How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[ishtat]

XFrodo. The God you claim will save you and condemn pretty much everyone else is a grade A, unmitigated fucking cunt - and so is his son.

Your God is intolerant, a bigot and who purportedly claims, through you and your kind that there is only one way to him. Any Omniscient God will welcome all souls from every source, whatever brand of belief they may have on this earth, whether it be Buddhist, Moslem, Hindu, Confucian or any of the hundreds of varieties of Christianity.

And XFrodo, any afterlife with you in it would be utter hell to any being with an ounce of sense.

 

[Tryharder62]

XFrodo. The God you claim will save you and condemn pretty much everyone else is a grade A, unmitigated fucking cunt - and so is his son.

Your God is intolerant, a bigot and who purportedly claims, through you and your kind that there is only one way to him. Any Omniscient God will welcome all souls from every source, whatever brand of belief they may have on this earth, whether it be Buddhist, Moslem, Hindu, Confucian or any of the hundreds of varieties of Christianity.

And XFrodo, any afterlife with you in it would be utter hell to any being with an ounce of sense.

This isn't addressed to me, but I have never understood this argument. God does want all people, even those who think He is a "unmitigated funking cunt....and so is his son." The thing is what you mentioned aren't varieties of Christianity....because in Christianity......Christ, and what he did on the cross, is kind of important.

Your argument says that a loving God would force Buddhists and Muslims, Confucian, etc to do what He wants whether they believe it or even want it. Does not sound loving to me.

God wants to welcome all souls but He won't make you. I think the above argument sounds more like fear of making the wrong choice and being held accountable for it. It's easier to blame God for being intolerant than to admit our choice was wrong.

 

[julybaby04]

This isn't addressed to me, but I have never understood this argument. God does want all people, even those who think He is a "unmitigated funking cunt....and so is his son." The thing is what you mentioned aren't varieties of Christianity....because in Christianity......Christ, and what he did on the cross, is kind of important.

Your argument says that a loving God would force Buddhists and Muslims, Confucian, etc to do what He wants whether they believe it or even want it. Does not sound loving to me.

God wants to welcome all souls but He won't make you. I think the above argument sounds more like fear of making the wrong choice and being held accountable for it. It's easier to blame God for being intolerant than to admit our choice was wrong.

You are spot on.

God will not force anyone to do anything. There is so much anger with respect
To God, and why? Could it simply be that as human beings, we all want to live our own lives as we see fit, yet when death comes want to live eternity in joy, happiness, peace and love....as God promises?

To choose to lay down a sinful life and choose to accept salvation is easy but also difficult as well. It requires leaving behind a life of "fun" and moving to a life of service. That service may not be as much "fun" in some people's eyes, but for those of us who have chosen it, it is more fun, beautiful, loving, purpose-filled and eternity driven than anything this world has to offer.

There is only one way anyone...anyone will be allowed into heaven at death. While many may see that as mean-spirited, intolerant, etc, others see it as Godly. God created every one of us and most certainly can make the rules.

Working our way to heaven will not get one there. Being a good person will not get one there (there is no one good, not one, aside from Jesus Christ). People may not take this seriously, may laugh at it, may scoff, may get angry about it, but none of that will change the outcome.

We all will die. Our choice on this earth will secure our eternity....one way or another.

 

[phrodeau]

This isn't addressed to me, but I have never understood this argument. God does want all people, even those who think He is a "unmitigated funking cunt....and so is his son." The thing is what you mentioned aren't varieties of Christianity....because in Christianity......Christ, and what he did on the cross, is kind of important.

Your argument says that a loving God would force Buddhists and Muslims, Confucian, etc to do what He wants whether they believe it or even want it. Does not sound loving to me.

God wants to welcome all souls but He won't make you. I think the above argument sounds more like fear of making the wrong choice and being held accountable for it. It's easier to blame God for being intolerant than to admit our choice was wrong.

What did Christ do on the cross, to be so important? You make it sound like Christ put Himself up there, but there's no way He could hammer in the last nail.

 

[julybaby04]

What did Christ do on the cross, to be so important? You make it sound like Christ put Himself up there, but there's no way He could hammer in the last nail.

Do you really not know why His death on the cross is so significant?

 

[phrodeau]

Do you really not know why His death on the cross is so significant?

Do you mean His sacrifice for the sins of others? A, He didn't do it all by Himself, and B, He resurrected, so where's the sacrifice?

 

[julybaby04]

Do you mean His sacrifice for the sins of others? A, He didn't do it all by Himself, and B, He resurrected, so where's the sacrifice?

A. He allowed it to happen. He is God, (Trinity) and could have stopped it at any time. There were always sacrifices offered up to God (animals). Jesus fulfillled biblical prophecy in that He was the ultimate and last sacrifice that was needed. No longer were animals needed. The sacrifices were given to offer repentance for sins. Jesus took the pain and suffering and death so that those who believe would not have to.

B. He rose again in that He conquered death. We do not worship a dead man, but a living God. Not other religion nor pseudo religion can say that. They all worship a human being who no longer lives and is buried in the ground (or cremated).

 

[phrodeau]

A. He allowed it to happen. He is God, (Trinity) and could have stopped it at any time. There were always sacrifices offered up to God (animals). Jesus fulfillled biblical prophecy in that He was the ultimate and last sacrifice that was needed. No longer were animals needed. The sacrifices were given to offer repentance for sins. Jesus took the pain and suffering and death so that those who believe would not have to.

B. He rose again in that He conquered death. We do not worship a dead man, but a living God. Not other religion nor pseudo religion can say that. They all worship a human being who no longer lives and is buried in the ground (or cremated).

Hooey. You're trying to rationalize an irrational idea. Your "living God" doesn't have an address on Earth.

 

[julybaby04]

Hooey. You're trying to rationalize an irrational idea. Your "living God" doesn't have an address on Earth.

You are correct, He does not!!!! Thankful for that.
Also, faith is the cornerstone of a Christian. Having an answer to every question may not be possible on this side of heaven, but one day the answers will be known.

Faith is what leads people to Christ. Faith in his death and resurrection and faith of where our eternity will be. Our minds are not God's mind and Followers of Christ understand and believe because of faith.

...and not everyone will believe, as sad as that is, it is also reality.

 

[Tryharder62]

What did Christ do on the cross, to be so important? You make it sound like Christ put Himself up there, but there's no way He could hammer in the last nail.

Jesus had a choice. He was after all a part of God. He gave his life for us. Makes me think of a song earlier in my Christian life. Old timers might remember it.

https://youtu.be/gm-215y3fvQ

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

What did Christ do on the cross, to be so important? You make it sound like Christ put Himself up there, but there's no way He could hammer in the last nail.

Christ lived a perfect life which qualified Him to sacrifice His life for sinners so He willingly allowed them to nail Him to the cross so that our sins might be paid by Him instead of us paying them ourselves. All Christ Jesus asks is that we believe Him that He is who He says He is and that He died and rose again for our sins, placing our FAITH in Him for salvation. If we will do that, He will extend a pardon on that person that they won't be punished for their sins and go to hell.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

The Bible was written by the 40 actual eyewitnesses of the events who were there at most, but not all of the events.

There is zero evidence that that is true. If you're stating this as fact you're lying.

Liar, liar.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Christ lived a perfect life which qualified Him to sacrifice His life for sinners so He willingly allowed them to nail Him to the cross so that our sins might be paid by Him instead of us paying them ourselves. All Christ Jesus asks is that we believe Him that He is who He says He is and that He died and rose again for our sins, placing our FAITH in Him for salvation. If we will do that, He will extend a pardon on that person that they won't be punished for their sins and go to hell.

Prove it. Any of it. Otherwise you're just telling us about a dream you had last night.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Do you mean His sacrifice for the sins of others? A, He didn't do it all by Himself, and B, He resurrected, so where's the sacrifice?

He gave up his weekend for our sins, as opposed to being tortured forever by a Cosmic sociopath such as himself. Yeah, big motherfucking sacrifice.....

First of all, I reject the notion of sin, the idea of actions being a personal offense against a personal creator rather than against a more rational and practical standard of ethics. Any god that would consign people to eternal torment based on personal offense or pique isn't just thin-skinned......he's a megalomaniac.

Second of all, I reject the notion of Cosmic ownership that would make us all slaves of a personal creator, to be punished according to his own arbitrary whims and fancies. No personal creator owns us all. We're not property or chattel of Jehovah, Jesus, or Allah. He doesn't, if he exists, which I doubt, have the right to torment us for his own petty crotchets or whatever.

Last, I disapprove of the notion that a personal god has the right to weigh belief or faith in place of virtue and justice as the measure for judging one's life. What good is faith? What benefit is faith to society, to the Cosmos, to anything, really? There is no inherent or intrinsic value to faith. It's basically worthless as a moral guide or basis for judgment. True morality, as in how you treat your neighbors, however, has real, tangible benefit and is far better as a guide or moral compass to judge good and evil.

Just my own take on things.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

A. He allowed it to happen. He is God, (Trinity) and could have stopped it at any time. There were always sacrifices offered up to God (animals). Jesus fulfillled biblical prophecy in that He was the ultimate and last sacrifice that was needed. No longer were animals needed. The sacrifices were given to offer repentance for sins. Jesus took the pain and suffering and death so that those who believe would not have to.

B. He rose again in that He conquered death. We do not worship a dead man, but a living God. Not other religion nor pseudo religion can say that. They all worship a human being who no longer lives and is buried in the ground (or cremated).

Actually, I worship Gods who have been revered long before anyone ever heard of Jesus.

Zeus, the All-Wise, King of the Gods, Hera, Queen of Heaven, Apollo, God of the Sun, Artemis, Goddess of the Hunt, Demeter, Goddess of the Harvest, Hades, God of the Dead, Aphrodite, Goddess of Love, Poseidon, God of the Sea, Athena, Goddess of Wisdom, etc.

Yes, I'm a pagan, and proud of it.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

xfrodobagginsx. Prove it. Or you're wasting our time.

Which is okay. So did "Solo".

 

[Tryharder62]

Actually, I worship Gods who have been revered long before anyone ever heard of Jesus.

Zeus, the All-Wise, King of the Gods, Hera, Queen of Heaven, Apollo, God of the Sun, Artemis, Goddess of the Hunt, Demeter, Goddess of the Harvest, Hades, God of the Dead, Aphrodite, Goddess of Love, Poseidon, God of the Sea, Athena, Goddess of Wisdom, etc.

Yes, I'm a pagan, and proud of it.

If the myths of the Greeks are your truth so be it. The story of Christianity starts way before Christ. God was and is and will always will be regardless of how popular the thinking about Him is at the time.

BTW I have a lot of the qualities of Athena

 

[julybaby04]

He gave up his weekend for our sins, as opposed to being tortured forever by a Cosmic sociopath such as himself. Yeah, big motherfucking sacrifice.....

First of all, I reject the notion of sin, the idea of actions being a personal offense against a personal creator rather than against a more rational and practical standard of ethics. Any god that would consign people to eternal torment based on personal offense or pique isn't just thin-skinned......he's a megalomaniac.

Second of all, I reject the notion of Cosmic ownership that would make us all slaves of a personal creator, to be punished according to his own arbitrary whims and fancies. No personal creator owns us all. We're not property or chattel of Jehovah, Jesus, or Allah. He doesn't, if he exists, which I doubt, have the right to torment us for his own petty crotchets or whatever.

Last, I disapprove of the notion that a personal god has the right to weigh belief or faith in place of virtue and justice as the measure for judging one's life. What good is faith? What benefit is faith to society, to the Cosmos, to anything, really? There is no inherent or intrinsic value to faith. It's basically worthless as a moral guide or basis for judgment. True morality, as in how you treat your neighbors, however, has real, tangible benefit and is far better as a guide or moral compass to judge good and evil.

Just my own take on things.

You are welcome to reject and disapprove of anything you wish.

However, at the end of your life, you will know who God is.

 

[julybaby04]

Actually, I worship Gods who have been revered long before anyone ever heard of Jesus.

Zeus, the All-Wise, King of the Gods, Hera, Queen of Heaven, Apollo, God of the Sun, Artemis, Goddess of the Hunt, Demeter, Goddess of the Harvest, Hades, God of the Dead, Aphrodite, Goddess of Love, Poseidon, God of the Sea, Athena, Goddess of Wisdom, etc.

Yes, I'm a pagan, and proud of it.

Obviously you are free to worship whatever you want. You will meet God at the end of your life and no doubt truth will be very evident at that point.

 

[Tryharder62]

xfrodobagginsx. Prove it. Or you're wasting our time.

Which is okay. So did "Solo".

Urban Dictionary Lol
PROVE IT!
a phrase that can be used when at a loss of words, to ensure an adequate come back. (Gives time for the user to get back on the "ball")
(Larry and Jerry are engaged in a vocal disagreement)

Larry: .... yeah? Well I f***** your mom
Jerry: PROVE IT!

Missed ya DCL!

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

There is zero evidence that that is true. If you're stating this as fact you're lying.

Liar, liar.

The Bible is the evidence and there aren't any scholars, liberal or conservative who agree with you. You are wrong.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I love how people who have deluded themselves that most of humanity is doomed to be tortured for eternity on the barbaric orders of a Cosmic tyrant and butcher are quick to not only imply a threat of said torture as a thinly veiled scare tactic, but also condone what they imply and blame the theoretical victim of this inhuman monster. I also love how they always assume that they know their holy text better than everyone else, just because they happen to believe in it. They never consider that to truly know and understand their scriptures might well cause a sensible person to reject them for their lack of merit.

 

[phrodeau]

Which biblical prophecy says that human sacrifice would become the only way to get right with God?

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Basically, the Christian worldview is based upon the idea that we're property or chattel, owned by Jehovah, and he can do what he wants with us, that nothing that he does is wrong, even if it would be wrong for someone else to do. Which is a load of bollocks, because no one entity owns the Cosmos and everything in it. The Cosmos owns all of the beings within and nothing exists prior to it or superior to it. Even the Gods are part of the Cosmos and belong to it.

So, either we're slaves of Jehovah or we're autonomous beings within the Cosmos, and if the former, the only logical reason to allow free will is to find an excuse to punish us for making a choice, often a choice that lines up with the evidence, too. Well, it might be logical according to the logic of a tyrant or sociopath or Cosmic bully, but it's not reasonable in the slightest.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Which biblical prophecy says that human sacrifice would become the only way to get right with God?

One of the many prophecies twisted due to the gospels by the ghost writers. Get with the program, my Hobbit friend.