High School Shooting In Florida

[Pookie]

. . .and yet most of the 350,000,000+ guns in the US have never harmed anyone due to malice or irresponsible actions of the owner.

Neither have most of the 263,000,000+ registered vehicles (plus the hundreds of millions of unregistered ones) in the US have never harmed anyone due to malice or irresponsible actions of the owner.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

That's right, driving can be licensed because it isn't a constitutional right. The licensing and regulation of the use of guns, turns a constitutional right into a privilege.

We know that licensing and regulation of vehicles has little effect on their negligent use so why should we believe a different effect on deaths that result from the criminal misuse of guns will have a different effect?

Oh, and we all know that if you had to have a high school diploma to post on Lit, you wouldn't be allowed your First Amendment rights to post here. That's the point.

are there government funded shooting ranges and hunting grounds in the us?

 

[coachdb18]

WHY is the left AVOIDING the fact that one of the victims in the Florida HS shooting was also in fact a Security Guard and legal conceal carry (Aaron Feis). Instead of being able to use his handgun to save lives, he was in the school disarmed by well meaning but deadly gun-haters, and was forced to rush the gunman and sacrifice his own life, unarmed, to satisfy their gun hate. His death, and the deaths of an untold number of those who became victims, are the direct result of having stripped him of his Constitutional right to defend himself, and those students he could have and likely would have saved. That's as much a tragedy as any suffered in this entire episode. Liberals should be held accountable for the unnecessary deaths they have caused, and for the shame of their stupidity.

 

[bellisarius]

are there government funded shooting ranges and hunting grounds in the us?

Show me in the constitution where driving is a right. If you can't do that you're just flapping your big fat lips.

 

[Pookie]

WHY is the left AVOIDING the fact that one of the victims in the Florida HS shooting was also in fact a Security Guard and legal conceal carry (Aaron Feis). Instead of being able to use his handgun to save lives, he was in the school disarmed by well meaning but deadly gun-haters, and was forced to rush the gunman and sacrifice his own life, unarmed, to satisfy their gun hate. His death, and the deaths of an untold number of those who became victims, are the direct result of having stripped him of his Constitutional right to defend himself, and those students he could have and likely would have saved. That's as much a tragedy as any suffered in this entire episode. Liberals should be held accountable for the unnecessary deaths they have caused, and for the shame of their stupidity.

No fact like that to avoid. There was an armed security guard at the school. He did not get the chance to engage the gunman. Feis wasn't the security guard. He was a coach.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

1. The first is taken out of context.

Yes, I do, personally hate guns. I want them all gone and the NRA disbanded. If anyone has a reason to blame this problem ALL on guns, I do. Yet as I said clearly, this movement will make a mistake focusing solely on guns. I said the media was 75% responsible for mass shootings. You ignored that and cherry picked a quote.

2. "Mental illness" is a bunch of bullshit IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SCHOOL SHOOTING DEBATE.

How do we know? Because the same people saying that's the problem just voted last year to make it easier to hand guns to people with a history of mental illness. I call BS. They have no intention of stopping "mentally ill" and "crazy" people from buying guns.

I quoted why you're a fringe lunatic.

The fact that you ignored that, and pretended I quoted something else you said just goes to strengthen my claim.

Here what you said:

 

[Wrong Element]

That's right, driving can be licensed because it isn't a constitutional right. The licensing and regulation of the use of guns, turns a constitutional right into a privilege.

Regulation is literally mentioned in the text of the Second Amendment.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not surprising you come up with the cut and paste hackneyed rebuttal. Which happens to be stupid.Guns are far easier to use responsibly. What difference does it make what the primary purpose of a product is If the product is misused far more often than the other product? the primary purpose of armed guards is not to protect you from panhandlers.

If you're gonna offer up trite NRA talking points (but...but..cars kill too! Hurr Durr!) you should expect the same rote takedown responses.

Have you referred your estranged son to the FBI yet? Or are you gonna wait until he shoots up a school and wring your limp wristed hands and wail "nobody could've known!"

 

[BoyNextDoor]

You're a broken record repeating the same discredited, unconstitutional, poorly thought out, bull shit over and over again.

Actually, I have changed my position considerably. I no longer think banning guns of some type or another makes sense. No assault weapons ban. No handgun ban. The public policy that makes sense and is achievable is keeping weapons out of the hands of people who are demonstrably and predictably incapable of using them for all lawful purposes.

I was watching LaPierre at CPAC saying the same thing. He literally said that the national instant background check system was conceived by the NRA, it was their bill and that "anyone adjudicated as mentally incompetent or dangerous to society should be added to the check system and prevented from getting their hands on a gun". He then showed a video where he said the NRA has been advocating for this for 20 years.

 

[coachdb18]

No fact like that to avoid. There was an armed security guard at the school. He did not get the chance to engage the gunman. Feis wasn't the security guard. He was a coach.

Hero Aaron Feis, the Disarmed School Guard
By Patrick Jakeway
February 19, 2018

Aaron Feis was the right man in the right place at the right time, but he was legally prevented from using the right, constitutionally protected tool to do the job. Mr. Feis was shot on Feb. 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, shielding students from a killer with his own body. Ultimately, he and 16 other people, mainly students, died. Mr. Feis was truly a remarkable and courageous man.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/art..._the_disarmed_school_guard.html#ixzz57rMtVkJg

 

[BotanyBoy]

Calling for a School Shooter Task Force, how LUNATIC of me. It's so unreasonable! What kind of radical nutjob idea is that? Who'd want to know why they're happening and what we can do about it?!!!!

You're a babbling old fraud, and I don't mind saying it.

Why do we need more task forces and money spending for nothing?

What is this 900 BAZILLION dollar task force going to tell us that we don't already know?

The primary purpose of cars are transportation, not killing people.

Transportation isn't a civil right, being able to strap up with all the pew pew your pockets can handle is.

Don't like it? Get the fuck out you un-American shit bird.

Just because they were getting care, doesn't mean it was adequate care.

But they had access and were being treated....which in all reality is the BEST we can do.

As far as we can see into the future of humanity there apparently will ALWAYS be those who don't get adequate care, despite seeking and having access to it. Fucking doctors ALMOST killed my mom a few months ago with a negligent mistake so blatant the 10 day stay in the ICU was on them.

Mental HC is no different, you know what happens when a mistaken diagnosis of bipolar disorder gets an MAOI antidepressant? There is a more than decent chance if you do you'll watch someone come unhinged and go totally fucking psycho, happened to one of my soldiers and the only reason he didn't go to prison after it was all said and done is because he had just been prescribed antidepressants like 2 weeks earlier and medical knew that could happen and covered for him.

How many other misdiagnoses result in inappropriate prescriptions that negatively fuck with peoples brains and send them off the deep end?

How do you make sure that NEVER happens?

I don't think you can and these mistakes are all part of our learning curve to discover better mental HC practices which will come with their own new challenges.

 

[Pookie]

Hero Aaron Feis, the Disarmed School Guard
By Patrick Jakeway
February 19, 2018



Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/art..._the_disarmed_school_guard.html#ixzz57rMtVkJg

American Thinker (giggles) makes a claim that their own link doesn't support:

The only person trained and armed to fight back against an assailant at Stoneman Douglas is its one school resource officer, a Broward Sheriff’s deputy funded by the city of Parkland. But Maxwell said she doesn’t think he was on campus when the shooting happened

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...l-florida-school-shooting-20180215-story.html

So, no. Feis wasn't a school guard that day. He was a coach.

 

[BobBalouski]

It all comes down to extreme vetting of the person seeking to exercise their well regulated constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

It is already the law to revoke the right of gun ownership under the 1968 Gun Control Act and subsequent amendments had which prohibits anyone convicted of a felony and anyone subject to a domestic violence protective order from possessing a firearm. The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.

Prudently extending this to the mentally ill, extending for other criminal behaviors (ie. not just domestic abuse of a spouse but also children or partner), fixing the process so the background checking is fully conducted for all firearms transaction and giving it teeth by also directing law enforcement to confiscate guns from those already in possession of firearms prior to the conviction of a felony, when they become subject to a domestic violence protective order or are deemed mentally ill.

I am watching Wayne LaPierre say something similar right now in front of the Alt-Right Action Conference.

And Nikolas Cruz was under full jurisdiction of the Florida Mental Health Act of 1971, aka the Baker Act, which, as wiki describes it:

...allows for involuntary examination (what some call emergency or involuntary commitment). It can be initiated by judges, law enforcement officials, physicians, or mental health professionals. There must be evidence that the person: possibly has a mental illness (as defined in the Baker Act).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Mental_Health_Act

Democrat Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel publicly admitted he's fully aware of the Baker Act and that it should've been applied to Cruz, which would've removed him from his weapons at least temporarily, but - FOR SOME REASON - he gets REALLY DEFENSIVE when someone asks him about the reported "39" instances leo came into contact with Cruz previous to his murderous rampage.

Why didn't this Democrat Sheriff not FULLY ENFORCE a current state statute which was legislated and enacted almost 50 years ago specifically to prevent individuals harming others and themselves?

What good can possibly come from enacting even more laws - NO MATTER HOW EFFECTIVE - if those who campaign to protect and serve us, and then swear under oath to protect and serve us...

...fail to enforce the laws meant to protect and serve us?

Sheriff Israel must resign NOW. Every member of his Dept. who could've even recommend application of the Baker Act but didn't, should be fired. This intolerable negligence is going to cost Broward County big-time - and that's good, because this example needs to be made to help make every other law enforcement agency in the country - fed, state, local - understand THEY MUST DO THEIR JOBS.

And, again, the very best thing the President can do right now is to go on national TV and COMMAND all law enforcement agencies to do just that, and to appeal to all State legislatures to review and tighten-up, if need be, all their mental health statutes - like the Baker Act - to make sure they allow for clearly mentally disturbed individuals like Nikolas Cruz to be separated from their weapons before they murder others.

What's the Sheriff intentionally being a DEMOCRAT got to do with this, you ask? Why am I, too, inserting politics into this terrible tragedy, you charge?

Because Scott Israel is a TOTAL POLITICAL TOOL whose documented personal political ambitions probably have a lot to do with why he's failed to do his job as Sheriff. Israel, once a Republican, intentionally - TOTALLY POLITICALLY - switched to being a Democrat simply so he could unseat the Republican incumbent Sheriff in 2012 (Broward County votes Democrat 2-1). And then partisan Democrat Israel won his 2016 POLITICAL reelection campaign 2-1 - great for him. Rah, rah...

Partisan politics has rotted America to its very core, with the repugnant partisanship at the federal government level most obvious. But that survivable corruption thrives at the state level just as deadly, while 17 innocent human lives murdered on Valentine's Day 2018 show us all now exactly how deadly just one politically partisan County Sheriff can be when he fails to simply do HIS JOB.

 

[BobBalouski]

Show me in the constitution where driving is a right. If you can't do that you're just flapping your big fat lips.

The Constitution must definitely doesn't empower the federal government to dictate whether driving is a right or not. What's your point? Certainly you are not even suggesting the Constitution dictates individual rights - are you?

 

[Aglaopheme]

American Thinker (giggles) makes a claim that their own link doesn't support:

The only person trained and armed to fight back against an assailant at Stoneman Douglas is its one school resource officer, a Broward Sheriff’s deputy funded by the city of Parkland. But Maxwell said she doesn’t think he was on campus when the shooting happened

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...l-florida-school-shooting-20180215-story.html

So, no. Feis wasn't a school guard that day. He was a coach.

Coach binky is having another bad day.

There

It would become perhaps the final act undertaken by the assistant coach and security guard

There

Aaron Feis had several titles at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School: Football coach. Security guard. Proud alumnus.

There’s one that doesn’t mention he was a security guard, not officer, but that is all about what football players did for him.

Dolphins donate to family of Florida football coach killed in school shooting

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Every good school has someone like Feis, who grew up in Parkland, graduated from Douglas and considered the school such an extended family he worked there as an assistant coach and security guard.

And there

"We had an athletic director, a campus monitor who responded immediately when there was signs of trouble in the school," Broward County Superintendent of Schools Robert W. Runcie said during a news conference Thursday. "Unfortunately those two heroes gave their lives for our kids and probably helped prevent this from being a worse tragedy than it is today."

 

[Que]

Neither have most of the 263,000,000+ registered vehicles (plus the hundreds of millions of unregistered ones) in the US have never harmed anyone due to malice or irresponsible actions of the owner.

The percentage of cars involved in either injuries deaths or potential injuries in death far exceeds that of firearms; it isn't even close. The average driver in my State has an accident every three years. All auto accidents are preventable.

 

[BobBalouski]

Regulation is literally mentioned in the text of the Second Amendment.

Alas, a socialist/progressive piece of politically partisan shit's statist fantasy of "Regulation" has absolutely no connection...

...to the "well regulated" ORGANIZATION/TRAINING/EXECUTION of America's very first militias purposely formed and armed by and of INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTEERS - ALL ON THEIR OWN - with the direct purpose of militarily defending their ideals of individual liberty AGAINST THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

The same folks who were dictatorially then - without any due process at all - tagged as traitors to their own government for forming those "well regulated militia" - were the very same folks who worded Amendment II to read as it does.

Piece of shit socialists/progressives' statist dictate of "Regulation"...

...or the actual, simple meaning those who fought for America's TOTAL POLITICAL INDEPENDENCE from such piece of shit statism, and then purposely constituted a new government COMMANDED by it's revolutionary political principle thus intentionally made clear in A2?

Fuck yourself, statist dorkwad - you're the traitor now.

 

[Que]

are there government funded shooting ranges and hunting grounds in the us?

Do you own any brown socks?

 

[Pookie]

The percentage of cars involved in either injuries deaths or potential injuries in death far exceeds that of firearms; it isn't even close. The average driver in my State has an accident every three years. All auto accidents are preventable.

Yes, the percentages are different. Injuries cost us all in some manner though. And supposedly every life is precious. Just ask Eyer! I tend to disagree with that concept, but thats probably just me. Oh, and all gun accidents are preventable too.

 

[Aglaopheme]

That was back in 2016. I wonder in how many states gun deaths surpass motor vehicle deaths now?

http://www.vpc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/graph-for-press-release-900x321.jpg

Motor vehicle deaths are on a steady decline nationwide, thanks to decades of applying proven public health-based injury prevention strategies to reduce death and injury. Meanwhile, gun deaths continue unabated. Guns remain the only consumer products not regulated for health and safety in the United States.

The VPC publishes an annual analysis of federal Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention data comparing gun deaths and motor vehicle deaths on a state-by-state basis. The most recent analysis shows that in 2014, gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 21 states and the District of Columbia.

Nine out of 10 American households have access to a motor vehicle while a little less than a third of American households contain a gun.

 

[BotanyBoy]

All auto accidents are preventable.

Yes, just make everyone get on government owned and approved public transportation.

Cars will be ONLY for government officials.



Look...no traffic!! That's "progress" comrade!!!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/15/11/3B66B66300000578-4036502-image-a-10_1481801193883.jpg

 

[WoundedKnee]

That was back in 2016. I wonder in how many states gun deaths surpass motor vehicle deaths now?

http://www.vpc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/graph-for-press-release-900x321.jpg

Another example of flawed statistics. Very few people commit suicide by car. And by flawed, I mean people who lump in suicides as an example of "gun deaths." It is a meaningless metric.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Another example of flawed statistics. Very few people commit suicide by car. And by flawed, I mean people who lump in suicides as an example of "gun deaths." It is a meaningless metric.

Dead people are dead people, and not meaningless.

 

[Pookie]

Dead people are dead people, and not meaningless.

Until someone has to clean the blood and gunk from a wood chipper, they won't understand the truth in your words.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Dead people are dead people, and not meaningless.

I agree with that 100%.
What I disagree with is lumping all dead people into a political argument in order to create a false impression of danger. Suicide, domestic violence and gang/drug violence have no bearing on the danger to the average citizen due to random mass shootings.