Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

[BotanyBoy]

Trump and his supporters, the base and the billionaires have a far right agenda that threatens democracy.

Threatens democarcy? LOL

That's what you're worried about....but you support HRC in the same breath, who got caught ACTIVELY SUBVERTING DEMOCRACY with the DNC/Debbie W. Schultz .

What a fuckin' twat.

The gun boys are just a small part of that base I’d like to smack the shit out of.

You think supporting civil rights is a threat to democracy??

 

[My I]

Threatens democarcy? LOL

That's what you're worried about....but you support HRC in the same breath, who got caught ACTIVELY SUBVERTING DEMOCRACY with the DNC/Debbie W. Schultz .

What a fuckin' twat.

You think supporting civil rights is a threat to democracy??

Man, these guys smoke so much dope that their paranoia is off the charts and their ability to be rational is likely gone for ever. But that seems to be the norm with the youth in the left these days.

"Ban smoking and legalize marijuana." Perfect sense.

 

[Hypoxia]

How many people are carrying AR15s or ANY rifles on subway cars? Not LEGAL.

This is a Martin Backpacker guitar with its stock soft case. The guitar is 35+ inches long.

https://images.talkbass.com/attachments/110284808660-1-jpg.2447883/

This is a Ruger Police Carbine. The rifle is 34 inches long and easily fits in that case.

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ruger-police-cover.jpg

Q: If you see someone publicly carrying that yard-long, anonymous, ominous black bag, how do you know whether it holds a canoe paddle, a guitar that can double as a paddle, a carbine, a shotgun, or an axe?

A: You don't. Most guitar cases don't look like that. I've carried mine (with guitar) onto city buses. People look at me and move away. They're prudent.

My point is, y'all don't KNOW if the package carried by that twitchy stranger is a weapon or not. Given USA's flood of firearms, it's prudent to assume that everyone around you is armed and hostile. Cops must assume that, which is why holding a cellphone can get you shot.

It's also prudent to assume that anyone carrying thinks they have a good reason for carrying. Which returns to my question: Need you carry any of those loaded onto a subway car?

 

[My I]

This is a Martin Backpacker guitar with its stock soft case. The guitar is 35+ inches long.

https://images.talkbass.com/attachments/110284808660-1-jpg.2447883/

This is a Ruger Police Carbine. The rifle is 34 inches long and easily fits in that case.

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ruger-police-cover.jpg

Q: If you see someone publicly carrying that yard-long, anonymous, ominous black bag, how do you know whether it holds a canoe paddle, a guitar that can double as a paddle, a carbine, a shotgun, or an axe?

A: You don't. Most guitar cases don't look like that. I've carried mine (with guitar) onto city buses. People look at me and move away. They're prudent.

My point is, y'all don't KNOW if the package carried by that twitchy stranger is a weapon or not. Given USA's flood of firearms, it's prudent to assume that everyone around you is armed and hostile. Cops must assume that, which is why holding a cellphone can get you shot.

It's also prudent to assume that anyone carrying thinks they have a good reason for carrying. Which returns to my question: Need you carry any of those loaded onto a subway car?

So we should ban packages over 28" long?

Carrying the rifle on the subway is illegal. Carrying a guitar on the subway is not. Arrest the guy with the gun and leave the guitar player alone. Your delusional paranoia is not MY problem. That's YOUR problem. Seek professional help.

And lay off the peyote.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Which returns to my question: Need you carry any of those loaded onto a subway car?

You act like it's a daily occurrence.

As My I pointed out, several times now, it's illegal to openly carry a loaded rifle in public. So where do you live that this is an actual concern? Iraq? Certainly not America.

 

[KimGordon67]

Interesting analysis aligning gun rights and slavery.

Maybe worth remembering that slaves were just counted under 'property rights' at one point. 'Rights' aren't really quite as concrete and obvious as we might think they are - they are, indeed, historically and culturally dependent, both in terms of what the 'rights' are, and who holds them.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Threatens democarcy? LOL

That's what you're worried about....but you support HRC in the same breath, who got caught ACTIVELY SUBVERTING DEMOCRACY with the DNC/Debbie W. Schultz .

What a fuckin' twat.



You think supporting civil rights is a threat to democracy??

Hey shithead, where did I ever post that I support HRC or the Ds?

 

[Blue]

This is a Martin Backpacker guitar with its stock soft case. The guitar is 35+ inches long.


This is a Ruger Police Carbine. The rifle is 34 inches long and easily fits in that case.

And those are foward-action guns. Bullpup rifles don't get used often in crimes but you could likely fit one in even smaller cases.

British (Bullpup) primary battle rifle vs American (traditional loading) primary battle rifle for example:

http://quarryhs.co.uk/PR%20010.jpg

 

[Hypoxia]

So we should ban packages over 28" long?

Give it up. I've never called for banning anything. I've repeatedly said control of production, distribution, and possession of firearms in USA is impossible. What CAN be done is to strictly control civilian public carrying. Zero tolerance. Then a long, thin bag is less of a threat. Sure, it may hold a killer's axe or baseball bat, but they're a lot more work than shooting.

You act like it's a daily occurrence.

There's no way you can tell, is there?

As My I pointed out, several times now, it's illegal to openly carry a loaded rifle in public. So where do you live that this is an actual concern? Iraq? Certainly not America.

Killing people is illegal. Robbing liquor stores is illegal. Driving fast and crossing a double line is illegal. People do all this illegal stuff anyway. But if you don't witness it personally, it never happened and doesn't concern you, right? if you don't see a loaded firearm then it's not there, right? Yeah sure.

Once again: In modern America, it's irrational to NOT think everyone around you is armed and hostile. Is that how you want your kids to live?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Give it up. I've never called for banning anything. I've repeatedly said control of production, distribution, and possession of firearms in USA is impossible. What CAN be done is to strictly control civilian public carrying. Zero tolerance. Then a long, thin bag is less of a threat. Sure, it may hold a killer's axe or baseball bat, but they're a lot more work than shooting.

There's no way you can tell, is there?

Killing people is illegal. Robbing liquor stores is illegal. Driving fast and crossing a double line is illegal. People do all this illegal stuff anyway. But if you don't witness it personally, it never happened and doesn't concern you, right? if you don't see a loaded firearm then it's not there, right? Yeah sure.

Once again: In modern America, it's irrational to NOT think everyone around you is armed and hostile. Is that how you want your kids to live?

So by making the gun illegal, you prevent anyone from breaking the law. BRILLIANT! We should try that with drugs!

As for the armed bit, I am comforted when I'm in a setting where I know the majority are armed. Not alarmed.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Interesting analysis aligning gun rights and slavery.

Maybe worth remembering that slaves were just counted under 'property rights' at one point. 'Rights' aren't really quite as concrete and obvious as we might think they are - they are, indeed, historically and culturally dependent, both in terms of what the 'rights' are, and who holds them.

You're the one from UK, right?

Did you know that the US banned the importation of slaves 20 years before England?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Sir, where did I ever post that I support HRC or the Ds?

When you complained that people voted for the only possible alternative. Earlier in this thread. You can search for the post yourself.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Hey shithead, where did I ever post that I support HRC or the Ds?

Prior to November 2016 I was an activist for causes for which I have strong feelings. If Clinton had won or just about anyone else besides Trump or Cruz, I would have gone back to advancing my agenda. Normal D& R shit is just background noise. Trump and his supporters, the base and the billionaires have a far right agenda that threatens democracy. The gun boys are just a small part of that base I’d like to smack the shit out of.

You very clearly didn't consider Clinton a threat to democracy, it's only Trump, the right wing and people who support civil rights who do that right?

You would have been far more at ease with how safe democracy would have been under HRC than Trump or Cruz right?

Even though she was the ONLY candidate out of the whole field who actually got caught red handed actively subverting democracy.

Nothing partisan about that....nope...not at all...very principled, objective and rational.

 

[My I]

Give it up. I've never called for banning anything. I've repeatedly said control of production, distribution, and possession of firearms in USA is impossible. What CAN be done is to strictly control civilian public carrying. Zero tolerance. Then a long, thin bag is less of a threat. Sure, it may hold a killer's axe or baseball bat, but they're a lot more work than shooting.

There's no way you can tell, is there?

Killing people is illegal. Robbing liquor stores is illegal. Driving fast and crossing a double line is illegal. People do all this illegal stuff anyway. But if you don't witness it personally, it never happened and doesn't concern you, right? if you don't see a loaded firearm then it's not there, right? Yeah sure.

Once again: In modern America, it's irrational to NOT think everyone around you is armed and hostile. Is that how you want your kids to live?

No. I want my kids to live with the understanding that there are bad people out there. Not EVERYONE is bad, only very few. But because of those very few you should always be alert and be PREPARED.

I also want them to understand that just because some crazy person named Nikolas shot a bunch of kids, Not EVERYONE named Nikolas is bad. I want them to understand that Even though the guy that broke into the neighbor's house is black, not EVERY black person is a burglar. I want them to understand thateven though the kid that stole your car was Mexican, not EVERY Mexican is a car thief. I want them to understand that a person isn't a mass murderer just because they own a gun.

I want them to understand the REGARDLESS of WHO a bad person is, WHAT he did and what he did it WITH, not EVERYONE is going to do that. Only a very few. And we shouldn't judge EVERYONE based on the actions of a very few.

Be alert, be prepared. Until you need to use that preparation, be reasonable, rational, respectable and RESPONSIBLE. Same as MY father and grandfather taught ME.

 

[Hypoxia]

So by making the gun illegal, you prevent anyone from breaking the law. BRILLIANT! We should try that with drugs!

Injecting heroin whilst sitting on a park bench should be discouraged, yes? But a needle-wielding attacker won't poke as many people to death as someone firing an extended clip (magazine, for the gun nazis).

A scenario: a SCOTUS rebuilt after 2020's Dum sweeps rules that "a well-regulated militia" is indeed necessary, and issues legislation guidelines to Congress. If you want to carry in public then join the militia, be regulated, carry when authorized, or be punished for insurrection. An unauthorized civilian carrying on or near a school, church, or temple? Public flaying, and exile to a remote rock. That might reduce mass shootings a bit.

As for the armed bit, I am comforted when I'm in a setting where I know the majority are armed. Not alarmed.

A Guatemalan friend attending school in Boston says she feels nervous in the states because there aren't guards with shotguns everywhere, like at home. Maybe you'd feel comfy there. Last tango in Huehuetenango! (WHAY-whay-ten-ANG-o)

 

[My I]

So by making the gun illegal, you prevent anyone from breaking the law. BRILLIANT! We should try that with drugs!

As for the armed bit, I am comforted when I'm in a setting where I know the majority are armed. Not alarmed.

The sheep don't know or care what the sheep dog does. They even hate the sheepdog for being scary. But when the wolf comes they sure are glad the sheepdog is there.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

When you complained that people voted for the only possible alternative. Earlier in this thread. You can search for the post yourself.

You read my words but your deranged mind came to an erroneous conclusion.

 

[dan_c00000]

Hey shithead, where did I ever post that I support HRC or the Ds?

If you're for any sort of reasonable gun control bot is very tribal and triggered easily so that's his response.

Of course, he'll claim he's not partisan at all but will applaud enthusiastically when Trump says he's going to take away his guns.

Also, interesting to note, we're now 10+ pages of posts since my last one and neither bot nor my has bothered to answer my question: how many more dead kids are needed before they agree to gun control legislation?

 

[todski28]

Prior to November 2016 I was an activist for causes for which I have strong feelings. If Clinton had won or just about anyone else besides Trump or Cruz, I would have gone back to advancing my agenda. Normal D& R shit is just background noise. Trump and his supporters, the base and the billionaires have a far right agenda that threatens democracy. The gun boys are just a small part of that base I’d like to smack the shit out of.

There is enough pokitical pokarization to suggest that the far left has produced an upsurge in the far right...... with the state of American college campuses there are mass assaults on freedom of speech, every conservative speaker is labelled nazi, bigot, racist, homophobe, islamaphobe, xenophobe or anyother form of phobe/ism.

All of this appears like a slow build to serious violence. Its easy to blame trump because he's a sleazy scumbag from my perspective, but there is a reason he won, despite having not been able to do any of the shit he set out to do and adding fuel to an already well burning political fire.

As to guns..... my stance is probably a little based in a littke bit of paranoia regarding the fact that, political polarisation of this type has been seen before the advent of communist regiemes and was not to dissimilar before the nazis took over germany.

Looking back to the oast at all times can create a paranoid dekusionak state but veing preoareds better than being in a gulag, or being in a death camp.

 

[My I]

Also, interesting to note, we're now 10+ pages of posts since my last one and neither bot nor my has bothered to answer my question: how many more dead kids are needed before they agree to gun control legislation?

That's because your question is ignorant, asinine, childish and just plain fucking STUPID. How many dead kids did it take for you to realize "Gun Free Zones" don't work?

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

I'm stilling waiting for your answer as to how many dead kids is enough.

I've only mentioned it here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.

You guys are up to 7 dodges/duckings/changing the subjects. I'll cut you some slack and won't count this post as 8.

Also, interesting to note, we're now 10+ pages of posts since my last one and neither bot nor my has bothered to answer my question: how many more dead kids are needed before they agree to gun control legislation?

Sorry I wasn't here for that. I'm sure someone noticed.

No one answered you because you keep pinging on it repeatedly and behaving like a 2 yr old. If someone had, you would keep boxing it in a way that suited whatever answer you wanted.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

When you complained that people voted for the only possible alternative. Earlier in this thread. You can search for the post yourself.

That doesn't constitute as an answer to your accusation. I see it as the only alternative left. Most voting ballots are worded that way. Next time you vote, check the details behind the choices of your local, regional, or state ballot.

 

[Blue]

That's because your question is ignorant, asinine, childish and just plain fucking STUPID. How many dead kids did it take for you to realize "Gun Free Zones" don't work?

How many dead kids will it take for you to realize that 'Gun Free Zones' don't work because of comically loose restrictions on gun purchases and ownership?

 

[coati]

Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

Here is the real reason: the radical right wing knows that their wacky ideas will not be widely embraced domestically and internationally in the long run, and the only they can try to return America to their concept of the good old days is through the constant threat of violence if they don't get their way. The real reason these people want civilian access to assault weapons is that their political philosophies are based upon fear and ignorance, not upon any kind of vision for cooperation and collaboration.

Many of them have an internal narrative of violence that gets expressed in these boards in various ways. Anyone who does not support unfettered access to weapons that were designed to quickly kill multiple humans is a snowflake. "LOL" and "LMFAO" do not actually indicate laughter in a right wing troll post- they indicate rage and contempt. These are not happy and fulfilled people. Many are probably very frustrated in their personal relationships. Many of them have probably not had a satisfying orgasm in years or decades, because they are basically miserable people with little remaining connection to intimacy and sensuality.

America has a long history of right wing violence, from the racist lynch mobs to imperialism in the Middle East and Latin America. The good old days of right wing power dominance are fading, and they are freaking out. Lacking the strength of a logical and practical political argument, they cling to the maximum firepower allowable by law. Devoid of empathy and intellectual integrity, they attempt to create "alternative facts" that are based upon an implied threat of violence rather than the best available evidence.

Not recognizing that every time they drive their vehicle on a highway or collect a government check they are partaking in a form of socialism, they fancy themselves as rugged individualists, and they vilify every social safety net program except those that benefit them directly. This is intellectual bankruptcy, backed up with their assault rifles.

 

[My I]

Why does anyone NEED an assault rifle?

Here is the real reason: the radical right wing knows that their wacky ideas will not be widely embraced domestically and internationally in the long run, and the only they can try to return America to their concept of the good old days is through the constant threat of violence if they don't get their way. The real reason these people want civilian access to assault weapons is that their political philosophies are based upon fear and ignorance, not upon any kind of vision for cooperation and collaboration.

Many of them have an internal narrative of violence that gets expressed in these boards in various ways. Anyone who does not support unfettered access to weapons that were designed to quickly kill multiple humans is a snowflake. "LOL" and "LMFAO" do not actually indicate laughter in a right wing troll post- they indicate rage and contempt. These are not happy and fulfilled people. Many are probably very frustrated in their personal relationships. Many of them have probably not had a satisfying orgasm in years or decades, because they are basically miserable people with little remaining connection to intimacy and sensuality.

America has a long history of right wing violence, from the racist lynch mobs to imperialism in the Middle East and Latin America. The good old days of right wing power dominance are fading, and they are freaking out. Lacking the strength of a logical and practical political argument, they cling to the maximum firepower allowable by law. Devoid of empathy and intellectual integrity, they attempt to create "alternative facts" that are based upon an implied threat of violence rather than the best available evidence.

Not recognizing that every time they drive their vehicle on a highway or collect a government check they are partaking in a form of socialism, they fancy themselves as rugged individualists, and they vilify every social safety net program except those that benefit them directly. This is intellectual bankruptcy, backed up with their assault rifles.

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