Well it's Waffle House after all. This stuff is gonna happen.

[islandman]

Anyone know if the establishment was a gun-free zone?

I'd also like to see a proposal to arm all waitresses immediately so this type of senseless tragedy doesn't happen again.

 

[Admiral_Ackbar]

I'd like to see a proposal to arm all waitresses immediately so this type of senseless tragedy doesn't happen again.

Ever see a waitress get stiffed on a tip? She don't need a gun.

 

[islandman]

Ever see a waitress get stiffed on a tip? She don't need a gun.

I think we're quite clear on the fact that only a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun.

 

[someoneyouknow]

If gun control worked in any way to prevent mass murder, why would you need those sorts of security measures?

You're conflating two different things. Mass murder can be committed through a variety of means, not only guns. Remember Oklahoma City?

Gun control substantially reduces mass shootings. It also impacts unintentional shootings and suicides. Australia is a good test case:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html

The oft-cited statistic in Australia is a simple one: There have been no mass killings — defined by experts there as a gunman killing five or more people besides himself — since the nation significantly tightened its gun control laws almost 20 years ago.​

For a more recent article, 2016, look at the first chart which compares the rate of daily gun deaths in other industrialized countries if they had the same population as the U.S. There isn't even a comparison.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

And here's an article about the vaunted Swiss and their ability to own firearms. But I"m sure the guy interviewed is lying when he talks about the rigid rules Switzerland has.

Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.

"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family," he says. "I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."​

And later on, from the director of criminology at Zurich University:

"I'm always amazed how the National Rifle Association in America points to Switzerland - they make it sound as if it was part of southern Texas!" he says.

"We have guns at home, but they are kept for peaceful purposes. There is no point taking the gun out of your home in Switzerland because it is illegal to carry a gun in the street. To shoot someone who just looks at you in a funny way - this is not Swiss culture!"​

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

 

[Hypoxia]

You're conflating two different things. Mass murder can be committed through a variety of means, not only guns. Remember Oklahoma City?

Toxins can be pretty effective too. Flint, Bhopal, Jonestown, yada yada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonings

Gun control substantially reduces mass shootings. It also impacts unintentional shootings and suicides.

The numbers I saw on USA firearms-related deaths showed twice as many suicides as homicides. An American is twice as likely to shoot themself as to be shot by another. A cynic might encourage deplorables to stock up.

 

[OldJourno]

Unless he's brown, obviously.

That's clearly a racist statement.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

I have always found it odd that as a nation we have backed off a great deal helping the mentally ill.

They really need it.

Just the amount of VFW's alone that need help is stunning.

Yes. They're regrouping and shutting down the old "I deserve this drink" vanguard bars that really do nothing useful anymore. They've finally acknowledged women and persons of color as veterans too and so are mending their ways as the herd continues to thin.

 

[Sweet_Golden_Sunshine]

Toxins can be pretty effective too. Flint, Bhopal, Jonestown, yada yada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_poisonings

The numbers I saw on USA firearms-related deaths showed twice as many suicides as homicides. An American is twice as likely to shoot themself as to be shot by another. A cynic might encourage deplorables to stock up.

So people have shown more willingness to kill themselves then kill others with guns ? ....shocking to be honest

 

[Admiral_Ackbar]

hey man when gang bangers blast each other in chicago do you blame "mental illness" then too? lol

I'd bet good money that a lot of gang bangers are mentally ill in some way. You almost have to be to be in that life in the first place and to care so little about human life on top of that. Whether it's depression, bi polar, schizophrenia, addiction.

 

[phrodeau]

I think we're quite clear on the fact that only a good person with a gun can stop a bad person with a gun.

And the only way to stop a good guy with a gun is for a bad guy to also have a gun. If you live by the gun, you die by the gun. Guns are in control, and should be restrained.

 

[RobDownSouth]

And when someone kills multiple people with any other method, there's nothing but complete silence from you.

Select-fire outrage.

Try as I might, I can't recall very many non-firearms related mass murder since the Oklahoma city bombing, which was what....25 years ago maybe?

Meanwhile, more recently....

 

[HisArpy]

Try as I might, I can't recall very many non-firearms related mass murder since the Oklahoma city bombing, which was what....25 years ago maybe?

Meanwhile, more recently....

Meanwhile more tragically...


9/11 - 2,996 dead

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Travel/2017/December/Boeing-747-400_0.jpg?imwidth=450

1995 Oklahoma City - 168 dead

https://www.valueautorental.com/wp-content/images/truck.png

2001 - 5 dead

https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/86/86/71/500_F_86867162_dBcKql94yunUpfAwo1lEiryplfblQeRt.jpg



It's amazing what a little bit of sunshine can show when contrasted against the false flag of the anti-gun zealots.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Meanwhile more tragically...


9/11 - 2,996 dead

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Travel/2017/December/Boeing-747-400_0.jpg?imwidth=450

1995 Oklahoma City - 168 dead

https://www.valueautorental.com/wp-content/images/truck.png

2001 - 5 dead

https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/86/86/71/500_F_86867162_dBcKql94yunUpfAwo1lEiryplfblQeRt.jpg



It's amazing what a little bit of sunshine can show when contrasted against the false flag of the anti-gun zealots.

Yeah 9/11 changed everything, amiright? Funny how we haven't had a hijacker since we've strengthened certain laws (thanks for making my point).

Do you have anything moar recent than 17 years ago?
....didn't think so.

Evidently shooter-boy was known to the Secret Service. He was found in an off-limits area of the White House last year and demanded a personal audience with the Orange Shitgibbon. The Secret Service took notice and detained him. They confiscated his AR15 and three other steel penis substitutes from his home but later returned the weapons to his daddy. Daddy in turn gave the guns back to Junior. Murica! Fuck Yeah!

 

[richard_daily]

Try as I might, I can't recall very many non-firearms related mass murder since the Oklahoma city bombing, which was what....25 years ago maybe?

Meanwhile, more recently....

There have been hundreds... but of course you can't remember them, they happened to brown people for the most part.

Select-fire outrage.

 

[FGB]

A woman was killed because she would not loan her telephone to a man.

He shot her ...Not that makes a difference to a dead person.

We let life become almost worthless in this country ... and killing easy and no big deal.

Don't you think it's past time for us to turn it around?

 

[oggbashan]

Try as I might, I can't recall very many non-firearms related mass murder since the Oklahoma city bombing, which was what....25 years ago maybe?

Meanwhile, more recently....

Boston Marathon?

 

[beew]

Genuine question here, I'm not trolling.

As someone who is biased towards gun control, I'm perplexed and I fail to understand why gun fans (for lack of a better word) are reacting so vehemently.

1. My understanding is that the whole hooha isn't about taking their guns away: it's about putting in place tighter checks and balances.

2. I feel that they react as if guns were essential to survival, (they talk about liberties, the first amendment and so on), whereas I see guns as merely tools for recreation.
What are they afraid of? Inability to defend themselves from gangs, Civil war, a future totalitarian government and military takeover?

 

[Chancellor_Palpatine]

Genuine question here, I'm not trolling.

Yeah, right.

 

[phrodeau]

Boston Marathon?

Three dead. Doesn’t qualify.

 

[beew]

Yeah, right.

Do you have like a bell drilled into your nose,
which starts doing the ding-dong every time one of your trollees posts something?

 

[richard_daily]

Three dead. Doesn’t qualify.

You post nearly every day about murders involving less than 3 dead. I'm sure the relatives of the three dead will be glad to hear that you don't feel they qualify.

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah 9/11 changed everything, amiright? Funny how we haven't had a hijacker since we've strengthened certain laws (thanks for making my point).

Do you have anything moar recent than 17 years ago?
....didn't think so.

Evidently shooter-boy was known to the Secret Service. He was found in an off-limits area of the White House last year and demanded a personal audience with the Orange Shitgibbon. The Secret Service took notice and detained him. They confiscated his AR15 and three other steel penis substitutes from his home but later returned the weapons to his daddy. Daddy in turn gave the guns back to Junior. Murica! Fuck Yeah!

Yep, we gave pilots GUNS. We have ARMED "air marshals" on planes too. And suddenly the hijackings stopped when we did that.

What we didn't do was call for a ban on airplanes, rental trucks, pressure cookers, ANFO, cell phones, or the mailing of poisons (oh wait, that's already illegal so no one can do that. ). Nor did we call for the registration of airline passengers; confiscation of luggage; or ban shoes and underwear; or demand mandatory baggage insurance.

 

[coachdb18]

Yep, we gave pilots GUNS. We have ARMED "air marshals" on planes too. And suddenly the hijackings stopped when we did that.

What we didn't do was call for a ban on airplanes, rental trucks, pressure cookers, ANFO, cell phones, or the mailing of poisons (oh wait, that's already illegal so no one can do that. ). Nor did we call for the registration of airline passengers; confiscation of luggage; or ban shoes and underwear; or demand mandatory baggage insurance.

Nor did we run screaming 'man with a suitcase' when someone showed up at the ticket agent with a scary looking black suitcase.

 

[richard_daily]

You're conflating two different things. Mass murder can be committed through a variety of means, not only guns. Remember Oklahoma City?

Gun control substantially reduces mass shootings. It also impacts unintentional shootings and suicides. Australia is a good test case:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html

The oft-cited statistic in Australia is a simple one: There have been no mass killings — defined by experts there as a gunman killing five or more people besides himself — since the nation significantly tightened its gun control laws almost 20 years ago.​

For a more recent article, 2016, look at the first chart which compares the rate of daily gun deaths in other industrialized countries if they had the same population as the U.S. There isn't even a comparison.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

And here's an article about the vaunted Swiss and their ability to own firearms. But I"m sure the guy interviewed is lying when he talks about the rigid rules Switzerland has.

Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.

"The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family," he says. "I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country - and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people."​

And later on, from the director of criminology at Zurich University:

"I'm always amazed how the National Rifle Association in America points to Switzerland - they make it sound as if it was part of southern Texas!" he says.

"We have guns at home, but they are kept for peaceful purposes. There is no point taking the gun out of your home in Switzerland because it is illegal to carry a gun in the street. To shoot someone who just looks at you in a funny way - this is not Swiss culture!"​

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

Mass murder still happens in those countries... But since they don't happen with guns, you don't care. It's selective outrage.

You don't like guns. That's fine.

You want to get rid of guns, that's the issue.

I'm sure Perth is a nice place to live, if you want to live a gun-free lifestyle.

 

[HisArpy]

Nor did we run screaming 'man with a suitcase' when someone showed up at the ticket agent with a scary looking black suitcase.

What we need are "limited capacity" suitcases. Nobody needs moar than 1 change of underwear. We also need to ban certain "features' like carry grips, collapsible handles and hidden rollers/wheels because those make luggage more dangerous. Someone could just grab their suitcase and go on a vacation spree at any time. Plus, nobody needs to carry luggage in public.