Does Anyone Care What Brits Think?

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

Not since 1914.

 

[DeYaKen]

Not since 1914.

Oh really. I thought it was 1917 for you guys. Turned up late as usual.

 

[Adder4321]

England is a senile old man of a nation who survives solely on memories of the good ol' days, while still attempting to appear young so that his grandchildren will like him.

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

Oh really. I thought it was 1917 for you guys. Turned up late as usual.

We had no one like Churchill to get us to die without bacon, beans, and bullets.

 

[DeYaKen]

We had no one like Churchill to get us to die without bacon, beans, and bullets.

Do they really teach you so little recent history in the US Asquith and Lloyd George were Primeministers during WW1. Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty up to the disaster that was Gallipoli. He then resigned and went to fight on the front until 1917 when Lloyd George recalled him to parliament and put him in charge of munitions.

Its no shame on you not knowing this, after all, it's not your history. No, the shame comes from pontificating on a subject you obviously know so little about.

 

[DeYaKen]

England is a senile old man of a nation who survives solely on memories of the good ol' days, while still attempting to appear young so that his grandchildren will like him.

I'll have you know that Britania is a lady who made one grave mistake. She never sent her navy to sink the Mayflower back in the days when she really did rule the waves. That one simple act could have saved the world so much anguish.

 

[coati]

All Britain had to do recently was launch a balloon to demonstrate the insanity that has overtaken America.

The Amerikan right wing is still reeling from that effective and satirical balloon attack, as evident with the existence of this thread.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh really. I thought it was 1917 for you guys. Turned up late as usual.

Let's face it, in 1917, the main belligerents were two groups of imperialists fighting to take over as much territory as they could, especially in the Balkan Peninsula and Africa.

 

[Bray123]

Let's face it, in 1917, the main belligerents were two groups of imperialists fighting to take over as much territory as they could, especially in the Balkan Peninsula and Africa.

Huh?

Britain entered the war to protect Belgium and had no plans to invade German territory. Never did until WW2.

France was only interested in repelling an invasion. Likewise Russia. The USA was aggrieved over a plan to support Mexico in an invasion of Texas.

So that leaves Germany (which was on an extensive land grab) and a few minor players like Turkey and Japan. Only Germany had an interest in Serbia/Croatia, supporting the Austrian-Hungarian empire. In 1917 Russia was getting bored and taking its toys home. There was no great action in Africa, some skirmishes in Ethiopia, Tanzania etc but not much to mention.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Huh?

Britain entered the war to protect Belgium and had no plans to invade German territory. Never did until WW2.

France was only interested in repelling an invasion. Likewise Russia. The USA was aggrieved over a plan to support Mexico in an invasion of Texas.

So that leaves Germany (which was on an extensive land grab) and a few minor players like Turkey and Japan. Only Germany had an interest in Serbia/Croatia, supporting the Austrian-Hungarian empire. In 1917 Russia was getting bored and taking its toys home. There was no great action in Africa, some skirmishes in Ethiopia, Tanzania etc but not much to mention.

England and Germany both wanted to increase their foreign empires in Africa. France had hopes of regaining the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine, which they had lost to Prussia - Germany in the Franco-Prussian War. I will admit this was not a completely ignoble cause.

The Ottoman Empire wanted to regain as much of their lost empire as they could and Austria-Hungary wanted to take it for themselves. Russia was a highly imperialistic nation that wanted to expand into the Balkans and wherever else they could. Japan wanted to take over German holdings around the Yellow Sea to use as a base to conquer as much of mainland China as they could.

You omitted Italy. They wanted to take over as much of Dalmatia as they could, as well as conquering Albania. Of the major countries involved, only the USA had -relatively - clean hands.

 

[just4friends]

And then we sent men to fight Russians in Russia

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/spotlights/allies.htm

Lost 174 men

 

[FEELINGLUCKYPUNK]

Huh?

Britain entered the war to protect Belgium and had no plans to invade German territory. Never did until WW2.

France was only interested in repelling an invasion. Likewise Russia. The USA was aggrieved over a plan to support Mexico in an invasion of Texas.

So that leaves Germany (which was on an extensive land grab) and a few minor players like Turkey and Japan. Only Germany had an interest in Serbia/Croatia, supporting the Austrian-Hungarian empire. In 1917 Russia was getting bored and taking its toys home. There was no great action in Africa, some skirmishes in Ethiopia, Tanzania etc but not much to mention.

Belgium and Germany had an old treaty to allow German transit of Belgium in war time. Churchill threatened to destroy Antwerp if Belgium let Germany use Belgium to attack France.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Belgium and Germany had an old treaty to allow German transit of Belgium in war time. Churchill threatened to destroy Antwerp if Belgium let Germany use Belgium to attack France.

That treaty must have been very old in order to supersede this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839)

ETA: The discussion here is of WW1. Churchill did not become PM until 1940.

 

[magicalmoments]

England is a senile old man of a nation who survives solely on memories of the good ol' days, while still attempting to appear young so that his grandchildren will like him.

I think you're actually talking about Trump!

 

[oggbashan]

Belgium and Germany had an old treaty to allow German transit of Belgium in war time. Churchill threatened to destroy Antwerp if Belgium let Germany use Belgium to attack France.

There was no such treaty. The Treaty of London (1839) guaranteed Belgian neutrality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839))

Original signatories: Austria, Belgium, France, German Confederation, Netherlands, Russia, United Kingdom
Ratifiers: Austria, Belgium, France, German Confederation, Netherlands, Russia, United Kingdom


Note that Germany did not exist in 1839. The Treaty of London was signed by Prussia on behalf of a confederation of German States. Germany did not exist as a unified state until 1871 but they were bound by existing treaties.

Germany's Schlieffen Plan assumed that Belgium would not resist the Germany army's transit, or its resistance would be ineffective and easily brushed aside. Germany would NOT infringe Netherlands neutrality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan

The French were required by the treaty with Russia, to attack Germany as swiftly as possible but could advance into Belgium only after German troops had infringed Belgian sovereignty. Joffre had to devise a plan for an offensive that avoided Belgian territory that would have been followed in 1914, had the Germans not invaded Belgium.

As for Churchill? He was First Sea Lord in 1914 in charge of the Royal Navy.

Belgium was a friendly nation but not a formal ally of the UK. The German invasion of Belgium was the reason for the British declaration of war against Germany. The Belgian King asked Germany, Britain and France to respect his country's neutrality. The French and British did. The Germans didn't. French and British troops came into Belgium after the German invasion, at Belgium's request, to support Belgian resistance to the German invaders.

 

[Fierywhore]

The rest of the "World " truly cares what the Brits think..

We love watching your country self implode with the treacherous ego maniac at the helm driving you into the arms of Mother Russia...

It's fun watching the Political Circus your President runs, pity the outcomes will put a great once looked up to country into an untenable situation come the time of reckoning.

Then ask your true Allies to help, after Comrade Trump has "shit" on the real World which is far, far bigger than the Good Ol USA!

 

[dan_c00000]

Let's face it, in 1917, the main belligerents were two groups of imperialists fighting to take over as much territory as they could, especially in the Balkan Peninsula and Africa.

That's not even remotely true. Germany, effectively, lost all their colonies at the outset of the war.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The rest of the "World " truly cares what the Brits think..

We love watching your country self implode with the treacherous ego maniac at the helm driving you into the arms of Mother Russia...

It's fun watching the Political Circus your President runs, pity the outcomes will put a great once looked up to country into an untenable situation come the time of reckoning.

Then ask your true Allies to help, after Comrade Trump has "shit" on the real World which is far, far bigger than the Good Ol USA!

Our true allies?

LOL we don't have any, haven't for quite some time.

 

[oggbashan]

Our true allies?

LOL we don't have any, haven't for quite some time.

Perhaps that's because your current and past Presidents have treated them badly?

The US's allies have lost troops in Iraq and Afghanistan supporting US policies. We also have memories of the Korean War and the losses then.

Do recent US presidents care? Apparently not.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Perhaps that's because your current and past Presidents have treated them badly?

Possible...but I don't see how.

The US's allies have lost troops in Iraq and Afghanistan supporting US policies. We also have memories of the Korean War and the losses then.

That's part of being a homie....gotta be down for your crew.

Since that's a problem, and apparently the excuse for sitting across the pond with noses held proudly up in the air at us talking shit while taking our money and enjying the security we provide?

I think maybe we have no homies and it's time for us to take our ball and go home.

Do recent US presidents care? Apparently not.

If they didn't they wouldn't have spent so much covering you guys's 6 and policing your own neighbors because you didn't have it in you to do it yourselves.

This is exactly why we should LEAVE and let you guys and all your mighty superiority handle your own shit.

 

[nowisthetime]

Obviously you do.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Obviously you do.

What?

Know what a complete sentence is? Yes....

Do you??

 

[coati]

If they didn't they wouldn't have spent so much covering you guys's 6 and policing your own neighbors because you didn't have it in you to do it yourselves.

This is exactly why we should LEAVE and let you guys and all your mighty superiority handle your own shit.

Oh great, simple-minded BotanyBoy now wants European countries to get into a new nuclear arms race so they can handle their own shit. The Amerikkka First insanity continues.

Notice how he expresses resentment for "you guys and all your mighty superiority"? This is the anti-intellectual streak that makes nationalism so popular among the simple minded.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That's not even remotely true. Germany, effectively, lost all their colonies at the outset of the war.

That was largely due to miscalculation, but they expected to regain them after defeating the entente nations in Europe, besides dismembering the British Empire.

 

[TJX]

The rest of the "World " truly cares what the Brits think..

We love watching your country self implode with the treacherous ego maniac at the helm driving you into the arms of Mother Russia...

It's fun watching the Political Circus your President runs, pity the outcomes will put a great once looked up to country into an untenable situation come the time of reckoning.

Then ask your true Allies to help, after Comrade Trump has "shit" on the real World which is far, far bigger than the Good Ol USA!

The only true allies America has or ever had were those who hang around as long as the checkbook is open.