The "What is an Assault Rifle?" thread

[richard_daily]

The ammosexuals here seem to be hung up on this point. Semi-automatic weapons can fire at a very rapid rate of fire. They kill SMALL children just as quickly. Yet the gun dummies here continue to stick their fingers in their ears and desperately try to pivot the discussion onto tried and true safer ground such as flash suppressors, shoulder stocks and laser sites.

Dead children still remain dead children, whether it took 15 seconds to kill them all or 2 minutes to kill them all.

But those dead children ONLY matter to you if they were killed by a gun.

Why is that?

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

It isn't just that...it is they insist that the size of magazines don't matter...that they can pull off the same number of rounds using a smaller magazine. My post here...highlights several well trained individuals claiming that they can't come anywhere near what our professionals here can do. Whom to believe....

Compare any post I made to anything in that link.

 

[Dribble]

Cut and pasted directly from the article...Now...this is one person...only one...but with more training I bet than any here...talking shit.

"Finally, magazines hold 30 or fewer bullets and they take time to swap out. Having practiced it as part of my USAF M-16 qualifications, I know we were taking 5–10 seconds to remove the empty magazine, let it drop to the floor, grab the next one from our clothing, insert it, and release the bolt action to load the first bullet. Yes, I was rusty since I didn’t have to qualify that often for my job and the average is every 2–3 years for most people in the USAF. But, I think it’s close to actual situations as you have adrenaline working, you have to grab the magazines from different parts of a vest or other clothing, etc."

As for the speed loaders on revolvers...they talked about those too...about how much training it takes to become proficient...want me to cut and paste that too?

 

[Dribble]

I stand by what I have seen in the real world...and not what can be done by a select few.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Cut and pasted directly from the article...Now...this is one person...only one...but with more training I bet than any here...talking shit.

"Finally, magazines hold 30 or fewer bullets and they take time to swap out. Having practiced it as part of my USAF M-16 qualifications, I know we were taking 5–10 seconds to remove the empty magazine, let it drop to the floor, grab the next one from our clothing, insert it, and release the bolt action to load the first bullet. Yes, I was rusty since I didn’t have to qualify that often for my job and the average is every 2–3 years for most people in the USAF. But, I think it’s close to actual situations as you have adrenaline working, you have to grab the magazines from different parts of a vest or other clothing, etc."

As for the speed loaders on revolvers...they talked about those too...about how much training it takes to become proficient...want me to cut and paste that too?

The guy admits being rusty, that he didn't use a weapon for a his job and only had to qualify once every 2 years. What is he an expert in? And still, what does it have to do with anything?
Why not simply explain yourself instead of c&p'ing shit that doesn't make sense.

 

[Dribble]

The guy admits being rusty, that he didn't use a weapon for a his job and only had to qualify once every 2 years. What is he an expert in? And still, what does it have to do with anything?
Why not simply explain yourself instead of c&p'ing shit that doesn't make sense.

yet you are....

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

I stand by what I have seen in the real world...and not what can be done by a select few.

3 or 4 seconds to change a mag, 7 or 8 for a speedloader. For someone who practices now and then. It's not hard. Any idiot can do it. They're made so any idiot can do it. That's the whole point.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

yet you are....

Not c&p'ing comments from people who admit they aren't any good? You're right.

 

[Dribble]

Just pointing out the obvious Mr Feta. You talk shit. Don't get so wound up. Not a big deal. Some people need to talk shit to compensate.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Just pointing out the obvious Mr Feta. You talk shit. Don't get so wound up. Not a big deal. Some people need to talk shit to compensate.

Where do I talk shit. Show me one post where I have bragged about anything.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Just pointing out the obvious Mr Feta. You talk shit. Don't get so wound up. Not a big deal. Some people need to talk shit to compensate.

You're lying. It's that simple. Either show me where I've bragged or admit being a liar.

 

[Dribble]

Where do I talk shit. Show me one post where I have bragged about anything.

You criticize me saying I know nothing. Yet...here I am...supporting what I am saying...with links to other people saying their times are close to what I stated. Then there is you...and Botany...elite gun pros capable of doing things that require hours of practice to achieve. Yet...where does that time investment come from? You are here...

I will give you the last word. You know you can't leave it alone.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

You criticize me saying I know nothing. Yet...here I am...supporting what I am saying...with links to other people saying their times are close to what I stated. Then there is you...and Botany...elite gun pros capable of doing things that require hours of practice to achieve. Yet...where does that time investment come from? You are here...

I will give you the last word. You know you can't leave it alone.

You still can't show me where I've done that. Because I haven't. Others cite that world record shit. Not once have I.
You're lying.
I've also quite intentionally not told anyone here anything about me. Nothing. You and others have no idea what I have or have not done.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

You criticize me saying I know nothing. Yet...here I am...supporting what I am saying...with links to other people saying their times are close to what I stated. Then there is you...and Botany...elite gun pros capable of doing things that require hours of practice to achieve. Yet...where does that time investment come from? You are here...

I will give you the last word. You know you can't leave it alone.

Oh, wait I did once say I kept my guns locked up and sometimes misplace the keys.
I really need to lay off bragging about myself like that.

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Fuckin' lying sack of shit.

 

[mark_j]

I'm tired of all the gun control threads. But the epic fail by those who have no idea what an assault rifle is because they only go by the headers of the hog chow they're being fed by the gun control group is beyond ridiculous. So, I decided to go ahead and make a thread about what an "assault rifle" is. And what it isn't. In pichurs so everbuddy kin unnerstand.

{edit lots of pictures that prove nothing}

EPIC FAIL

Look, if you are going to present a treatise about what it is or isn't at least get the definitions correct from the beginning.

What IS an assault rifle?

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

• It must be capable of selective fire.
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56x45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

What is an assault weapon?

Drawing from federal and state law definitions, the term assault weapon refers primarily to semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns that are able to accept detachable magazines and possess one or more other features. Some jurisdictions define revolving cylinder shotguns as assault weapons. Legislative definitions do not include fully automatic weapons, which are regulated separately as Title II weapons under federal law. A key defining law was the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. At that time, the United States Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."

Common attributes used in legislative definitions of assault weapons include:

• Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine.
• Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock, which reduces the overall length of the firearm.
• A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
• Bayonet lug, which allows the mounting of a bayonet.
• Threaded barrel, which can accept devices such as a flash suppressor, Suppressor, compensator or muzzle brake.
• Grenade launcher.
• Barrel shroud, which prevents burning of shooter's arm or hand as a safety device.

Or in other words, an assault rifle is defined by its function. I.E. selective fire

An assault weapon is defined by how it looks and how it does not function. I.E. NOT selective fire (semi-auto only).

There are some other classifications as well, but those fall under Title II restriction and are generally not available to civilians without special permit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Cut and pasted directly from the article...Now...this is one person...only one...but with more training I bet than any here...talking shit.

"Finally, magazines hold 30 or fewer bullets and they take time to swap out. Having practiced it as part of my USAF M-16 qualifications, I know we were taking 5–10 seconds to remove the empty magazine, let it drop to the floor, grab the next one from our clothing, insert it, and release the bolt action to load the first bullet. Yes, I was rusty since I didn’t have to qualify that often for my job and the average is every 2–3 years for most people in the USAF. But, I think it’s close to actual situations as you have adrenaline working, you have to grab the magazines from different parts of a vest or other clothing, etc."

Yea..... a USAF POG that taught poor Hollywood form and does basic qualifications every 2-3 years.

That's your "expert" on small arms hua?

I suppose they couldn't find any people who are regularly training and actively participating in the application of small arms in a wide array of tactical situations to say what they wanted.

Imagine that.

I stand by what I have seen in the real world..

Which is clearly not shit....

 

[richard_daily]

Cut and pasted directly from the article...Now...this is one person...only one...but with more training I bet than any here...talking shit.

"Finally, magazines hold 30 or fewer bullets and they take time to swap out. Having practiced it as part of my USAF M-16 qualifications, I know we were taking 5–10 seconds to remove the empty magazine, let it drop to the floor, grab the next one from our clothing, insert it, and release the bolt action to load the first bullet. Yes, I was rusty since I didn’t have to qualify that often for my job and the average is every 2–3 years for most people in the USAF. But, I think it’s close to actual situations as you have adrenaline working, you have to grab the magazines from different parts of a vest or other clothing, etc."

As for the speed loaders on revolvers...they talked about those too...about how much training it takes to become proficient...want me to cut and paste that too?

Have you bothered searching youtube? I don't see anyone who practices that takes longer than about 2-3 seconds for a mag change.

 

[HisArpy]

*Buncha technical yapp yapp yapp*

I went back and edited the post to reflect the actual term used. However, that doesn't mean that the intent behind the post was incorrect or a failure. The post points out that the attempts to classify an AR based upon what accessories it has is STUPID. That I originally wrote "rifle" rather than "weapon" means little to that discussion.

The first post about this different topic talks about full auto, and then this post trying to prove a non existent point, is beyond the intent here. Which makes YOUR post...

 

[JCSTREET]

an assault rifle is a carbine. It has a shorter barrel than a regular infantry rifle - useful for working in confined spaces - such as smoking out IRA terrorists from poky little Belfast houses, or maybe inside mud brick bungalows in Fallujah

 

[HisArpy]

Have you bothered searching youtube? I don't see anyone who practices that takes longer than about 2-3 seconds for a mag change.

Boyz. BOYZ! Enough already. None of that has anything to do with classifying an AR as an "assault weapon" because of the color or whether it has a pistol grip or any of the other accessories you can get for it.

 

[JCSTREET]

that tree looks like a sow's ear, in case you were thinking of making a silk purse

Kilroy: now you're just being silly

 

[Chancellor_Palpatine]

Assault rifles versus assault weapons.

I went back and edited the post to reflect the actual term used.

Thx..

 

[HisArpy]

Do tell. I can't wait to hear this.

Then listen up cheese brains.

The ArmaLite AR-10 is a 7.62×51mm NATO battle rifle developed by Eugene Stoner in the late 1950s and manufactured by ArmaLite, then a division of the Fairchild Aircraft Corporation. When first introduced in 1956, the AR-10 used an innovative straight-line barrel/stock design with phenolic composite and forged alloy parts resulting in a small arm significantly easier to control in automatic fire and over 1 lb (0.45 kg) lighter than other infantry rifles of the day.[1] Over its production life, the original AR-10 was built in relatively small numbers, with fewer than 9,900 rifles assembled. However, the ArmaLite AR-10 would become the progenitor for a wide range of firearms.

In 1957, the basic AR-10 design was rescaled and substantially modified by ArmaLite to accommodate the .223 Remington cartridge, and given the designation ArmaLite AR-15.[2] ArmaLite licensed the AR-10 and AR-15 designs to Colt Firearms.[3] The AR-15 eventually became the M16 rifle.

AR-10 Wiki

The 7.62x54 NATO is just barely not the same as a .308. This is a LOT bigger and more powerful than the 5.56/.223 of the AR-15.

Some people have put the .50 BMG upper on an AR-15 but I wouldn't use anything except an AR-10 lower for that build. Not that I can lawfully own one here in California anyway because the .50 BMG is specifically BANNED by caliber. For some reason our well-loved legislators have this eerie feeling that if the people here have access to something that can shoot for over a mile and penetrate solid brick walls, they might...

No, never mind. Perish the thought. I DID say those legislators are well-loved, didn't I?

 

[phrodeau]

It is so funny when gun lovers say that these are merely accessories, and hardly worthy of attention. But threaten to take them away, and they suddenly become critical hardware that they can't do without.