Craigslist

[Naughtyboy31]

Can't believe they shut down the personals section because of a new law

 

[micky4play]

Fyi

Can't believe they shut down the personals section because of a new law

US Congress just passed HR 1865, "FOSTA", seeking to subject websites to criminal and civil liability when third parties (users) misuse online personals unlawfully.

Any tool or service can be misused. We can't take such risk without jeopardizing all our other services, so we are regretfully taking craigslist personals offline. Hopefully we can bring them back some day.

To the millions of spouses, partners, and couples who met through craigslist, we wish you every happiness!

 

[jabberwockyjon]

While I can't blame them for doing so, what a misguided law. It basically discourages online services from helping authorities because there's always the risk that they could be prosecuted as well.

The whole principle of it is jacked. Like suing a scalpel company because a surgeon used it inappropriately. Suing Chevrolet because a drunk driver killed someone with one of their cars.

Our society is continually skewing to hold fault with the wrong party and avoiding personal accountability for everything. Humans are fucked up. lol

 

[Wishingbox]

Yeah I almost started this thread yesterday when I discovered it. So sad. Hopefully something even better will take its place.

 

[yukonnights]

This should be a wake up call. This is what theocracies look like. In this case the root issue may be a valid concern, but instead of prosecuting the actual criminals, the law targets the platform provider? It's like holding a newspaper responsible for an ad for a misrepresented product.

But once the theocracy takes firmer control, the laws can be more obviously religious based...much like Shiria Law. There's been another new 'regulation' in the last few days which rescinds the rights of Trans people to serve in the military...this too is a move to appease a religious group. I wouldn't be surprised to see all LGBT people be treated the same in the coming months.

See it for what it is, not as a decision by CL. This law could even impact Literotica's personal ad section...and virtually all personal ad web sites. It's what happens as a society slowly allows it's freedoms to be eroded by well organized, well funded and dedicated zealots.

ETA: If they were really concerned about trafficking/prostitution, they would spend time and effort on the 'dark web' where the vast majority of these crimes are committed

 

[jabberwockyjon]

ETA: If they were really concerned about trafficking/prostitution, they would spend time and effort on the 'dark web' where the vast majority of these crimes are committed

But what you forget is that politicians like to make it SEEM like they care and are doing a good job, while really only serving their own interest.

I'm not mad at Craigslist, it really didn't seem like it was very good in my area anymore.


I don't know if I agree with the theocracy part though. There's always been a struggle with sexuality between conservatives and liberals-meanwhile in this country we are still remarkably uptight about sex.

Human trafficking and slavery is still, unfortunately, alive and well on this planet. Our species is doomed.

 

[markyhill]

That sucked... My wife and I used it to find a 2nd woman for a threesome.

 

[Bigspurt]

It's all about the concept of "Slaves" and Child abuse.

 

[Bigspurt]

Trafficking

 

[Bigspurt]

I am not an avid "hobbyist" but I have never encountered a minor enslaved into the sex trade.

But that's what this law is all about.

 

[Lost_Yonder]

What has happened is that the Puritan zealots have conflated prostitution with trafficking! Two radically different realities. Trafficking is about slave labor, not sex. By doing so though they are able to attempt to eradicate prostitution - as if that will ever happen!

The attack on platforms such as craigslist has nothing to do with trafficking but an attempt to limit prostitution. By taking it down, it means more girls will have to go out on the street where the dangers are in fact much greater.

That being said, cl has lots much of its appeal for me given how it has been overrun by bots and scammers. There was still some realm of opportunities of connecting with real people, but increasingly difficult. I met a girl once who had replied to an ad I posted - she said when she posted an ad she received over 500 replies! she had to take it down and delete them all.

Long live Literotica!

 

[LeatherPissPunk]

While I can't blame them for doing so, what a misguided law. It basically discourages online services from helping authorities because there's always the risk that they could be prosecuted as well.

The whole principle of it is jacked. Like suing a scalpel company because a surgeon used it inappropriately. Suing Chevrolet because a drunk driver killed someone with one of their cars.

Our society is continually skewing to hold fault with the wrong party and avoiding personal accountability for everything. Humans are fucked up. lol

I agree unless, in the Chevrolet case, it wasn't the driver's fault but some technical stuff that went wrong and caused the accident and would have done so even if the driver weren't drunk.

 

[Clem99]

Still works in Canada. Different laws, glad it’s still operational here.

 

[Naughtyboy31]

It's a bummer because it's what I use here. I've met a decent amount of people here. I've mainly used it to try and find couples but I've found a few other services. Luckily I have thier phone numbers.

 

[Bigspurt]

There is always TER

 

[Naughtyboy31]

There is always TER

And that is?

 

[Wishingbox]

I wonder what the new craigslist personals equivalent will be. The thing about CL is it was one of the first and so many people know about it vs smaller site fighting it out

 

[milehighcityman]

The new law is pretty narrowly tailored. Craigslist is just having a temper tantrum about it. It actually takes a lot of nerve on their part to claim they have been unfairly targeted. Their personal section had become a joke with something like 95% of ads and responses being fake and bots that blast people with spam and other scams. They knew it and did nothing about it. So its ok for them to expose customers to that, but not ok for them to have a little bit of potential liability for pretty egregious crimes?

 

[jabberwockyjon]

That's a good point. The reality was it most likely never would have targeted them.

 

[Naughtyboy31]

The new law is pretty narrowly tailored. Craigslist is just having a temper tantrum about it. It actually takes a lot of nerve on their part to claim they have been unfairly targeted. Their personal section had become a joke with something like 95% of ads and responses being fake and bots that blast people with spam and other scams. They knew it and did nothing about it. So its ok for them to expose customers to that, but not ok for them to have a little bit of potential liability for pretty egregious crimes?

That's why I along with other people ask to put such word in the subject line to weed out spam. I can tell which is fake and which isn't.

 

[milehighcityman]

What has happened is that the Puritan zealots have conflated prostitution with trafficking! Two radically different realities. Trafficking is about slave labor, not sex. By doing so though they are able to attempt to eradicate prostitution - as if that will ever happen!

The attack on platforms such as craigslist has nothing to do with trafficking but an attempt to limit prostitution. By taking it down, it means more girls will have to go out on the street where the dangers are in fact much greater.

That being said, cl has lots much of its appeal for me given how it has been overrun by bots and scammers. There was still some realm of opportunities of connecting with real people, but increasingly difficult. I met a girl once who had replied to an ad I posted - she said when she posted an ad she received over 500 replies! she had to take it down and delete them all.

Long live Literotica!

I don't think you can really blame "puritan zealots." This passed the Senate 97-2. What I find far more interesting is CL's response to this. It is very dishonest and misleading and says a lot about their company mindset. Not good.

 

[Naughtyboy31]

What's odd to me is you can log in and still renew a post in the personal section.

 

[Naughtyboy31]

How does Backpage continue to stay open then?

 

[Naughtyboy31]

I see they shut down Backpage today...

 

[bobb_sledd]

There is always TER

TER is now also locked out in the U.S.

It's sure getting difficult to find like minded adults.