is "solely for campaign activity," the event with Daniels occurred ten years earlier. The payment was made to save himself and his wife the embarrassment of a public disclosure of infidelity. Because the motivation is more than just a campaign consideration it is legal. The fact that this issue came up when it did is a glaring indicator Trump was being blackmailed as well.

Mueller passed the Cohen case off to the prosecutors in Manhattan. He's not relevant to any of this, which makes it problematic for the "RIGGED WITCH HUNT!!!!!1" crowd.

Mueller took the case to squeeze Cohen to get to Trump, when he realized he had failed in these efforts and did not have the jurisdiction to prosecute the case, he handed it off to those who did have such jurisdiction.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I wonder what the unindicted co-conspirator of the United States of America will tweet about today.

 

[Pookie]

I assume you directed this at me, right? You should quote somebody when you do.

None of these "convictions" has anything to do with Russian collusion, by Trump or his campaign. He indicted several Russians he knew he would never have to "convict' in court, but not on charges they colluded with Trump or his campaign. He's secured plea deals for process crimes. He actually maliciously prosecuted General Flynn on charges the FBI said he wasn't guilty of and secured a guilty plea only after threatening the General's son. He's tried Manafort for tax crimes twelve years old, a case formally cleared by the DOJ, long before he was ever associated with Trump, or his campaign, that had nothing to do with Russian collusion.

Tell me who is moving the goalposts.

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[Wrong Element]

51-year old Cohen was looking at a total of 55 years for just the tax evasion and bank fraud charges against him - who needs to put a gun to his head when a literal lifetime sentence is virtually just as effective?

He was facing a maximum of 10 years for the campaign finance charges against him, crimes so traditionally minor that he most probably would've gotten away with probation and large fines for them, as so many others have before him.

Instead, he pleas and is looking at 4 to 5 years in prison max, with all the fed prison bennies of a government cooperator, which will afford him plenty of quality time to write his book, now that his life as a crooked NYC lawyer is over.

Like I've been saying, it's amusing how many wingnuts have the impression that normal prosecution tactics that are routinely used against the powerless with no one complaining were somehow invented for the purpose of screwing Donald Trump.

 

[Aglaopheme]

No it wasn't. If the expenditure was made for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign it is not a campaign expenditure. The law defines a campaign expenditure as an expenditure that is "solely for campaign activity," the event with Daniels occurred ten years earlier. The payment was made to save himself and his wife the embarrassment of a public disclosure of infidelity. Because the motivation is more than just a campaign consideration it is legal. The fact that this issue came up when it did is a glaring indicator Trump was being blackmailed as well.

Um, no. Thanks for admitting it was about the campaign. Step one taken.

 

[Rightguide]

I wonder what the unindicted co-conspirator of the United States of America will tweet about today.

The president has not been declared an unindicted co-conspirator.

 

[SpeareChucker]

We've got him this time!


lol

Every day...

 

[070276]

I guarantee Trump is sweating bullets right now.

"guarantee"

You mean, "project".

 

[Aglaopheme]

He’s shooting to the top again in mere hours in his frantic desire to defend Trump. No quoting necessary.



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