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Through 8 years pf spying on every American they can blackmail anyone they want. When we get a second prosecutor Brennan's days as a free man are numbered.
Andrew McCabe has been fired...
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Through 8 years pf spying on every American they can blackmail anyone they want. When we get a second prosecutor Brennan's days as a free man are numbered.
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Trump should meet the same fate as Ramsey Bolton
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Two days.
you spelled M Flynn wrong
Depends on if he can pass a background check.
I've heard he has a nice letter of recommendation from Susan Rice.
He's already been offered at least one job.
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You're both missing the point, although RG is a lot closer to the target than Mr. Duncan.
It does not matter whether it is or is not an "egregious crime."
It does not matter whether the DOJ ultimately moves forward with a criminal prosecution -- whether an alleged "crime" in question is egregious or otherwise.
And it matters least of all to bring up "whataboutism" examples of past acts within the New York office of the FBI.
And the FBI's INTERNAL IG and OPR sure as hell do not operate on a partisan political basis at the political whim of either the Attorney General or the President which is exactly how the media is spinning this. OPR made a recommendation on the basis of long-standing values consistently applied within the FBI. And that recommendation was made in all likelihood BOTH with full knowledge AND irrespective of McCabe's retirement date.
Because that's how the FBI itself believes it should operate. Something Andrew McCabe apparently "forgot."
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That's the absolute truth, Democrat wishful thinking notwithstanding.
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1.The employee always has a chance to appeal the IG Report and Recommendation, so it's not the Be-All and End-All you are making it out to be.
2. The IG may or may not have been motivated by pressure to get this done before McCabe's retirement, but the speed with which Session acted (the same day he got the report) is absolutely unheard of and by all accounts suspicious.
3. McCabe disputes the report:
Sounds rational to me.
Without being able to read the IG Report, it's fair to withhold judgement before getting all the facts.
4. Speaking on behalf of Trump, his attorney John Dowd tweeted this very morning that the firing of McCabe was meant to "put an end to the Mueller probe."
Say what?
HIs very own attorney admitted this was a political decision with a political motivation that goes way beyond just firing McCabe for a "lack of candor."
So you can try and say that the "OPR made a recommendation on the basis of long-standing values consistently applied within the FBI," but in fact you do NOT know that. Trump himself (via his attorney) just cast doubt on that and put this decision within a possible obstruction of justice criminal action.
2. The IG may or may not have been motivated by pressure to get this done before McCabe's retirement, but the speed with which Session acted (the same day he got the report) is absolutely unheard of and by all accounts suspicious.
3. McCabe disputes the report:
Sounds rational to me.
Without being able to read the IG Report, it's fair to withhold judgement before getting all the facts.
4. Speaking on behalf of Trump, his attorney John Dowd tweeted this very morning that the firing of McCabe was meant to "put an end to the Mueller probe."
Say what?
HIs very own attorney admitted this was a political decision with a political motivation that goes way beyond just firing McCabe for a "lack of candor."
So you can try and say that the "OPR made a recommendation on the basis of long-standing values consistently applied within the FBI," but in fact you do NOT know that. Trump himself (via his attorney) just cast doubt on that and put this decision within a possible obstruction of justice criminal action.
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Regarding your points 1 & 3: If the rules of the OPR process allow for an appeal, then McCabe can dispute the report as part of that appeal. I never said it was a "be all, end all."
Regarding your points 2 & 4: Who do you think you're kidding? You "float" the theoretical possibility of the fiercely independent OPR being "pressured" for the mere purpose of entertaining the fantasy that it actually happened based on no evidence whatsoever. The very existence of the office is to discipline federal employees in the FBI INDEPENDENT of political pressure -- you know, just like the Special Prosecutor's office.
Then you spin around and attempt to link the motivation of the actual firing whether it be by Sessions alone or Trump through Sessions to the factual findings of the OPR so that the latter can be tainted by the former.
Get it through your head that they are two separate acts with different motivations. If the OPR made a recommendation to preserve the integrity of the FBI based solely on the facts of the matter, that motivation is NOT impugned by whatever perverse political glee Trump or Sessions may get from sticking it to a political adversary. The number of hard-ons that John Dowd and his client gets from enacting the recommendation of the OPR will never change the fact that the conduct of McCabe placed his OWN ass in the position to be enthusiastically kicked.
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regarding point 2, that was clearly about Sessions, not the FBI. As I said, they may not have been swayed by retirement one way or the other, but Sessions and Trump were.
Regarding point 4, WRONG.
The Tweet claims the purpose of the firing was not to discipline McCabe merely for lack of candor. It clearly states the purpose was to "bring an end to the Mueller investigation." That's not claiming victory after the fact.
“I pray that Acting Attorney General Rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and bring an end to alleged Russia Collusion investigation manufactured by McCabe’s boss James Comey based upon a fraudulent and corrupt Dossier,” Dowd said.
It's plain as day. He's stating the OPR recommended firing McCabe in order to "bring an end to the alleged Russia Collusion." Really? I thought they were above politics and not involved in politics at all? Why should anything they do be about "being brilliant and courageous" in "helping to "bring an end to the Russia investigation?"
You get it through your thick head that I am not the one doing the spinning: Dowd (and thus Trump) are. If I were Mueller, my ears would perk up, because now the OPE Report is tainted and could very well be considered as mired in Obstruction.
"If the OPR made a recommendation to preserve the integrity of the FBI based solely on the facts of the matter." The operative word here being "IF." Did they? Well I don't know. I never said there was no evidence whatsoever. I said I don't know the evidence. I don't know what went down. I would like to know what the fuck it has to do with the Russia Investigation, when it shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with it.
Regarding point 4, WRONG.
The Tweet claims the purpose of the firing was not to discipline McCabe merely for lack of candor. It clearly states the purpose was to "bring an end to the Mueller investigation." That's not claiming victory after the fact.
“I pray that Acting Attorney General Rosenstein will follow the brilliant and courageous example of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and bring an end to alleged Russia Collusion investigation manufactured by McCabe’s boss James Comey based upon a fraudulent and corrupt Dossier,” Dowd said.
It's plain as day. He's stating the OPR recommended firing McCabe in order to "bring an end to the alleged Russia Collusion." Really? I thought they were above politics and not involved in politics at all? Why should anything they do be about "being brilliant and courageous" in "helping to "bring an end to the Russia investigation?"
You get it through your thick head that I am not the one doing the spinning: Dowd (and thus Trump) are. If I were Mueller, my ears would perk up, because now the OPE Report is tainted and could very well be considered as mired in Obstruction.
"If the OPR made a recommendation to preserve the integrity of the FBI based solely on the facts of the matter." The operative word here being "IF." Did they? Well I don't know. I never said there was no evidence whatsoever. I said I don't know the evidence. I don't know what went down. I would like to know what the fuck it has to do with the Russia Investigation, when it shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with it.
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Hogan is right, you're wrong.
You should just take up masturbation to occupy your time. It will be better for everyone.
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Despite his obviously politically motivated firing, McCabe looks to be able to get his full retirement benefits. McCabe has been offered a job with Democratic congressman Mark Pocan to work on election security in his office.
“My offer of employment to Mr. McCabe is a legitimate offer to work on election security,” Pocan said in a statement. “Free and fair elections are the cornerstone of American democracy and both Republicans and Democrats should be concerned about election integrity."
Despite Pocan's common sense comment, one can be assured there will be those railing against free and and fair elections in this country so expect there to be a law forced through to prevent this act from happening in the future.
McCabe's team is confident that he had at least 20 years of law enforcement work under his belt — defined as carrying a weapon or supervising people who do — which made him eligible to retire on his 50th birthday on Sunday, with full retirement benefits.
With those 20 years, he would need to just go to work with the federal government for another day or so in any job he pleases, whether that's as a election security analyst for a Wisconsin congressman or a typist for a day, to get full benefits, said the former official who spoke to The Fix. The job doesn't matter so much as the fact that he's working within the federal government with the same retirement benefits until or after his 50th birthday. (Though this former official stressed that it would probably look more ethical if McCabe worked for at least a pay period rather than just one day.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/17/andrew-mccabe-was-just-offered-a-job-by-a-congressman-so-he-can-get-his-full-retirement-and-it-just-might-work/?utm_term=.49bae892caac
“My offer of employment to Mr. McCabe is a legitimate offer to work on election security,” Pocan said in a statement. “Free and fair elections are the cornerstone of American democracy and both Republicans and Democrats should be concerned about election integrity."
Despite Pocan's common sense comment, one can be assured there will be those railing against free and and fair elections in this country so expect there to be a law forced through to prevent this act from happening in the future.
McCabe's team is confident that he had at least 20 years of law enforcement work under his belt — defined as carrying a weapon or supervising people who do — which made him eligible to retire on his 50th birthday on Sunday, with full retirement benefits.
With those 20 years, he would need to just go to work with the federal government for another day or so in any job he pleases, whether that's as a election security analyst for a Wisconsin congressman or a typist for a day, to get full benefits, said the former official who spoke to The Fix. The job doesn't matter so much as the fact that he's working within the federal government with the same retirement benefits until or after his 50th birthday. (Though this former official stressed that it would probably look more ethical if McCabe worked for at least a pay period rather than just one day.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/17/andrew-mccabe-was-just-offered-a-job-by-a-congressman-so-he-can-get-his-full-retirement-and-it-just-might-work/?utm_term=.49bae892caac
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Lol.. that's it, it's over! Everybody go home, the drunken master has spoken!!!!
Any of you that really thinks there was no political backstabbing involved are either, naive, stupid and/or so blindly partisan that you cannot see it..
If sessions had been held to the same standard as mccabe, he should have been fired too. Didn't ya see his testimony?????????
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If you will slow down for just a minute, you will see that the chasm of our disagreement is not that wide. You and I are essentially on the same page that, despite my support for many of the President's policies, the man himself is a vindictive illiterate. And there is no doubt whatsoever that he relished firing McCabe, in hopes that it would facilitate bringing the Russian collusion probe to a conclusion -- a thought process that, as you correctly point out, is mind fuckingly illogical.
Okay? We're both standing on that street corner.
My complaint with you is that you actually entertain the idea that something like the FBI's inspector general or the Office of Professional Responsibility could actually be swayed by the nonsense that Trump tweets on an hourly basis. If they were, they would actually be guilty of the very thing Republicans have been accusing McCabe, Strozk, and others of.
Individuals in any organization can succumb to their personal bias. But the idea that the OPR as a functional entity is dominated by partisan Republicans susceptible to the rantings of a semi-accidental President and that it would formulate that bias in an official report for the political purpose of detrimentally effecting the life of a federal employee two days before being fully vested for retirement runs blatantly contrary to the history of that office, its legal responsibility and common sense.
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Poor Private RINO Butthurt will be among the very last standing defending the "integrity" of the deep state.
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And here's where we part.
Trump most certainly relished seeing McCabe fired. Trump didn't have a fucking thing to do with the firing. Period!!!!! McCabe and McCabe alone is responsible to getting his ass fired.
Further, I am praying that the IG report recommends prosecution and that Sessions has the balls to prosecute. I want McCabe singing like the proverbial fucking Canary.
And if convicted I want to see him, and anyone else that gets splattered buried under Leavenworth with the maximum sentence and NO time off for their "government service."
And I wish they could bring that worthless cunt Lois Lerner and her boss back in and bury them in the basement of Leavenworth as well.
Once either your justice system or your tax system becomes politicized you are on the path to tyranny. The progressives, and some conservatives, seem to think this is some kind of game and it's OK as long as their side scores. Me? I don't see having to choose between Hitler or Stalin being much of a choice at all.
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I think the whole thing was handled badly. Per usual in Washington. It was made worse by the overzealous microscope examination of anything/everything Trump.
IF McCabe's conduct was as bad as is being told, then the OPR and the IG should have recommended that he be indicted and prosecuted. At that point PROOF would be placed on the table and if found to be sufficient to find a guilty verdict, THEN and only then, should he be stripped of his retirement benefits.
Being fired 2 days before retirement sucks. He worked for 20 years with the idea that if he did his job he'd get the reward. Now that carrot has been snatched away at the last second based on a report recommending his termination. A report written during a very turbulent time in DC politically and which could be motivated by means that aren't based on the evidence.
That last is my problematic point about what happened. McCabe should have been allowed to retire. If the facts are sufficient, then he should be prosecuted. If found guilty THEN take away his bene's. Anything other than that process smacks of something illegitimate somewhere.
The Dem job offer is politics. Nothing more, nothing less. If McCabe takes it, he proves that he's a shill for the Dem's and that the IG/OPR report is sufficiently true enough to have warranted his immediate termination.
IF McCabe's conduct was as bad as is being told, then the OPR and the IG should have recommended that he be indicted and prosecuted. At that point PROOF would be placed on the table and if found to be sufficient to find a guilty verdict, THEN and only then, should he be stripped of his retirement benefits.
Being fired 2 days before retirement sucks. He worked for 20 years with the idea that if he did his job he'd get the reward. Now that carrot has been snatched away at the last second based on a report recommending his termination. A report written during a very turbulent time in DC politically and which could be motivated by means that aren't based on the evidence.
That last is my problematic point about what happened. McCabe should have been allowed to retire. If the facts are sufficient, then he should be prosecuted. If found guilty THEN take away his bene's. Anything other than that process smacks of something illegitimate somewhere.
The Dem job offer is politics. Nothing more, nothing less. If McCabe takes it, he proves that he's a shill for the Dem's and that the IG/OPR report is sufficiently true enough to have warranted his immediate termination.
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It's proof I'm waiting for. The report is an accusation recommending termination, not proof. It may be backed by evidence and the termination can follow the procedural rules of employment based on it, but it is not proof in itself.
Fairness in this situation requires something more than just the report recommendation.
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That doesn't prove anything. If you lost your job 2 days shy of a pension and someone offered you 2 days worth of work so you get it, you'd do it. Wouldn't make sense not to. All it proves is he wants his pension.
read it
OPR wouldnt say FIRE, just cause......THEY FELT LIKE IT
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eneral-on-firing-of-fbis-mccabe-idUSKCN1GT04O
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