If you were going to add a story category...

[LoquiSordidaAdMe]

There's really no reason to even create the category for bisexual women. That's accepted in pretty much every category.

Bisexual women might like to be able to click on a category knowing they will be reading stories about women with their own sexual orientation, rather than filtering through the other categories...

I dunno. I have a Lesbian Sex story about two straight girls who fall in love and it got some hate in the comments section from some lesbian purists. One commenter was especially upset that the two girls had a conversation about blow jobs during the build up. They even managed to get the story moved from Lesbian Sex to Erotic Couplings without my knowledge (I got it moved back). So there's at least one category where bisexual women aren't always welcome.

 

[Areala-chan]

Categories I'd ditch?

Loving Wives. Forget adding a 'Cuck' category, just nuke the category from orbit and send JBJ the bill.

In all seriousness, I can't really think of a single category I'd like to see gone. I don't read most of them, but while my own personal tastes are a fine guide to my reading preferences, they're an utterly awful one to impose upon everyone else's.

 

[Areala-chan]

You mean it might be as accurate as all the lesbian fiction written by men?

I really don't think you need to stress about it. 'Hot as fuck' sounds good enough to me!

THIS. 100% this, right here.

 

[Areala-chan]

I dunno. I have a Lesbian Sex story about two straight girls who fall in love and it got some hate in the comments section from some lesbian purists. One commenter was especially upset that the two girls had a conversation about blow jobs during the build up. They even managed to get the story moved from Lesbian Sex to Erotic Couplings without my knowledge (I got it moved back). So there's at least one category where bisexual women aren't always welcome.

Ironically, Lesbian Sex is probably the one category where 'bisexual female' stuff would get dumped on harder than the participants in a German porn video. If people want to read a lesbian story, I assume the last thing they want is for the girls to start talking about dongs before they commence the action.

 

[SimonDoom]

Bi sexual is one that was long promised and never delivered (no surprise there)

Because of all the flaming and BS in loving wives I'd like to see cuck as a separate category which would leave LW as what it was before the over the top humiliating cuck stories took over. Just stories of wives having extra marital fun and the husbands being okay with it rather than self loathing or unwilling witnesses to it.

This won't solve the troll problem, because the trolls go after any story where wives cheat and get away with it, whether the attitude of the husband is that of a cuck or not. To deal with the problem (and I'm not sure it really would) you have to separate the category into

Hot wives that have sex outside of marriage and it's hunky dory, and

Hot wives that have sex outside of marriage and it's not

And I'm just not sure that will take care of the problem, plus it complicates and carves up the categories and will result in stories getting fewer views, and that's a negative that, in my opinion, far outweighs any benefit from seeing fewer troll comments. Troll comments can be deleted.

 

[RejectReality]

True. There are a contingent of readers in Lesbian Sex who want to ignore that males even exist, and they're quite loud about it.

The reason being that virtually every other category doesn't have a problem with it. There may be people who don't like it, but they're quickly drowned out. So, there's a fair number of readers in LS who think their category should remain pure and free of any heterosexual content whatsoever, because there are plenty of other perfectly viable category options.

Still, it's a single example.

In direct opposition, the GM category is highly tolerant of many things they may not find particularly erotic. Reason being that they know M/M content is attacked viciously anywhere else. Some subject matter may not be what they want to read, but they're willing to accept its inclusion in the category with minimal fuss.

Those who have been ostracized aren't nearly as quick to do so themselves.

I dunno. I have a Lesbian Sex story about two straight girls who fall in love and it got some hate in the comments section from some lesbian purists. One commenter was especially upset that the two girls had a conversation about blow jobs during the build up. They even managed to get the story moved from Lesbian Sex to Erotic Couplings without my knowledge (I got it moved back). So there's at least one category where bisexual women aren't always welcome.

 

[yukonnights]

I don't have much to add to the new category discussion....but, I'm impressed with the familiarity of the various categories some folks have and thought I'd ask a question: I'm writing something somewhat new to me. It's about a lesbian and a MTF transgender woman. The trans woman isn't quite finished with her transition...but will be by the end.

What's been mentioned about the LS category has me wondering if such a theme would be appropriate there? I could post in in Trans/CD's, but in my mind it really is about two females (one of which has a few more issues to overcome). Any thoughts?

PS:
My one idea about new categories might be; Create 32 sub categories of Loving Wives. The theory being, divide and conquer those trolls with overwhelming force..a shock and awe campaign of wives gone wild that even the trolls can't stop! I admit, it's a risk to society as we know it...but, desperate times call for desperate measures, etc, etc...

 

[ausfet]

I read somewhere on the forums that t&c and bdsm are 'overriding' categories and that any story involving someone trans/cd must be in t&c and ditto for bdsm. One of my t&c stories could have easily fit under romance, ditto my bi male bdsm story buuuut there are those who strive to uphold their straight, cis corners of the world and won't be shy about telling you 'wrong category'.

 

[Areala-chan]

I don't have much to add to the new category discussion....but, I'm impressed with the familiarity of the various categories some folks have and thought I'd ask a question: I'm writing something somewhat new to me. It's about a lesbian and a MTF transgender woman. The trans woman isn't quite finished with her transition...but will be by the end.

What's been mentioned about the LS category has me wondering if such a theme would be appropriate there? I could post in in Trans/CD's, but in my mind it really is about two females (one of which has a few more issues to overcome). Any thoughts?

My gut feeling is that if you submit it to Lesbian Sex, and Laurel doesn't switch the category prior to posting, it'll get ripped a new one. I don't know that for certain, of course, and I may be entirely wrong so don't base your decision on my opinion. Put yourself in the reader's shoes and see what happens. If they were looking for your specific story, and had only the category options to go on, where does it seem most likely they'd gravitate? The answer to that question should determine your category almost every time. If you're crossing a whole bunch of different genres (First time BDSM gay male incest with multiple reluctant partners, some of whom are androids, set in the grim darkness of the far future where all women dress like men and there's a serial killer running loose), use Novels and Novellas and be VERY explicit in your author's note and tags about what readers can expect.

One of the things to keep in mind is categories here are more for readers than they are for writers. An author may feel a story should be in one particular category for one reason or another, but if the readers don't agree, you'll take a hit. Lesbian Sex readers want stories about girls having sex with other girls, and are unlikely to appreciate a MTF transgender showing up in their space when there are categories like TS/CD and Fetish that could, in their opinions, better cater more to that taste.

 

[ausfet]

I dunno. I have a Lesbian Sex story about two straight girls who fall in love and it got some hate in the comments section from some lesbian purists. One commenter was especially upset that the two girls had a conversation about blow jobs during the build up. They even managed to get the story moved from Lesbian Sex to Erotic Couplings without my knowledge (I got it moved back). So there's at least one category where bisexual women aren't always welcome.

Woooah I just finished reading the story (loved it - I read the sailing story a month ago or so and followed you intending to read the rest and utterly forgot argh) and the comment and holy shit it was aggressive. I can't see the issue with the discussion of blow jobs. A lot of gay and lesbian folk have also had straight sex.

 

[swingerjoe]

“Revenge/Divorce/Marital Strife”

The problem with creating a “Cuck” category to alleviate the bickering in Loving Wives is that a story about a happy, healthy marriage that includes extramarital sex doesn’t belong in “Cuck”, and would still be one-bombed and flamed by the torch-wielding LW mob.

The only stories that mob seems to enjoy are the ones where a cheating wife gets her just comeuppance through divorce, revenge, assault, murder, public humiliation, etc. These stories are never erotic in nature, and yet the authors of those stories refuse to post them in Non-Erotic because LW stories get so much more attention.

If there were a category for “Consequence” stories, perhaps the fans of those stories would move along and leave LW for stories about “swinging, sharing, and extramarital fun.”

But then, folks have been begging the admins for this to happen for years, and it hasn’t happened, so why bother even fantasizing about it?

 

[TarnishedPenny]

One of the things to keep in mind is categories here are more for readers than they are for writers.

I think that's it right there. I have one story (pick a card, any card) which could fall under Toys and Masturbation, Group Sex, Exhibitionist and Voyeur, BDSM, Loving Wives or, possibly, Erotic Couplings. I'm not sure that I need more choices.

That said, based on my own tastes, you're not going to see me writing in some categories, so it really doesn't matter to me. Whatever works for the individual, I guess.

 

[LoquiSordidaAdMe]

Woooah I just finished reading the story (loved it - I read the sailing story a month ago or so and followed you intending to read the rest and utterly forgot argh) and the comment and holy shit it was aggressive. I can't see the issue with the discussion of blow jobs. A lot of gay and lesbian folk have also had straight sex.

Yeah the public comment was at least rational. I also received an anonymous private comment that was really off the deep end. I deleted it. In general though, the story was well received and supported. Thanks for the kind comment.

 

[SimonDoom]

One of the things to keep in mind is categories here are more for readers than they are for writers.

This is the crucial point. The fact that you get some hate comments and a couple of one bombs when you post your story in a category is not a reason to create more categories. There are other solutions available for that -- deleting comments, contacting Laurel to sweep the 1s, choosing the category in which to post with more care, etc.

Creating a new category only makes sense if it will help readers in some significant way. But the cost of creating more categories is that it makes finding stories more complicated and slices up the readership into smaller groups -- both bad things from the standpoint of readers and the site's ownership.

So if you want to justify creating a new category you have to do it from the standpoint of the site as a whole and not just as a way to avoid getting nasty comments and votes.

 

[UghOkay]

I think there should be two separate affairs sections. One for husbands and one for wives. Maybe add a Loving Couples section for people who monogamous sex.

I would be in favor of a Gay Male Group Sex section. Some GM readers can get a little irate when the main couple has a threesome. I've seen the comments on some stories.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What would it be?

A few seem to be catch-alls, meant for stories that don't fit in one specify category or belong in too many (quite a few of my stories)

Just curious.

My pet one is interracial. Everyone sees that as black and white. I'd like to see a seperate Asian interracial category. I know I know, too niche but you did ask.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

How about...

Shit Nobody Reads

 

[yukonnights]

A thank you for the suggestions regarding my category dilemma ~

I spent some time researching for similar stories last night and found only two that were similar based on tags 'lesbian' + 'transgender'. One was in LS and the other in Romance. I'm leaning toward Romance since this really is more of a story about love than sex. My fear is if it's in the Trans/CD niche it'll be lost in the more rowdy male audience. I'm thinking a clear forward that clearly states the theme will help Romance readers decide.

Oddly enough, the research I have done regarding this kind of situation indicates that approximately 25% to 33% of male-to-female transgender people are lesbian oriented. I'm pretty sure commercial porn has obscured that, and thus it isn't written about much here. Probably a crazy idea for me to take this on...but it seems that everyone should have a love story written for them But, I have to finish it first before the April Fools deadline...and see if it's even worth publishing.

 

[yukonnights]

How about...

Shit Nobody Reads

I think that's the one I'm looking for

 

[Areala-chan]

...you do realize this is a porn site, right? What the hell is this doing here?

The only appropriate response to this is, "Getting more views, votes, and comments than all of the stories you haven't written put together, sweetie."

 

[NotWise]

...you do realize this is a porn site, right? What the hell is this doing here?

I think people who get to a story from the New list of some other route other than the category hub may not pay attention to the category. I have had comments before that were inappropriate to the category.

 

[SolarRay]

The category issues I've dwelled on are:

- There are two "kinds" of categories. For example, my story might be stylistically "Romance" but set in the context of "Sci-Fi".

- The latter type of category feels more significantly broad ("Erotic Horror") but tends toward narrow reader expectations ("succubi"). If I post my non-succubus story there, it will not be read, or get a low rating.

- The fewer categories the better, to retain high exposure / readership, but this leads to the previous issue of belonging but not really belonging.

- Subcategories would have to be implemented in a way that don't cause readers to never see new submissions in parallel subcategories, but still steers them away from a story that they'll waste their time with beyond any doubt.

- As an alternative to subcategories, showing the tags for a story at the top of page 1 of a story might give a better sense of what a reader is about to read, in the same way indication of a subcategory might, but also could ruin any element of surprise or cause you to lose a reader who might otherwise unexpectedly enjoy the story.

Obviously I have no solutions here, only questions, but that's my food for thought.

 

[Gentleman_G]

My pet one is interracial. Everyone sees that as black and white. I'd like to see a seperate Asian interracial category. I know I know, too niche but you did ask.

I actually had trouble finding interracial stories with Asian characters when I looked for them. And when I found some, I decided that they were not interesting enough to read So yeah, I can imagine you wanting that to have a category. I think there should be an audience for it, although I have no clue how big that audience is.

As for the underage ... I did read a couple of really good stories where characters were underage, but it`ll probably become a dunghole for raping children and whatnot. Not really looking forward to that, to be honest. Still, there are good stories out there about kids that are encountering sex and relationships. I know I can`t link to it, but are there exceptions to mention the name of the person who wrote one such story? He started his own website to host that particular story since he can`t post it anywhere on sites due to the underage rule.

As for categories ... perhaps it`d be an interesting idea to actually make it possible to post it in multiple categories, with a tagline below to see in which categories it belongs according to the author. That would solve a lot of problems with determining in which category it belongs and people will be able to see what other aspects there are in the story aside for the main category, but it`d make the technical aspect a whole lot nastier probably.

 

[Requiax]

As for the underage ... I did read a couple of really good stories where characters were underage, but it`ll probably become a dunghole for raping children and whatnot. Not really looking forward to that, to be honest. Still, there are good stories out there about kids that are encountering sex and relationships.

I don't necessarily favour the idea of an "underage" category for just that reason - the term itself would just encourage the place to become a mire of paedo fantasies. But maybe a "Coming of Age" category would work in the way you describe. Less "sex+kids" and more "first love/exploration"?

 

[NotWise]

As for categories ... perhaps it`d be an interesting idea to actually make it possible to post it in multiple categories, with a tagline below to see in which categories it belongs according to the author. That would solve a lot of problems with determining in which category it belongs and people will be able to see what other aspects there are in the story aside for the main category, but it`d make the technical aspect a whole lot nastier probably.

This would be immediately abused by authors posting to larger, incorrect categories in order to get more views.