True Liberals: Join Me and Walk Away!

[KUJACK]

Obama and Trump

Obama was eloquent and statesmanlike and had a great family
his liberal politics made me cringe
Trump is a braggart mean-spirited and impatient
I love all his policies
we have two separate personalities from the functionality of getting things done the way we want
we have full employment detente and a return to responsible government get over it libs Donald Trump is successful

 

[KeithD]

Then why did you follow me in this thread, you goof?

So I could tell you that you don't fool me. Why are you trying to spoof the thread?

 

[KUJACK]

When the truth is told people can't stand it

So I could tell you that you don't fool me. Why are you trying to spoof the thread?

Obama was an empty suit he look good but he did nothing
Isis increased and strength
the economy continued to stagnate
Obama himself said that the economy would never be good again barely above 2% forever
Face it he was a terrible president

 

[beew]

So I could tell you that you don't fool me. Why are you trying to spoof the thread?

On a more serious note: I'm not trying to spoof the thread.
That's how I genuinely think.
If I ever witnessed bigotry IRL after I emigrated (my own people are too rude and direct to wear masks) , those were by callous individuals who pretended to be bleeding hearts.

Yes, those people were mainly Right wingers, but in the GB, most Leftist trolls and stalkers behave just like them.
You guys tolerate or even encourage those dysfunctional individuals, yet you expect their targets to keep singing the kumbaya with you.

 

[Blue]

I don't think this "walk away" campaign is a good idea. I agree with the intention behind it but it's a can of worms that doesn't solve the issue of mass political disenfranchisement.

Example: Most voters might call themselves either republican or democrat but that doesn't mean they embody the policies or stances of either party. The vast majority of US voters are incredibly disenfranchised by both major parties and don't trust that their respective politicians will actually represent their interests, but abstaining from voting any further has its own conundrum: the current state of US politics is so biased against third parties and in favour of the two-party dichotomy that the only way you will ever actually see any sort of political representation is by voting for members of the 2 major parties. 'Walking away' or flipping parties just increases the power that the ideologues that currently command the party's respective rhetoric hold over them.

The solution is to form organized, independent electoral campaigns which run as either republican or democrat but hold ideologies completely opposite to that of incumbent politicians, with the intention of gaining enough victories to replace the dominant ideology of the party. The Tea Party was an extremely successful version of that in the republican party, the democratic version, Justice Democrats, is currently underway and just had their first major victory with the election of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

 

[KeithD]

Looked up the Walk Away Campaign. Looks to me like it could be traced back to an apartment in Moscow.

 

[beew]

Looked up the Walk Away Campaign. Looks to me like it could be traced back to an apartment in Moscow.

I used the two threads to express my puzzlement with American politics overall, and to vent about the GB trolls and radicals.

But you are right. The founders of this campaign are clearly trying to steer people away from Democrats towards the Republican party.
#Midterm elections

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Tea Party was an extremely successful version of that in the republican party, the democratic version, Justice Democrats, is currently underway and just had their first major victory with the election of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

That doesn't work for liberals though...."Justice Democrats" are highly socialistic and after social and economic equity based upon their race/gender centric world views.

Liberalism is NOT about that bullshit....even in it's more left leaning flavors it doesn't go anywhere near that far left.

I used the two threads to express my puzzlement with American politics overall, and to vent about the GB trolls and radicals.

But you are right. The founders of this campaign are clearly trying to steer people away from Democrats towards the Republican party.
#Midterm elections

That's because at the point the Democrats step off further and further into deep left field with all these new flavors/spins on leftism, which still all boil down to the pursuit of social/economic equity via the force of government authority. Liberals have more in common and are closer to the Republicans than the democrats.

Liberalism is left of brimstone and fire evangelical super extra extreeeeeme Baptists theocratic conservatism, but it's still right of center and largely antithetical to the ideals of socialism.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

If it's a democratic government freely elected by the people then it's the people's authority to govern themselves as they see fit.

That doesn't work for liberals though...."Justice Democrats" are highly socialistic and after social and economic equity based upon their race/gender centric world views.

Liberalism is NOT about that bullshit....even in it's more left leaning flavors it doesn't go anywhere near that far left.



That's because at the point the Democrats step off further and further into deep left field with all these new flavors/spins on leftism, which still all boil down to the pursuit of social/economic equity via the force of government authority. Liberals have more in common and are closer to the Republicans than the democrats.

Liberalism is left of brimstone and fire evangelical super extra extreeeeeme Baptists theocratic conservatism, but it's still right of center and largely antithetical to the ideals of socialism.

 

[beew]

That's because at the point the Democrats step off further and further into deep left field with all these new flavors/spins on leftism, which still all boil down to the pursuit of social/economic equity via the force of government authority. Liberals have more in common and are closer to the Republicans than the democrats.

Liberalism is left of brimstone and fire evangelical super extra extreeeeeme Baptists theocratic conservatism, but it's still right of center and largely antithetical to the ideals of socialism.

I obviously don't know much about Politics, so my opinion is shaped by the cesspool that the GB sometimes turns into.

What I noticed is that the GB Republicans Do say some racist things (I dislike them too) but they are far less emotional and hateful than many Leftist posters. And GB Reps. treat WHITE foreign posters with respect, while several Leftists intentionally try to demean us and make us feel like second class, or troll and harass us.

My hunch that some of the Democrats' kumbaya is just facade, and that underneath it they are just as, if not more Elitists, racists and xenophobic than the Right
was confirmed by listening to at least 6 Black Americans who joined the #Walkaway movement.

But here's where I disagree with you: the Republican party seems just as bad.
And despite the genuinenness of those laypeople who joined the #WalkAway campaign, I suspect that the founders' end goal is to gain more votes for Republicans.

 

[phrodeau]

I obviously don't know much about Politics, so my opinion is shaped by the cesspool that the GB sometimes turns into.

What I noticed is that the GB Republicans Do say some racist things (I dislike them too) but they are far less emotional and hateful than many Leftist posters. And GB Reps. treat WHITE foreign posters with respect, while several Leftists intentionally try to demean us and make us feel like second class, or troll and harass us.

My hunch that some of the Democrats' kumbaya is just facade, and that underneath it they are just as, if not more Elitists, racists and xenophobic than the Right
was confirmed by listening to at least 6 Black Americans who joined the #Walkaway movement.

But here's where I disagree with you: the Republican party seems just as bad.
And despite the genuinenness of those laypeople who joined the #WalkAway campaign, I suspect that the founders' end goal is to gain more votes for Republicans.

Sure, racist Democrats abound, but they aren't proposing racist government policies.

 

[beew]

Sure, racist Democrats abound, but they aren't proposing racist government policies.

Good point.
You were always one of the sensible and moderate GB Liberals.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If it's a democratic government freely elected by the people then it's the people's authority to govern themselves as they see fit.

No....that's not how it works here in these United States.

You need a basic civics course in the worst way.

But here's where I disagree with you: the Republican party seems just as bad.

In a lot of ways they are if not worse.

But they aren't leftist.....they are right wing and largely capitalistic, just like liberals, very unlike socialist.

Sure, racist Democrats abound, but they aren't proposing racist government policies.

Except affirmative action and pretty much everything else to do with "social justice".

It's the "fuck white guys" party.

 

[mdbigdee]

The wisdom of Winston Churchill who said famously" If you are not a liberal when young, you have no heart.
If you are still a liberal when old, you have no brain.

Churchill never said that.

 

[FooledAround]

As a lesbian living an alternative lifestyle, I nonetheless came to the same conclusions ten years ago as this gentleman expresses here

The only thing not voting for Dems will do is elect shitbags like Trump. Buck up and Dem it out would be my reco.

 

[FooledAround]

No....that's not how it works here in these United States. .

So true. Here in the US we lie, cheat, and steal! We do that through gerrymandering, enacting voter suppression laws, and now throw in Russian interference. Oh, and by "we" I mean the GOP.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

The GOP should worry about losing people. I've never seen so many conservatives express their disgust at the leader of the party.

 

[toeskr]

And after Trump got elected, you still can't seem to accept that fact.

You want to bitch, moan, complain, blame others.

Gather the troops brother, change your future.

Or hedge your bets on whomever wins and adjust your investments accordingly.

If it's a democratic government freely elected by the people then it's the people's authority to govern themselves as they see fit.

 

[CeriseBuss]

Founder of Movement Against Liberalism Denied Service at Camera Store: 'It Took My Breath Away'

Assuming this is true, it seems to me it only validates his whole thesis.

 

[KeithD]

Ah, yes. Faux Views. Nods knowingly.

As I posted earlier, this has all the trappings of a Russian spam.

 

[beew]

Ah, yes. Faux Views. Nods knowingly.

As I posted earlier, this has all the trappings of a Russian spam.

While I agree with you on this one,
you guys don't need the Russians to undermine you.

You're doing a great job yourselves.
All you do all day long is bitch and moan and thump each other on the heads,
instead of creating an alternative party or coming together in some constructive way.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Not only did some people whine about Obama and Clinton, they still do.

 

[EmpressJosephine]

Ah, yes. Faux Views. Nods knowingly.

As I posted earlier, this has all the trappings of a Russian spam.

Really?

Seriously, that is about the most homophobic attitude I've seen in a while!

How could a gay man actually think for himself and choose a path other than the stereotype you have for him?!

Thus, to your bigoted mind, it could only be a Russian plot!

 

[KeithD]

Really?

Seriously, that is about the most homophobic attitude I've seen in a while!

How could a gay man actually think for himself and choose a path other than the stereotype you have for him?!

Thus, to your bigoted mind, it could only be a Russian plot!

What in the hell does any of this have to do with homophobia? You're being homophobic even to bring it into play and tell me or anyone else what a gay man should be doing--about anything.

Pray tell, what stereotype have have I laid out for anyone? Are you drunk?

The WalkAway campaign is just an attempt to pry liberals away from the Democratic Party--to do what? favor Trump? That's very Russian in plan.

 

[EmpressJosephine]

What in the hell does any of this have to do with homophobia? You're being homophobic even to bring it into play and tell me or anyone else what a gay man should be doing--about anything.

You're the one saying it's suspicious if a gay man dares to step outside the assumed roles you have for him, which apparently requires him to be a Democrat.

As for me, I assume he's sincere and thinks for himself.

It's pretty clear from that which one of us is a bigot.