The "What is an Assault Rifle?" thread

[HisArpy]

I'm not interested in engaging in an internet pissing match. You wanna vent your spleen to prove how much of a Big Man you are then knock your socks off. I said what I had to say and if that is unacceptable to you then so be it.

Anything else is a waste of time.

Then why are you still here. I'm postivie there are other forums and message boards where your searcher skillz are in demand.

Get to it boy! Them nefarious typos an' malodorous punckchewayshun mistakes is goin' undetected.

 

[Que]

"Today, a church where the remaining Branch Davidians worship is on the land. It was built on top of the foundation where the original building was burned, Dan Bell said. “It’s very strange that there are still Branch Davidians living here,” Bell shared while filming the land. “They still kind of worship David Koresh. It’s very … kind of unnerving when you’re there, to think these people cannot see how he was wrong.”

Heavy.com

How was he wrong? He preached that the end of the world was coming and that it would come at the hands of an unrighteous government. His world certainly ended. The government "accidentally" martyred him and brought his prophecies to fulfillment.

 

[Radiohead]

The online discussions would often be quite comical if there weren't victims involved.

I hate to admit: Watching all the posturing, or seeing some men react as if people were trying to rob them of their manhood
made me chuckle at times.

American discussions, I take it.

 

[Amoebah]

How was he wrong? He preached that the end of the world was coming and that it would come at the hands of an unrighteous government. His world certainly ended. The government "accidentally" martyred him and brought his prophecies to fulfillment.

I'm just a simple single celled organism.

You'd have to engage the film-maker named in the link in order to further plumb the depths of this debate within a debate.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Have you actually read the piece I was referring to? He doesn't refer to 'assault' anything. He just talks, in fairly vivid detail, about the substantial difference in the effects of this guy's gun and other gun injuries he's seen, and the somewhat significant consequences of that difference.

Yes, and in doing so he's hyping up the damage an AR15 causes, which is why the "assault weapons" ban people are so fucking in LOVE with this article and passing it around.

It's so much more damage than he usually sees because almost all gun violence in the USA is done with pistols.

If the school shooter had used a 30-06 semi-auto "hunting" rifle the damage and kill ratio would have been MUCH higher.

That's right....the firepower in most "hunting" rifle is WAY beyond what you'll ever get out of any rifles firing intermediate (small) cartridges, including the AR.

While I can't see the point of most guns held by civilians, he makes a pretty compelling argument for dealing with the ones that do this sort of shit specifically, simply on the basis of the near impossibility of giving the people who are shot any really useful medical treatment.

REALLY?

How so???

All he pointed out is that small rifles do more damage than pistols, that's not a good argument for anything unless you just hate guns and want them banned.

 

[Amoebah]

We should change the names of AR-15s to “Marco Rubio” because they are so easy to buy.

Sarah Chadwick

Those Generation Z kids have some snappy one-liners.

 

[richard_daily]

The doctor quoted in that article -- and anywhere gun grabbers want to make the point about how terrible the wounds were -- is comparing apples to oranges. ANY high-velocity rifle round will cause more damage than a handgun round (except for handguns that fire rifle caliber rounds.)

Pretty much any "gun nut" could have told him that the wounds would be worse than handgun wounds. They could also tell him that "full-power" rifle bullets would do a lot more damage.

That begs the question of why "gun grabbers" only want to ban the specific model of rifle used in this massacre. Also why they're not more outraged at the local LEOs and FBI for not following up on the "terroristic threats" and other warning flags the shooter practically waved in their faces.

Something needs to be done to reduce the number of school shootings in the US. I submit that following up on tips of "terrorist threats" -- like Las Vegas Metro has done twice in the last week and Texas LEOs have done three or four times that have made Google News -- is far more effective than trying to ban guns.

+1

I think that's kind of his point.

You know why he'd never seen those kinds of wounds before? Because rifles are almost never used in the commission of a crime, even though they are VERY common.

So, you'd like to ban something that's very common, but almost never used in a crime, and this article is somehow evidence for...

something?

 

[BobBalouski]

Maybe y'all need to...

What them'all need to do is just cut you the fuck off and quit even discussing such American-only related shit with you because you're nothing but a totally disingenuous socialist piece of foreign shit.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

This whole thread is case in point as to why it is spectacularly unhelpful to talk about banning guns.

Extreme vetting of the person seeking to get a gun is the answer. So start where the NRA is pointing - Supposedly only 38 state report felonies and they only report 80% of them to the background checking database. That results in SEVEN MILLION people able to buy a gun that should be prohibited. Lets add all of them so they cannot get a gun legally.

We saw the Airforce failed to notify on a dishonorable discharge that would have prevented the church shooter in TX from buying the weapon he used - let's fix that for all the armed forces.

Make sure that all the domestic assault cases are properly reported.

Tell Trump to restore the Obama rule on the mentally ill being added to the database that he recinded.

Add some teeth:

Put gun confiscation where the person is guilty of the domestic assault or adjudicated mentally incompetent into the gun control act of 1968 and expand the definition of domestic assault to kids and girlfriends/boyfriends if they are domiciled under the same roof.

 

[coachdb18]

This whole thread is case in point as to why it is spectacularly unhelpful to talk about banning guns.

Extreme vetting of the person seeking to get a gun is the answer. So start where the NRA is pointing - Supposedly only 38 state report felonies and they only report 80% of them to the background checking database. That results in SEVEN MILLION people able to buy a gun that should be prohibited. Lets add all of them so they cannot get a gun legally.

We saw the Airforce failed to notify on a dishonorable discharge that would have prevented the church shooter in TX from buying the weapon he used - let's fix that for all the armed forces.

Make sure that all the domestic assault cases are properly reported.

Tell Trump to restore the Obama rule on the mentally ill being added to the database that he recinded.

Add some teeth:

Put gun confiscation where the person is guilty of the domestic assault or adjudicated mentally incompetent into the gun control act of 1968 and expand the definition of domestic assault to kids and girlfriends/boyfriends if they are domiciled under the same roof.

Many people support the halting of gun purchase and ownership by the truly mentally ill. What cannot ever be supported is to expand the definition of mentally ill the way Obama tried to do it (you remember the attempt to classify all military members as 'mentally ill')? When liberals poison the well of things that common sense commands with the political 'get em all' diarrhea, it stops the process from working at all.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Many people support the halting of gun purchase and ownership by the truly mentally ill. What cannot ever be supported is to expand the definition of mentally ill the way Obama tried to do it (you remember the attempt to classify all military members as 'mentally ill')? When liberals poison the well of things that common sense commands with the political 'get em all' diarrhea, it stops the process from working at all.

Yeah - Obama tried to classify all military members as 'mentally ill'. More sex rings under the pizza parlor. Get fucking real.

 

[coachdb18]

Yeah - Obama tried to classify all military members as 'mentally ill'. More sex rings under the pizza parlor. Get fucking real.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-threatening-veterans-gun-rights/

In an apparent threat to Second Amendment rights, some American military veterans have received a letter from the Veterans Administration warning that their competency to handle their own affairs is under review, and if determined by government bureaucrats to be “incompetent,” they would be barred from possessing weapons.
The issue is being raised by the United States Justice Foundation, which defends civil and religious rights.

In a statement on the organization’s website, Executive Director Michael Connelly said his organization is pursuing a Freedom of Information Act demand to the Department of Veterans Affairs to “force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights.”
“Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors,” he wrote.
He said he’s been approached by a significant number of veterans who have received letters from the VA.
An image of a letter dated Dec. 20, 2012, has been posted online at Red Flag News.
The letter states that the Department of Veterans Affairs has “received” information about the veteran that “because of your disabilities you may need help in handling your Department of Affairs (VA) benefits.”
However, it provides no details other that the information was “a report from Portland VA Medical Center.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-threatening-veterans-gun-rights/#3i1ClIUKRGQlXJgu.99

There's more,

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-threatening-veterans-gun-rights/



Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-threatening-veterans-gun-rights/#3i1ClIUKRGQlXJgu.99

There's more,

MENSA member, huh?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-threatening-veterans-gun-rights/



Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-threatening-veterans-gun-rights/#3i1ClIUKRGQlXJgu.99

There's more,

Pretty far cry form "Obama tried to classify all military members as 'mentally ill'." Like a billion miles away.

But yeah - that is bullshit. I'd be pissed getting a letter like that. I am sure some of them are nuts, but there should be a process that includes the person's involvement with disclosure of the evidence and information leading to a conclusion of them being incompetent. Not some shit about "if you do not respond we find you incompetent"..

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Pretty far cry form "Obama tried to classify all military members as 'mentally ill'." Like a billion miles away.

But yeah - that is bullshit. I'd be pissed getting a letter like that. I am sure some of them are nuts, but there should be a process that includes the person's involvement with disclosure of the evidence and information leading to a conclusion of them being incompetent. Not some shit about "if you do not respond we find you incompetent"..

It wasn't just vets either. If I remember right (and I admit I could be wrong) I think it was everyone on SS. Something like that anyway.
Either way it was hardly "all military" and that article is from WND so yeah.

 

[toeskr]

"Today, a church where the remaining Branch Davidians worship is on the land. It was built on top of the foundation where the original building was burned, Dan Bell said. “It’s very strange that there are still Branch Davidians living here,” Bell shared while filming the land. “They still kind of worship David Koresh. It’s very … kind of unnerving when you’re there, to think these people cannot see how he was wrong.”

Heavy.com

Thanks dude!

Was just wondering.

 

[KimGordon67]

Yes, and in doing so he's hyping up the damage an AR15 causes, which is why the "assault weapons" ban people are so fucking in LOVE with this article and passing it around.

It's so much more damage than he usually sees because almost all gun violence in the USA is done with pistols.

If the school shooter had used a 30-06 semi-auto "hunting" rifle the damage and kill ratio would have been MUCH higher.

That's right....the firepower in most "hunting" rifle is WAY beyond what you'll ever get out of any rifles firing intermediate (small) cartridges, including the AR.




REALLY?

How so???

All he pointed out is that small rifles do more damage than pistols, that's not a good argument for anything unless you just hate guns and want them banned.

I kind of wonder if we read the same article ... or if you have a soul.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I kind of wonder if we read the same article ... or if you have a soul.

Yes we read the same article.

I don't believe in souls but if you mean a conscience the answer is yes.

I just happen to know better than that MD that AR-15's aren't some kinda special extra dangerous weapon that does unimaginable amounts of damage.

 

[KimGordon67]

+1




You know why he'd never seen those kinds of wounds before? Because rifles are almost never used in the commission of a crime, even though they are VERY common.

So, you'd like to ban something that's very common, but almost never used in a crime, and this article is somehow evidence for...

something?

As I've said repeatedly, I'm not really in favour of civilian ownership of any guns at all. My mention of that article was simply that it seemed to add weight to the argument for the banning of a certain type of gun.
I understand that America probably seems to have reached the point of no return with gun ownership, but I'm dubious that adding more, and lots of different sorts, of guns into the mix is the solution to that.
In spite of the fact that you proudly note the US is 92nd in the global homicide rates, you'd just be being a dick to not notice that countries 1-91 are pretty much all in South America or Africa or the Carribean (all countries you managed to describe as 'gun free', which is incredibly bemusing). Let's, instead, use OECD figures, where you come out fourth ... topped only by Mexico, Turkey, and Estonia. Hmmm.

I'd like to suggest that whatever the hell you lot are doing to address your homicide rates, it's not really working.

 

[toeskr]

As I've said repeatedly, I'm not really in favour of civilian ownership of any guns at all. My mention of that article was simply that it seemed to add weight to the argument for the banning of a certain type of gun.
I understand that America probably seems to have reached the point of no return with gun ownership, but I'm dubious that adding more, and lots of different sorts, of guns into the mix is the solution to that.
In spite of the fact that you proudly note the US is 92nd in the global homicide rates, you'd just be being a dick to not notice that countries 1-91 are pretty much all in South America or Africa or the Carribean (all countries you managed to describe as 'gun free', which is incredibly bemusing). Let's, instead, use OECD figures, where you come out fourth ... topped only by Mexico, Turkey, and Estonia. Hmmm.

I'd like to suggest that whatever the hell you lot are doing to address your homicide rates, it's not really working.

Why do you care? It's not your country. You are obsessing.

Go do a walk about. Talk to your doctor or your mom.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'd like to suggest that whatever the hell you lot are doing to address your homicide rates, it's not really working.

can't, if we were to actually do something it would be racist.

Why do you care? It's not your country. You are obsessing.

Go do a walk about. Talk to your doctor or your mom.

Leftist.....they are notorious control freaks.

 

[mark_j]

Yes we read the same article.

I don't believe in souls but if you mean a conscience the answer is yes.

I just happen to know better than that MD that AR-15's aren't some kinda special extra dangerous weapon that does unimaginable amounts of damage.

Haven't you been paying attention?

The 5.56/.223 can punch through 6" of reinforced concrete. 2 fenders and an engine block. Cadloy plate steel. Oh yeah, 2 cows & 3 pigs (reducing all of them to a bloody pulp) and still have enough left over to drop anyone dead on the spot.

Puff the magic round don't ya know...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Haven't you been paying attention?

The 5.56/.223 can punch through 6" of reinforced concrete. 2 fenders and an engine block. Cadloy plate steel. Oh yeah, 2 cows & 3 pigs (reducing all of them to a bloody pulp) and still have enough left over to drop anyone dead on the spot.

Puff the magic round don't ya know...

Shit I need to get some of that ammo.

I can't imagine what the .338 is capable of....
https://media.giphy.com/media/nv6HcRbIv6IZa/giphy.gif

 

[mark_j]

Shit I need to get some of that ammo.

I can't imagine what the .338 is capable of....
https://media.giphy.com/media/nv6HcRbIv6IZa/giphy.gif

LOL

Classic...

 

[KimGordon67]

Why do you care? It's not your country. You are obsessing.

Go do a walk about. Talk to your doctor or your mom.

I understand that a lot of people don't care about what happens in other countries, but some of us don't limit our concern for other human beings to those who have the same type of passport as us.

Also, I like a good argument. And I kind of find attitudes of people in America (or at least on here) kind of fascinating. And weird. (And sometimes I learn stuff.)