High School Shooting In Florida

[briie]

Florida Senator Marco Rubio says suspected school shooter should be executed

"State Attorney Michael Satz said in a statement that a case like Cruz’s “is the type of case the death penalty was designed for”.
“This was a highly calculated and premeditated murder of 17 people and the attempted murder of everyone in that school,” Mr Satz said."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ence-marjory-stonemason-douglas-a8218471.html

I was always against the death penalty.
But - Call me callous or barbaric, but I agree with the death penalty in the case of mass shootings.
Especially since: how do you stop in his tracks the next monster who is watching all these on TV and is already entertaining the idea?
Although it might do nothing in the case of those who plan murder-suicide.

 

[Sean]

You think Republicans couldn't be any more cuntish then:

Dinesh DeSouza: Hold my beer.

 

[BobBalouski]

Haven't watched/heard/read any other person (than me) address the issue more logically than this man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYBxRTE0p6U

 

[Hypoxia]

I was always against the death penalty.
But - Call me callous or barbaric, but I agree with the death penalty in the case of mass shootings.

After some-to-many years of legal arguments, the asshole might or might not be terminated. Normally I'd say, that's over too soon; just lock him in hard solitary, a 3-meter (10-foot) square concrete cell with zero human or outside contact ever.

But no, he carried a loaded weapon to school and used it. This can NOT be tolerated or excused. Torture and execution. Yes, torture for torture's sake. Let other would-be shooters know what to expect. Take a firearm to school and suffer the torments of the damned.

But then, will more suicidal masochists attack schools?

 

[toeskr]

See above, Dumb Shit Argument #1:

We all know that people commit murder, therefore murder should not be against the law.

In fact, as long as there's criminals, there shouldn't be any laws for them to break




Reach down, really wide, grab both butt cheeks and slowly pull them apart. Let it go and hope America really falls for your dream farts.

Are you and pox partaking of the same drugs?

 

[Dribble]

Why were you posting on Lit while some of the families were holding funerals? Have you no shame?

I am not President and in Florida. Why are you so fucking stupid?

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/gun-poll-quinnipiac/index.html

98% of Americans polled say they want ALL gun purchases to require a background check. Why won't the Republican held Congress do the will of their constituents?

 

[coachdb18]

....Although it might do nothing in the case of those who plan murder-suicide.

In this case, and cases like it, they’ll always have an uncontested first shot, but the second shot on scene should find its mark right between his beady little eyes. 16 people didn’t have to die!

 

[BobBalouski]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/gun-poll-quinnipiac/index.html

98% of Americans polled say they want ALL gun purchases to require a background check. Why won't the Republican held Congress do the will of their constituents?

Why don't you go find a democracy to whine in?

 

[Dribble]

Why don't you go find a democracy to whine in?

Did Putin pay you to say that? Just like how you repeat everything they post as fact?

 

[BobBalouski]

As if the commie could even possibly begin to afford to back the truths I post.

Does your mommy promise you additional teat squirts for all the 3rd grade stuff you post?

 

[BotanyBoy]

That BigMac junkie was probably not the Head of State and Head of Gov't of the United States of America, the public face and voice of our distressed and outraged nation. How did this POTUS react to national distress and outrage? HINT: Don't expect to be respected if you show no respect.

This POTUS disrespects Americans. Wonder why his approval is in the shitter?

Never had that problem with the last guy when he was out fucking off while som crisis thousands of miles away went down....I can't imagine why you were never even remotely as critical of him as Trump.

Hey Dumb Shit

Ever heard of DWI Laws?

Yea they work about as well as the murder and rape laws.

Who said anything about banning guns?

Plenty of (D)'s....just load up a search engine home page or news website.

Think of gun CONTROL and gun SAFETY laws as the equivalent of drinking and driving legislation.

Yea....we have them already and they don't work.

If you want to take a handgun and blow your brains out in the privacy of your own home, the state's not going to stop you. If you want to go and get an AR-15 and shoot up a school, that's a different story.

How do you know the difference between the two?

See above, Dumb Shit Argument #1:

We all know that people commit murder, therefore murder should not be against the law.

That's far more sane than the (D)umbshit argument that banning rifle accessories will solve a handgun violence problem.

98% of Americans polled say they want ALL gun purchases to require a background check. Why won't the Republican held Congress do the will of their constituents?

Because they don't give a shit.

Why won't Democrats do the will of their constituents?

 

[Hypoxia]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/gun-poll-quinnipiac/index.html

98% of Americans polled say they want ALL gun purchases to require a background check. Why won't the Republican held Congress do the will of their constituents?

Because Gup pols' constituents, those they answer to, aren't the voters in their districts, but the pols' remote owners.

Check the 'donations' each pol receives. Are they mostly funded by individual citizens, especially in their physical districts, or by big organizations, mostly based elsewhere? Follow the money. See who owns your lawmakers.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because Gup pols' constituents, those they answer to, aren't the voters in their districts, but the pols' remote owners.

Check the 'donations' each pol receives. Are they mostly funded by individual citizens, especially in their physical districts, or by big organizations, mostly based elsewhere? Follow the money. See who owns your lawmakers.

Never applies this logic to any Democrats.......

 

[briie]

I used to flip between liberal and conservative news channels when I got bored. Their political bias didn't bother me much, as long as they were entertaining.

But since the latest school shooting I just can't stand them any longer.
I see much less concern for the kids as an invested interest in sucking up to whomever is sponsoring them, or in taking shots at the opposing political party. Dems. and Reps. alike.

Now I vehemently disagree with the gun advocates who posted here and -sorry guys, but I view some of view as being gun nuts-
but I don't see caloussness in Your defense of guns, and I think that, despite your defense of guns, you too care for the kids. I think that you genuinely believe that guns will keep everybody safe.

 

[St_mAnn]

I am not President and in Florida. Why are you so fucking stupid?

We ask him that same question. Why is water wet? It just is.

 

[Chancellor_Palpatine]

I am not President and in Florida. Why are you so fucking stupid?

He's a troll; he can't help it.

 

[Que]

I used to flip between liberal and conservative news channels when I got bored. Their political bias didn't bother me much, as long as they were entertaining.

But since the latest school shooting I just can't stand them any longer.
I see much less concern for the kids as an invested interest in sucking up to whomever is sponsoring them, or in taking shots at the opposing political party. Dems. and Reps. alike.

Now I vehemently disagree with the gun advocates who posted here and -sorry guys, but I view some of view as being gun nuts-
but I don't see caloussness in Your defense of guns, and I think that, despite your defense of guns, you too care for the kids. I think that you genuinely believe that guns will keep everybody safe.

I would definitely classify myself as a gun nut and bear no malice to anyone who thinks that that is actually nuts.

It's perfectly reasonable for everyone on both sides of this issue to be grieving this is a national tragedy.

As soon as I heard the news I made every effort to avoid the news. My goal was to avoid seeing his face or hearing his name. He won't know that I don't know his face or his name but it would mean something to me. I failed anyway. I succeeded in staying completely away from any thread that addressed or talked about it for at least 24 hours simply because it pisses me the fuck off that people who want to use this tragedy to do something that is never going to be done anyway that is repeal the 2nd Amendment and use this moment to excoriate those of us who I believe are on the correct side of a very important issue. I wouldn't presume to try to convince you especially while this tragedy is fresh, but right or wrong my belief is that guns have done far more to maintain us as a more civil society than we would be without. and yes I'm well aware of the statistics that people are going to attempt to refute that.

I don't know your age but I grew up in a. When the left wanted the United States to unilaterally disarm from nuclear weapons leaving only our enemies with nuclear weapons which is madness. Instead Reagan did the exact opposite he wrapped it up and bankrupted the Soviet Union. It's all a little bit more complicated than that and a lot of it had to do with our meddling in Afghanistan and Charlie Wilson's War but the point remains I am unwilling to leave the vulnerable defenseless.

Generally speaking, I'm pretty anti-abortion but I try to use avoid using language such as murder and other inflammatory language that tends not to further anyone's understanding of the issue and just gets people's back up so when people do that shit to me about an issue that I know I'm in the right on, it's extremely difficult to be civil.

Personally, I make choices even when I'm in clearly dangerous areas about whether I do or don't need to be armed. Generally speaking if the situation suggests that I definitely should be armed the right choice is to make sure that I don't have to be there. I don't always have that luxury. And there are people who never have that luxury they live in crime torn areas and there's no reason that they should quake in fear. I think it's perfectly fine if a woman who is not comfortable handling a gun prefers to plan her day and her time around not being alone in dark parking lots. The ones that don't have that luxury I think can and often do ask for an escort or a friend to pick them up. They should have the option of getting training and arming themselves.

No teacher, that we trust with our children should be second-guessed on what tgey decide they need to defend themselves. It's silly that we as a society trust them with our children but not with a firearm. I don't see us requiring that they carry them I don't see us requiring that they get training I don't see us even encouraging or coursing them in that direction. But I think as an individual choice I think they should be allowed to make that choice like any other citizen they don't lose their right to keep and bear arms just because they walk into a public building unless you are willing to lock that building down with armed guards you have no business forbidding weapons. Same for parents picking up, dropping off or visiting.

 

[Que]

I am not President and in Florida. Why are you so fucking stupid?

So you owe nothing to the bereaved and can devote your time to excoriating anyone that disagrees with you with a clean conscience. Got it.

Must feel wonderful to hold the moral high ground.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Never had that problem with the last guy when he was out fucking off while som crisis thousands of miles away went down....I can't imagine why you were never even remotely as critical of him as Trump.



Yea they work about as well as the murder and rape laws.



Plenty of (D)'s....just load up a search engine home page or news website.



Yea....we have them already and they don't work.



How do you know the difference between the two?



That's far more sane than the (D)umbshit argument that banning rifle accessories will solve a handgun violence problem.



Because they don't give a shit.

Why won't Democrats do the will of their constituents?

You were already called out for this lie. Dude, just stop making stuff up.

 

[Hypoxia]

I used to flip between liberal and conservative news channels when I got bored. Their political bias didn't bother me much, as long as they were entertaining.

Don't view those or any channels. Kill your TV. In the commercial media world, you are a product. Your eyeballs (and personal data) are grabbed and sold to advertisers. Be more than that.

I think that you genuinely believe that guns will keep everybody safe.

And that is demonstrably false. Firearms worshipers believe crap. More firearms floating around ==> more firearms deaths, and that's a simple fact. Gunpowder addicts enable mass murder.

 

[Que]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/gun-poll-quinnipiac/index.html

98% of Americans polled say they want ALL gun purchases to require a background check. Why won't the Republican held Congress do the will of their constituents?

Why can't the FBI get the current background system to exclude those that quite obviously should be excluded? How are more of the same going to fix the current failures. If we acede to your demands and even throw some more money at doing a background check on law-abiding gun owners, you going to accept responsibility when yet another one falls through the cracks?

By all gun purchases, I assume you meant to say all lawful gun purchases, yes? I would be surprised if anything approaching 15% of all gun murders are done with a gun that was purchased legally. Unless you're talking about an impulse crime, or you plan on suicide or national infamy, most murderers generally know not to use the gun that you bought at the gun store using a background check or from someone that is going to remember selling it to you.

Since you seem to have some interest in how guns are purchased why do you suppose it is that the federal government almost never prosecutes strawmen buyers when caught? That seems a pretty glaring hole. By definition a straw man is able to pass a background check and the person they're passing the gun to cannot.

I might be willing to make other people engaged in private party gun sales drop by a dealer to make the exchange and get a background check assuming that you're willing to actually have the federal government prosecute each and every strawman that they find. Deal? I will, naturally not abide by any such restriction because I see no reason to trust the federal government with my information but if it will get actual illegal gun traffickers locked up I'm all for it.

Now most the time those of you that are on the anti-gun side are really concerned that are statistics looks so much worse than the rest of the world I can fix that right away are you interested?

I don't think it'll actually have that much of an impact on drug-related gang murders but they'll have to do it without guns. What I propose is that we just simply pick some choices ZIP codes in five major cities and we put concertino wire and clarmore mines around those zip codes. We declare martial law and we suspend the Fourth Amendment. We go house to house to house with the National Guard and we pick up every gun we find every household that has a gun in it we inprison them for long prison sentences.

If that succeeds in just five major American cities we will then be in the bottom tier of countries for so-called gun violence and we will be in the top tier for safest.

You know, I have a feeling that this time will be different at this time we will actually make a difference and your side will actually allow mental health records to go into the database and you will actually start prosecuting gun crimes and strawmen buyers and I think it's all going to be just lovely.

 

[Dribble]

Here you go...

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/19/566731477/chart-how-have-your-members-of-congress-voted-on-gun-bills

 

[Que]

Here you go...

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/19/566731477/chart-how-have-your-members-of-congress-voted-on-gun-bills

Nope. That's the wrong chart. What we're looking for here is, How many guns, used in murders, were purchased lawfully."

 

[briie]

I would definitely classify myself as a gun nut and bear no malice to anyone who thinks that that is actually nuts.

It's perfectly reasonable for everyone on both sides of this issue to be grieving this is a national tragedy.

As soon as I heard the news I made every effort to avoid the news. My goal was to avoid seeing his face or hearing his name. He won't know that I don't know his face or his name but it would mean something to me. I failed anyway. I succeeded in staying completely away from any thread that addressed or talked about it for at least 24 hours simply because it pisses me the fuck off that people who want to use this tragedy to do something that is never going to be done anyway that is repeal the 2nd Amendment and use this moment to excoriate those of us who I believe are on the correct side of a very important issue. I wouldn't presume to try to convince you especially while this tragedy is fresh, but right or wrong my belief is that guns have done far more to maintain us as a more civil society than we would be without. and yes I'm well aware of the statistics that people are going to attempt to refute that.

I don't know your age but I grew up in a. When the left wanted the United States to unilaterally disarm from nuclear weapons leaving only our enemies with nuclear weapons which is madness. Instead Reagan did the exact opposite he wrapped it up and bankrupted the Soviet Union. It's all a little bit more complicated than that and a lot of it had to do with our meddling in Afghanistan and Charlie Wilson's War but the point remains I am unwilling to leave the vulnerable defenseless.

Generally speaking, I'm pretty anti-abortion but I try to use avoid using language such as murder and other inflammatory language that tends not to further anyone's understanding of the issue and just gets people's back up so when people do that shit to me about an issue that I know I'm in the right on, it's extremely difficult to be civil.

Personally, I make choices even when I'm in clearly dangerous areas about whether I do or don't need to be armed. Generally speaking if the situation suggests that I definitely should be armed the right choice is to make sure that I don't have to be there. I don't always have that luxury. And there are people who never have that luxury they live in crime torn areas and there's no reason that they should quake in fear. I think it's perfectly fine if a woman who is not comfortable handling a gun prefers to plan her day and her time around not being alone in dark parking lots. The ones that don't have that luxury I think can and often do ask for an escort or a friend to pick them up. They should have the option of getting training and arming themselves.

No teacher, that we trust with our children should be second-guessed on what tgey decide they need to defend themselves. It's silly that we as a society trust them with our children but not with a firearm. I don't see us requiring that they carry them I don't see us requiring that they get training I don't see us even encouraging or coursing them in that direction. But I think as an individual choice I think they should be allowed to make that choice like any other citizen they don't lose their right to keep and bear arms just because they walk into a public building unless you are willing to lock that building down with armed guards you have no business forbidding weapons. Same for parents picking up, dropping off or visiting.

This is very interesting. I'll have to digest it over the next few hours.

And that is demonstrably false. Firearms worshipers believe crap. More firearms floating around ==> more firearms deaths, and that's a simple fact. Gunpowder addicts enable mass murder.

See, that's where I think that you all go wrong.
You both demonize the other party instead of trying to understand where they're coming from. No matter how outrageous their views might seem to you.

My approach isn't good either: I approach Politics for purely selfish reasons, to figure out some things from my life.
But youall Dems. and Reps. clearly care for the well-being of the citizens and the country, and are deeply worried about the future. So you have a common goal, it's just that you envision different paths of getting there.

I can see that it's hard to play cool when you care and are therefore emotionally involved. But I don't understand why you all buy into the splitting and hatred that politicians and massmedia are steering you towards, instead of engaging with each other at a lower laypeople sort of level.