This Shit Has Got To Stop

kurrginatorX

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When I came to Literotica, it was to write the stories that just would not be acceptable in a mainstream venue. I suppose one might say I came here to write what I wanted, for myself, and if anyone happened to enjoy them along the way then that was just gravy on the taters, and as I finally hit 200 followers, I would like to thank all the people who have enjoyed what I have written and asked for more. The other side of that coin, however ...

I write on myriad topics, though I admit that incest / taboo is my favorite. Even still, I try to offer something for everyone, so whether, in taboo, it is grandmother / grandson, mother / son, mother / daughter, father / son, father / daughter, brother / sister, or sister / sister, or in other genres it is Gilfs, Milfs, Celebrities, Revenge, Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Bi, Voyeurism, BDSM, or any combination of the aforementioned that has as its protagonists peoples of varying cultures and ethnicities, someone will find something that clicks with him or her, enough to follow me, or enough to "Favorite" the story, or even enough to give the story a five-star rating. Still, though, there's that other side of the coin ...

The other side of the coin is this: Like any other author, there are parts of my personal life that do make it into my stories. For instance, while I have never committed incest, almost every sex scene I write comes from personal experience. While I am not a practitioner of BDSM, a former girlfriend related to me her experiences, which were the basis for the sex scene in "The Agony and the Ecstasy." One of my more recent stories, "Be Careful What You Wish For," was not derived from me mentally wearing down someone until she consented to have sex with me, but a real incident where a former GF and I stayed up all night having sex, and my penis was raw the next morning: The hospital scene was pure fiction as this was the 80s, way before any performance drugs were introduced to the public. So, for the sake of this paragraph, while the sex scenes I write may come from personal experience, they are placed in fictitious settings.

Why do I feel compelled to write this? Because I am amazed, even after all this time, at the number of people who not only take offense to a story or even just a small part of a story, but seem, by their comments, to believe the whole story to be a factual account of one liaison or another. These people who, with hate in their minds and contempt in their hearts, condemn not just me, but all writers whose stories do not resonate with them personally, as if the stories are written just for them and no one else. Don't get me wrong, I want people to make that connection, but not in a way that allows him or her to think that we, as writers, have wronged them, their personal sense of morality, etc., just because our stories did not go in the direction they thought would best suit them personally.

I am above the attacks. Really, I am. What I am not above, however, is the overall stupidity some of these self-proclaimed critics espouse. Some hide behind the veil of "Anonymous" while few use their third or fourth account screen name, and others still state that the only reason they will ever look at anything new posted is for the sole reason of giving it a "one" rating just so they can be the asshole they are apparently in life outside of Literotica.

We who write fiction are just that, writers of fiction. If a story does not sit well with you, that's fine. Should you attack the author because you didn't like it? Do you write letters to Stephen King, Toni Morrison, or James Patterson every time you read something of theirs you didn't like? Of course not. So why is this any different? Offering something like, "You fucked it up by bringing that third woman into it. 2 stars, and that's overly generous," does not offer constructive criticism, it just shows how shallow of an asshole you are. Did the third woman REALLY ruin it? Perhaps for your one voice that said yes, there are 10,000 more voices that thought it was hot.

I appreciate my followers, and I will continue to produce new, original content that will speak to everyone on some level. If you have not read anything of mine, I invite you now to do so: https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=3938682&page=submissions Just remember, one scene cannot spoil a whole story if the story is well-written. If you don't like a scene, just look past it and continue on with your reading, because I am sure that, as a whole, you will like what I, or any other author here, have to offer.
 
Did you have a point in there somewhere?

Was it that you don't like people not liking what you like?
 
Deepest Sympathy

As a fellow author, I can completely get where you're at. I got a hateful comment on my second chapter for this very reason you're arguing. They didn't like that my main character basically got sexually abused and not in the fun 'she liked it in the end' way that most non-con goes.
I knew going in that chapter 2 would be too specific tastes, more sadist than BDSM. I accept that while all my other chapters sit in hot, that one won't because it's a little twisted, more so than usual. I don't see why people have to comment but I think sometimes it's because you went against their expectation. My first chapter was more traditional noncon while 2 just went a bit nuts. I think it's because they weren't expecting to have to go there in my case. I've not had any attacks on me personally, maybe because my stuff is based in a slightly ultimate reality? Who knows, but some of my stuff is based on me some of it is just wild imagination. I suppose it just feels personal when someone doesn't like it.

It's our world, so we can rise above because we're the creators. It sucks but a sad inevitability of putting your stuff into a public forum.
 
I appreciate my followers, and I will continue to produce new, original content that will speak to everyone on some level. If you have not read anything of mine, I invite you now to do so: https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=3938682&page=submissions Just remember, one scene cannot spoil a whole story if the story is well-written. If you don't like a scene, just look past it and continue on with your reading, because I am sure that, as a whole, you will like what I, or any other author here, have to offer.

Did you post this for sympathy, or just to vent?

As far as the comments go, I looked at some and I didn't find them out of line. There are some from people who's perception of reality is a little blurry, but we probably all get those now and then.

You are the moderator of the comments made on your story. The site makes that your responsibility. A comment that contains a personal attack on you or anyone else should be removed. Comments that are confused or otherwise incorrect probably should be removed. It's all up to you.
 
If people comment (legit comments, not trolling), it means you as a writer pushed a button on someone else. They either felt good or they felt annoyed, but either way they channeled that energy into making their voice heard.

You did good. They paid attention. Full stop. Can't ask for anything else. Rejoice that you moved someone else's emotional needle into the 'take action' zone, because they could just as easily have been indifferent to your creation, and that's far worse. :)
 
Blame the site. Anon is the biggest issue here and they can easily eradicate it. a BS theory floating around is they would lose traffic. They won't. Anon would still come here to read they just couldn't vote or comment unless they created a name

Its a testament to how gutless anon is that even creating Joeylovesboobs and posting under it scares them.

They are the crowd Lit could do without.

But why would this site do anything to make it better for the authors and the readers that anon attacks in comments all the time.

Don't just blame the troll, blame the enabler.
 
Blame the site. Anon is the biggest issue here and they can easily eradicate it.

Most of the anonymous comments I've received have been positive. The comments I saw that were reported in the OP were generally not anonymous.
 
Did you post this for sympathy, or just to vent?

As far as the comments go, I looked at some and I didn't find them out of line. There are some from people who's perception of reality is a little blurry, but we probably all get those now and then.

You are the moderator of the comments made on your story. The site makes that your responsibility. A comment that contains a personal attack on you or anyone else should be removed. Comments that are confused or otherwise incorrect probably should be removed. It's all up to you.

This.

Nobody is forcing you to post here. You know what it’s like in some of these categories, so by choosing to continue posting there, the “other side of the coin” becomes your responsibility.

Not the greatest rant I’ve heard on here. Writers require thick skins; it’s been that way for centuries. If yours isn’t thick enough, either get it thicker or quit writing.
 
I don't mean to seem unsympathetic, because I've gotten nasty comments, too, but I don't get what the big problem is with anonymous comments. So you get some criticism and troll comments. We all get them. Just ignore them.

Anonymous comments account for well over half the comments I get. Most of them are positive. I don't see how it would make the site better to deprive authors of half their good feedback just to get rid of a smaller quantity of bad feedback. How does that make things better?

Lovecraft might be right that it wouldn't affect site traffic, although I'm inclined to think that any barriers to reading, voting, or commenting would have at least a small negative impact on the use of the site. But even if that's not true, I don't understand why one would want to prevent anonymous comments. I adamantly do not want that; I value the anonymous comments I get. If you don't like them, turn off comments.

Voting is another matter, because of the impact on story scores, but the site has a way to deal with that which, while not perfect, is better than shutting off anonymous voting. The majority of readers who remain anonymous do so for perfectly legitimate reasons that have nothing to do with trolling. The site should let them continue to do so.
 
Writers require thick skins; it’s been that way for centuries. If yours isn’t thick enough, either get it thicker or quit writing.

Agree. Critical commentary isn't unique to this site. When you put your work out in the world you must expect people to react to it. Some will react very negatively. That's true for great artists and authors, too. You can't demand that "this shit should stop" because it's not going to stop, ever. You can close your ears and eyes to it, but you can't make it go away.
 
Okay, so, to this point ...

jaFO, NotWise, RubenR, and Voboy,

You are indicative of the reason / meaning to this post. You automatically look for / impress a negative attitude toward something when there is no need to.

jaFO, what is the point in your response? If you got out of the entirety of my post that small snippet with which you chose to retort, then you missed the whole point of what I was saying.

NotWise, "I am above the attacks. Really, I am. What I am not above, however, is the overall stupidity some of these self-proclaimed critics espouse," should have answered your question before you even chose to post it.

RubenR, it was not meant as a plug, but now that you mention it, so what? Is there anything wrong with self-promotion? I see you did not admonish NotWise, Areala-Chan, SimonDoom, or even keep yourself from self-promoting. Also, I suppose you need to reread my post, for while I stated that my genre of choice was incest / taboo, I did list other genres in which I have written, so to answer your query, my comment was not about incest authors specifically, but writers in all genres generally. BTW, not all "stupid" comments come by way of Anonymous. Just sayin' ...

Voboy, You have a firm grasp on the obvious. Instead of trying to drive writers away, why don't you put that same energy into making them feel welcome and driving the hecklers away, unless you are one of the hecklers, which would make sense.

Bottom line to all of this is, I sincerely do appreciate all those who follow me and all those who read one, maybe two, and move on to someone else. I honestly do not care if someone hates what I write. It is easy to sit behind a computer and trash someone for the sake of ... what, exactly? Because you are a professional asshole? Because you are jealous of a writer's works? Because you know you can never write something as good as someone else has? We come here as a means of escapism, and nothing more. Just enjoy the ride, and if you don't, then keep on trekking until you find one you do enjoy.
 
NotWise, "I am above the attacks. Really, I am. What I am not above, however, is the overall stupidity some of these self-proclaimed critics espouse," should have answered your question before you even chose to post it.

Ah, so I guess it was just to vent. My bad then, for responding at all.
 
Like all of us, I get varied comments on the stories I publish. Some positive, some neutral, some negative.

I try to learn what I can from each and move on. There are only three types of comments that really bother me.

I've received maybe 8 comments from people who were frustrated by not understanding something that was fairly evident. As sad as it is, the average IQ is about 100 and lots of people fall below that. They express their frustrations in the comments and you just have to have sympathy.

In the notes following each of my stories, I recommend an author or story that I've enjoyed. I've had readers comment negatively about about the writer or their work and I delete those immediately.

The third group is something that I just ran into recently, and that's the reader with an agenda. For one reason or another, they choose to target your story and either leave comments that are barely intelligible or actively try to push your rating down. Or both.

In my case, it was both. It's silly and sad. Like the first group, I just try to be sympathetic. For someone to be that interested in what is effectively meaningless story on a free erotica sight is troubling. If it helps them work through some issues, cool. Go to town. Downvoting and commenting is certainly cheaper than professional therapy.
 
I do feel that is wrong for people to mark down just because they dislike the subject matter. If a story is badly written that's fair enough but I think that some people mark down for political reasons, especially FemDom because they find it undermines their own view of how power should be shared between the sexes. I don't read Sci fi, maybe that's because I can't do the suspension of disbelief that it requires, but I don't go around marking down Sci fi authors.
 
Voboy, You have a firm grasp on the obvious. Instead of trying to drive writers away, why don't you put that same energy into making them feel welcome and driving the hecklers away, unless you are one of the hecklers, which would make sense.

My favorite thing about the Internet? People who complain about stupid shit, then get butthurt when nobody else agrees with them.

I’ll redirect you to my comments about getting a thicker skin. You need to reread them carefully.
 
If people comment (legit comments, not trolling), it means you as a writer pushed a button on someone else. They either felt good or they felt annoyed, but either way they channeled that energy into making their voice heard.

You did good. They paid attention. Full stop. Can't ask for anything else. Rejoice that you moved someone else's emotional needle into the 'take action' zone, because they could just as easily have been indifferent to your creation, and that's far worse. :)
^^ This. ^^

Viewer response. That's praise for any writer.
 
Remember also, roughly one person in a hundred (a ratio that consistently comes up) actually votes, maybe one person in a thousand actually comments (more, if your story is very very good or very very bad). That's hardly a representative view of the world, nor of your story.

Maybe I'm lucky, can actually write, know my grammar, and have intelligent followers; but in my three or four years here I've deleted maybe a dozen comments across fifty something stories, dumb shit comments from dipshits whose mother obviously didn't love them, and who have problems with the world. They exist; so what, delete, move on.

If I look at it statistically, I'm getting maybe one dopey comment in every, I don't know, 30 - 40,000 Views. Hardly worth getting upset about, certainly not worth the oxygen the OP had spent on his equivalent stats.

But if writers keep on getting bile poured on them, as many seem to do - and sometimes come here and moan - then maybe, just maybe, the common denominator ain't the reader, it's the writer.

I look for patterns in human behaviour - people are oh so predictable en mass - if people repeatedly say your work is shit, well, maybe it just is.

Either that, or the OP could dial down the sensitivity filter a bit. That's an awful lot of oxygen wasted on what never mattered in the first place. "Delete" is your friend.
 
Remember also, roughly one person in a hundred (a ratio that consistently comes up) actually votes, maybe one person in a thousand actually comments (more, if your story is very very good or very very bad). That's hardly a representative view of the world, nor of your story.

Maybe I'm lucky, can actually write, know my grammar, and have intelligent followers; but in my three or four years here I've deleted maybe a dozen comments across fifty something stories, dumb shit comments from dipshits whose mother obviously didn't love them, and who have problems with the world. They exist; so what, delete, move on.

If I look at it statistically, I'm getting maybe one dopey comment in every, I don't know, 30 - 40,000 Views. Hardly worth getting upset about, certainly not worth the oxygen the OP had spent on his equivalent stats.

But if writers keep on getting bile poured on them, as many seem to do - and sometimes come here and moan - then maybe, just maybe, the common denominator ain't the reader, it's the writer.

I look for patterns in human behaviour - people are oh so predictable en mass - if people repeatedly say your work is shit, well, maybe it just is.

Either that, or the OP could dial down the sensitivity filter a bit. That's an awful lot of oxygen wasted on what never mattered in the first place. "Delete" is your friend.

Word.
 
Writers require thick skins; it’s been that way for centuries. If yours isn’t thick enough, either get it thicker or quit writing.

Yeah, that.

Or at least quit reading comments.
 
Part of this is the nature of the Internet in which just about everybody and anybody has a voice - probably a good thing on the whole even if it causes friction.

In the print-only days only a lucky few got to publish either fiction or non-fiction. Twice in my life I was able to get a letter into a major newspaper. Before that I was able to publish some articles in a college newspaper that allowed a lot of freedom - that was in the 1970s.

So now we all can publish just about anything we want on this site if the site owners approve it - and it's a pretty low bar compared to what it takes to get fiction into a book or magazine.

And we have a potential audience that is, maybe, the size of the population of Brooklyn, New York. I've lived in Brooklyn, and there are some pretty strange people there of course as there are everywhere. But I had no chance then of getting them to read any of my stuff.

[For the record: 59th Street in Sunset Park. The local gang called themselves The Dirty Ones.]
 
Nobody is forcing you to post here.

Now there’s a story idea. I think someone has already written a varation of it.

The hero is forced to publish stories to Literotica at regular, barely reasonable pace. If s/he fails to meet the deadline, or if any of the submitted stories do not earn scarlet Hotness badges with the allotted time the Terrible Thing happens. Plus, the extortionist reinacts one the sex scenes in the previously submitted story with the hero, or an innocent while the hero must watch.

Woking title: Red Letter Daze.
 
It's not the same plot of course but I see some parallels with Misery.

Terrible Things: the scene with the birthday cake (in the book but not the movie) made me cringe.
 
Thre’s an old saying that’s lost to the ages - you can please some of the people some of the time, most of the people most of the time, but not all the people all the time. The same holds true for fooling them.

Now, there’s no joy in writing if everyone “loves” what I write.

Hate moves every mountain that love doesn’t. I’m being facetious. Still, it’s a motivator for me to improve my writing because where they “hated” it, there are others who will “love” it.

So what if “they” didn’t like what I wrote. Not every story told is a fairytale with a “happy ending”. If I wrote that crap, I might as well leave the site and start writing children’s bedtime stories.

🌹Kant👠👠👠
 
Thre’s an old saying that’s lost to the ages - you can please some of the people some of the time, most of the people most of the time, but not all the people all the time. The same holds true for fooling them.

Now, there’s no joy in writing if everyone “loves” what I write.

Hate moves every mountain that love doesn’t. I’m being facetious. Still, it’s a motivator for me to improve my writing because where they “hated” it, there are others who will “love” it.

So what if “they” didn’t like what I wrote. Not every story told is a fairytale with a “happy ending”. If I wrote that crap, I might as well leave the site and start writing children’s bedtime stories.

🌹Kant👠👠👠

"Children's bedtime stories" makes me think of Samuel L. Jackson's reading of "Go The Fuck To Sleep." If anyone here has not heard that, you must. If you are a parent, and you have any kind of sense of humor, it's one of the best things ever. Google it and you'll find it.
 
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