When does it become Incest?

[FutaMonster]

Hi everyone. I'm working on a new story at the moment which I want to be in the Mind Control category. It involves a pair of twin sisters who get sold into slavery and are mind controlled (naturally). Their owner makes it plain he doesn't want them to have sex with each other, but I wondered what they could do and have it not count as incest.

I'm sure having them both have sex with a guy at the same time is acceptable, and probably going from one sister's vagina to the other's mouth, for example? But what about kissing with tongues? And cum swapping? If I included them, would it become an incest story?

Would appreciate the advice.

 

[John988]

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[FutaMonster]

Pretty much the mind control. I didn't want it to be shifted to the incest category, but I wouldn't have minded a brief flirtation with it.

But thanks for the answer - I'll keep the ladies separated for the naughty stuff.

 

[NotWise]

I'm sure having them both have sex with a guy at the same time is acceptable, and probably going from one sister's vagina to the other's mouth, for example? But what about kissing with tongues? And cum swapping? If I included them, would it become an incest story?

If there's direct interaction between the sisters (kissing, cum swapping) then it's incest. Otherwise I don't think it is. You can always write it and find out what Laurel thinks.

If mind control is the main thing and incest is incidental, then it may not score well in I/T.

 

[KenNicottii]

As has been pointed out before, whether your story category slips by the one person (Laurel) who reads & approves every story on Lit, can be a numbers game. Yes, if you merely have two sisters in the room where sex is going on, you could see your well-crafted Mind Control story end up swimming in the ocean of 40k+ Incest/Taboo stories rather than the small pond of 5K MC stories where you wanted it.

My very first story (Sisters in the Night) was submitted to Group Sex but got bumped to I/T by Laurel. Sure, there are many Lit readers who are squicked by incest popping up in a story, but how many of those would start reading a GS story with ‘sisters’ in the title? As an experiment, just do a story search in GS with the keyword ‘sisters’. You’ll get a list of about 1,400. Ignoring sorority sisters & step sisters, you’ll have a hard time finding any of these ‘sister’ stories in GS that don’t have naked, blood relative sisters getting it on in the same room with one (or more) guys as well as with each other. (The sisters in my story seduced one guy at the same time but didn't have girl/girl sex.)

If your story is driven more by the mind control theme and that’s what you’re most proud of as an author (as opposed to having twin sisters being the victims), you’ll be taking a risk submitting to MC with that content. If the story elements are so intertwined that you can’t eliminate the sisters, then you could have ‘mind control’ be part of the story description plus as a story tag and submit to MC and see what happens. You might get lucky and join those other 1,000+ ‘sister’ stories in GS (and who knows how many in all the other non-I/T categories) that ended up where the author intended. If you get bumped to I/T, then at least you’ve got your description header and story tag to potentially grab MC readers.

 

[8letters]

If there's direct interaction between the sisters (kissing, cum swapping) then it's incest. Otherwise I don't think it is. You can always write it and find out what Laurel thinks.

If mind control is the main thing and incest is incidental, then it may not score well in I/T.

I'd suggest writing as you want and then asking Laurel beforehand if she agrees with it being in the Mind Control category. She might say yes or she might suggest some changes to keep it in the Mind Control category. If you think there maybe a problem, resolve it before you publish.

 

[FutaMonster]

OK, thanks for all the advice guys/girls. The relationship between the sisters (not a sexual one) is important to the story, so I want to keep that element in, but I can easily just scale back their involvement in one another's sex lives. It will only mean removing one or two scenes that are in my head (or at least making sure they only stay in my head ) that won't affect the story at all.

Thanks again.

 

[KenNicottii]

Well, there is also the fact that my I/T story has gotten about 5 times as many views as my other 4 stories, even though it's the lowest rated one. And when I look at my Works page that shows reader activity (commenting, favoriting, etc.), I see that close to 50% of the favorites this year are for Sisters in the Night, even though this is an old story from 2013 (and I haven’t submitted anything since last summer). Plus I just picked up a new follower based on that story, so I/T fans are managing to find it without any prompting from the New Stories list or contest entries. Like it or not, you’re going to get a much larger readership if you end up getting bumped to that category.

 

[lovecraft68]

Different question why is mind control not in non consent?

If people are being controlled by something its non consent. If that were't true date rape drugs wouldn't be considered sexual assault.

I won't answer the OP's question because I can't fathom how someone doesn't know when something is incest.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Hi everyone. I'm working on a new story at the moment which I want to be in the Mind Control category. It involves a pair of twin sisters who get sold into slavery and are mind controlled (naturally). Their owner makes it plain he doesn't want them to have sex with each other, but I wondered what they could do and have it not count as incest.

I'm sure having them both have sex with a guy at the same time is acceptable, and probably going from one sister's vagina to the other's mouth, for example? But what about kissing with tongues? And cum swapping? If I included them, would it become an incest story?

Would appreciate the advice.

Often, At Lit, incest will be part of mind control in that sense. But NO - I think any form of SEXUAL contact in the context you're referring to, is considered incest to many. At least among most anyone I know.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Different question why is mind control not in non consent?

If people are being controlled by something its non consent. If that were't true date rape drugs wouldn't be considered sexual assault.

I won't answer the OP's question because I can't fathom how someone doesn't know when something is incest.

Good point. Never thought of it that way. Most mind control stories I've read don't really go into rape per se', but there's often some type of drug or talisman involved.

Damn. Now I'm going to be thinking about this LC.

 

[Hypoxia]

If there's direct interaction between the sisters (kissing, cum swapping) then it's incest. Otherwise I don't think it is. You can always write it and find out what Laurel thinks.

If mind control is the main thing and incest is incidental, then it may not score well in I/T.

I've not written MC. Yet. I've put incest, GM, NC, and various other 'trump' tropes in Group Sex tales with no problem -- never had one moved, only one from LW to NC. But yeah, Incest-Taboo readers have certain expectations. If MC is the major theme, put it there, with an Author's Note warning of your perverto machinations.

 

[RetroFan]

I've often wondered about step-siblings and cousins where there is no sexual contact between them, only voyeurism and fantasy.

For example, if there was a story about a young guy in England whose sexy Australian cousin comes to stay for a month's holiday and he engages in voyeurism with her and has sexual fantasies about her without anything sexual happening between them, would this belong in Incest/Taboo or would it be okay for Fetish or Voyeurism category?

 

[Hypoxia]

I've often wondered about step-siblings and cousins where there is no sexual contact between them, only voyeurism and fantasy.

For example, if there was a story about a young guy in England whose sexy Australian cousin comes to stay for a month's holiday and he engages in voyeurism with her and has sexual fantasies about her without anything sexual happening between them, would this belong in Incest/Taboo or would it be okay for Fetish or Voyeurism category?

No, I/T readers likely won't respond well. That sounds like Voyeurism. For fun, make it an almost-romance with room for sequels, like his visit to Oz. As for incest: What Is Incest? covers the basics IMHO.

 

[KindofHere]

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[ishtat]

I wondered what they could do and have it not count as incest.
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If you take down your Book of Common Prayer from the shelf, dust it off, and you will find this located immediately after the Articles of Religion

"A Table of Kindred and Affinity wherein whosoever are related are forbidden in Scripture and our Laws to Marry together."

Note that in the 15th century they only thought to exclude particular relationships within marriage. So it was ok for singles -maybe.

Note also that first cousin marriage was permissable but marrying one's deceased wife's sister was not (Almost obligatory in Jewish Law: Leviticus) This is now allowed.

Lovecraft is the acknowledged authority on this aspect of religion so he will have an answer for any queries.