The wipeout of Obama’s legacy

[Rightguide]

I don't believe Trump has ever said such a thing. If he has, can you post a link?

The projections of an under average intellect.

 

[Hypoxia]

I don't believe Trump has ever said such a thing. If he has, can you post a link?

Full text: Trump’s comments on white supremacists, ‘alt-left’ in Charlottesville -- Politico

TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

Neo-Nazis include "very fine people." Got it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Obama didn't start any wars. He can't be blamed for what he inherited. btw we're still in Afghanistan after everything Trump promised.

None of that is relevant.

You claimed we had 8 years of peace under Obama....which is total, 100% verifiable, fuckin' bullshit.

Obama will never get credit for fixing W's mess just as he's STILL not getting credit for bin laden (thank you, Box).

Because he didn't and he didn't.

OCare is fantastic,

Romneycare? Yea it's a fucking rip off of the working class....which must explain your love for it.

A total deplorable.

B.S. You don't care about the working class

Apparently neither does Obama or the (D)'s....explaining the current situation.

You just have a stick up your ass about OCare.

Not just OCare, socialism at large.

You only support the "poor" and "underemployed" when it suits you to slam Dems.

I don't support them beyond my payroll you're absolutely correct.

And that's because the Dems are total fucking hypocrites about it....supposedly they are the party that is supposed to be helping the working class.

But all they do is fuck them up the ass.......earning your blind and undying loyalty in doing so.

 

[Blue]

Obama didn't start any wars. He can't be blamed for what he inherited. btw we're still in Afghanistan after everything Trump promised.

FYI Obama started US involvement in the Yemen war by having US naval ships contribute to the gulf coalition's blockade of the country's coastline, orchestrating (prior to Trump) the largest sale of US weapons to Saudi ever, having said ships attack coastal targets and refuelling Saudi bombers after they perform intentional indiscriminate killing sprees over Yemen using those US bombs he sold to them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

FYI Obama started US involvement in the Yemen war

You're talking to a loyal follower of not just the Saint, but also God King Obama.

The guy could have excited a puppy on the WH lawn just before beating and raping sacrificial virgins to death every day for 8 years and Carnal Flower would blame it on Bush or Trump. He just can't be responsible for anything he did in office.

 

[Blue]

Not just OCare, socialism at large.

You know that single-insurer healthcare systems like the NHS/single-payer healthcare systems like France are purely socialist constructs and they are vastly superior in cost efficiency and quality of services provided than the US' almost-entirely privatized system?

Socialism can be really good in some instances.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You know that single-insurer healthcare systems like the NHS/single-payer healthcare systems like France are purely socialist constructs and they are vastly superior in cost efficiency and quality of services provided than the US' almost-entirely privatized system?

We are pretty fucking far from a privatized system.

It's been pseudo socialized bullshit since 86 and moved further left when the government put a gun to everyones head and forced them to buy insurance from their (the congress critters) buddies with Rombama care.

BTW your quality of services is dog shit in comparison. That's why all your elites come here to get un-fucked when shit get's complicated.

You have better access for more people at a better price. Which is nice but it will eventually prison fuck your economy.

Socialism can be really good in some instances.

Only if you can keep the corruption at bay.

Which you can't do forever....eventually some greedy fuck will take advantage.

It's also un-American as fuck.

 

[Blue]

BTW your quality of services is dog shit in comparison. That's why all your elites come here to get un-fucked when shit get's complicated.

You have better access for more people at a better price. Which is nice but it will eventually prison fuck your economy.

That's just literally not true, as told by any even moderately reliable source. US citizens pays the most per capita for their healthcare in the developed world and have some of the worst outcomes. Sometimes even last in the industrialized countries.

Of the 23 most developed countries, the US has the highest infant mortality rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_mortality#United_States

2013 Commonwealth fund: US dead last in equity, access, cost, efficiency and overall societal health between 11 highly developed countries.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

2013 World Health Organization: US ranked 37th (margin of error: anywhere between rank 34-44) in healthcare efficiency. Efficiency measured as total societal health/meeting of internal healthcare goals/ease of access/fairness in cost.
http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

This article was reported by Bloomberg but you have to be subscribed to read it so I used another source.
US 50th of 55 measured countries in healthcare performance.
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/bloomberg-us-healthcare-system-near-bottom-on-efficiency/427325/

etc.

Just 5 minutes spent on google will tell you how immensely wrong you are.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Full text: Trump’s comments on white supremacists, ‘alt-left’ in Charlottesville -- Politico

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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post
I don't believe Trump has ever said such a thing. If he has, can you post a link?

Full text: Trump’s comments on white supremacists, ‘alt-left’ in Charlottesville -- Politico
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TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

Neo-Nazis include "very fine people." Got it.

As I said, at no time did the Donald say anything good about Neo-Nazis. In fact, he described them as "very bad people." He also mentioned there were very fine people there on both sides, which may have been on overstatement, but he specifically did not include the Neo-Nazis in that description.

And that reporter is full of shit. The Neo-nazis did not start the violent confrontation; Antifa and others of their ilk did. They attacked a peaceful march and demonstration, which was a clear violation of the First Amendment rights of those attacked. Whether you like the Neo-Nazis and KKK or not - and I don't - they are US citizens and have the same rights, including peaceful assembly, as anybody else.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's just literally not true, as told by any even moderately reliable source. US citizens pays the most per capita for their healthcare in the developed world and have some of the worst outcomes. Sometimes even last in the industrialized countries.


Just 5 minutes spent on google will tell you how immensely wrong you are.

You need to actually read whats on google, think about what all those "ranking" systems rank based on so you can tell what it is they are saying.

Yes, we pay more.

Almost entirely because the government stuck it's dick in the pie with no commitment of any kind to pay for shit or manage costs.....just rob you and force you to buy their friends bullshit, price gouging, insurance.

Yes we have poorer access to HC as a society overall.

But if you have money....there is no better place than the USA.

And that's what the lefts beef is.

Our rich as well as rich people from other countries, get better HC than they do.

They get better HC than you too.

So naturally the left is a bunch of haters and they want to send the government to more equally distribute those goods and services.

Well....that didn't happen, instead the (D)'s and Obama put a gun to the heads of all the people and forced them to buy garbage ass insurance!!....or pay a tax. Our lefties being born in a liberal capitalist world don't understand half assing socialism doesn't work.

Compartmentalizing it has had some promising benefits if diligently and appropriately managed.

But forcing the worst aspects of capitalism by way of half assed socialism (Obama/Romneycare) has turned out to be less than stellar. For what we are spending for dog shit ACA we should have a 100% UHC coverage for everything, physical, mental, dental, vision EVERYTHING and it should all be state of the fuckin' art. New facilities nation wide....medical schools where it's free you just have to be the best of the best to get is.

For the money ours SHOULD make yours look like a 3rd world shithole.

And if it was....maybe I'd be more on board with it.

But as it stands pretty much everything our government does is a scam to hoover up tax dollars to stuff their pockets with.....so I'd rather we get back to the government just not being involved.

Ours is CLEARLY not set up to be a socialist nanny state....if the US really wants to trade in "home of the free" for "home of the well kept" then cool, but in order to have any hope of that working we will have to call a constitutional convention and do some serious, basic practical overhauls to our government.

I would prefer we didn't do that...but if we did it properly I'd respect it.

 

[HisArpy]

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Another aspect you didn't include is the fact that the US is the leader in medical innovation.

Forbes
U of Rochester article

That runs up costs that have to be paid by someone. Those someone's aren't the citizens of other countries that just take advantage of the new tech, they're you and I in the US of A.

So, of course our HC costs are higher because of that factor, as well as the others you mentioned. Though we are losing ground to other global areas like Asia. Mostly because their manufacturing, laboratory, and process costs are lower and licensing is much faster.

 

[WoundedKnee]

You know that single-insurer healthcare systems like the NHS/single-payer healthcare systems like France are purely socialist constructs and they are vastly superior in cost efficiency and quality of services provided than the US' almost-entirely privatized system?

Socialism can be really good in some instances.

http://reason.com/archives/2018/05/12/when-cancer-was-conquerable

Our system is the the problem when it comes to costs but our government is.

 

[Hypoxia]

As I said, at no time did the Donald say anything good about Neo-Nazis.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.

Very fine people. Among the neo-Nazis. His words. Eat-em. Eat-em raw. Rah, rah, rah!

 

[Blue]

I don't see anything wrong with what Trump said about there being fine people on both sides.

I'm sure there were some quite nice but highly disillusioned people in the neo nazis.
Just 'cause they want a white ethnostate like a reverse Wakanda doesn't mean they're serial killers or something, weighing all the despicable and 'ok' stuff they believe I bet you'd come out with a net positive for many of them. Falling into the tribalistic intellectual trap of thinking your opponents are all irredeemable hellspawn doesn't get anybody anywhere.

 

[phrodeau]

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Falling into the tribalistic intellectual trap of thinking your opponents are all irredeemable hellspawn doesn't get anybody anywhere.

That’s a serviceable description of neo-Nazis.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That’s a serviceable description of neo-Nazis.

Not just Nazis but anyone who engages in identity politics.

AntiFa, BLM, feminist....SJW's and "progressives" at large.

Remember anyone who doesn't toe the "progressive" line is a NAZI!!!! and must be persecuted as such. No independent thought, you are your religion/gender/skin color and nothing else.

 

[bellisarius]

Not just Nazis but anyone who engages in identity politics.

AntiFa, BLM, feminist....SJW's at large.

Call it what it is, Tribalism. And tribes always end up turning against one another.....always.

 

[Hypoxia]

Call it what it is, Tribalism. And tribes always end up turning against one another.....always.

Members of one tribe want to kill, enslave, imprison, or deport non-members. Fuck their asses.

 

[TalkRadio]

Obama’s legacy has already been destroyed

In one respect, it seems to me, the presidency of Donald Trump has been remarkably successful. In 17 months, he has effectively erased Barack Obama’s two-term legacy.

I don’t want to say or face this. I still want to believe my colleague, Jonathan Chait, whose thesis is that the changes Obama made in his difficult but tenacious eight years in office are too great to reverse. And there are a couple of shifts that do indeed seem to be as permanent as anything is in politics: marriage equality and legal cannabis. But neither, one recalls, was a signature goal of Obama. He began as an alleged opponent of marriage equality, even though, of course, he was bullshitting. He wouldn’t touch the marijuana issue in his entire term and even at one point dismissed it as trivial. As for the rest, in specific policy terms, Trump and the Republican Congress have succeeded in undoing Obama’s work to an extent I barely anticipated.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/obamas-legacy-has-already-been-destroyed.html