How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

No xfrodo, Phrodeau's definition whilst not complete is much closer to the truth.

A cult is in fact defined as "A small quaisi - religious group, frequently with a charismatic leadership, whose rituals and beliefs are outside conventional belief and practice." There are cults and break away groups in all major religions, for examples : - Sufisim in Islam, Old believers in Russian Orthodoxy, Jainism in Hinduism and of course the most famous cult of all was the Nazarene sect in Judaism led by the charismatic Yeshua Ben Joseph.

When Christianity became mainstream it developed its own cults, a modern example being the fundamentalism of various charismatic Protestant fraudsters. Billy Graham is probably the best known of these, promising future glory to all who allow the leadership to fleece them financially.

This behavior is probably the second oldest profession. The very early church was financed by widows who were persuaded to will their cash to secure their place in heaven. Later the Catholics invented Simony and the sale of offices to advance the cashflow.The Muslims had Dhimmi poll taxes. Buddhists Beg. Protestants specialise in Tithing; every religious institution constantly reinvents ways of screwing money from its membership.

Billy Graham a cult leader? Now I have heard it all.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

No xfrodo, Phrodeau's definition whilst not complete is much closer to the truth.

A cult is in fact defined as "A small quaisi - religious group, frequently with a charismatic leadership, whose rituals and beliefs are outside conventional belief and practice." There are cults and break away groups in all major religions, for examples : - Sufisim in Islam, Old believers in Russian Orthodoxy, Jainism in Hinduism and of course the most famous cult of all was the Nazarene sect in Judaism led by the charismatic Yeshua Ben Joseph.

When Christianity became mainstream it developed its own cults, a modern example being the fundamentalism of various charismatic Protestant fraudsters. Billy Graham is probably the best known of these, promising future glory to all who allow the leadership to fleece them financially.

This behavior is probably the second oldest profession. The very early church was financed by widows who were persuaded to will their cash to secure their place in heaven. Later the Catholics invented Simony and the sale of offices to advance the cashflow.The Muslims had Dhimmi poll taxes. Buddhists Beg. Protestants specialise in Tithing; every religious institution constantly reinvents ways of screwing money from its membership.

According to Google Dictionary:

a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. "the cult of St. Olaf"
a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
"a network of Satan-worshiping cults"synonyms: sect, denomination, group, movement, church, persuasion, body, faction
"a religious cult"
a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
"a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"
synonyms: obsession with, fixation on, mania for, passion for, idolization of, devotion to, worship of, veneration of
"the cult of eternal youth in Hollywood"


Billy Graham is not a cult leader. He directs the attention to the God of the Bible and faith in Jesus Christ, not himself.

All non Christian religions are cults because they revolve around a person other than God.

 

[Que]

Nope. A cult is a religion that teaches salvation by any way other than through faith in Jesus Christ and His death, burial and resurrection. It's not by good deeds, church, baptism, ect.

"Cult" doesn't mean "not Christian."

I can definitely see you trying to start a cult with the rationalization you were called to the ministery as you would label it, but I can't see you actually attracting followers. You would be easy prey for any Christian cult leader. A little flattery, some stern warnings about the evils of outsiders and you'd be in like Flynn.

The only reason that I don't think that you're an active member of a organized cult at the moment is because I can't imagine they would approve of your internet ministry here.

 

[BobBalouski]

All non Christian religions are cults because they revolve around a person other than God.

And the Roman Catholic Church - the literal first universal "Christian" Church, which also begot state religion "Christianity" - proclaims ALL flavors of protestant "Christianity" cults, too, because they revolve other churches than it.

"Christianity's" original "Church" thinks you're a wannabe, too.

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[xfrodobagginsx]

"Cult" doesn't mean "not Christian."

I can definitely see you trying to start a cult with the rationalization you were called to the ministery as you would label it, but I can't see you actually attracting followers. You would be easy prey for any Christian cult leader. A little flattery, some stern warnings about the evils of outsiders and you'd be in like Flynn.

The only reason that I don't think that you're an active member of a organized cult at the moment is because I can't imagine they would approve of your internet ministry here.

The word "Cult" doesn't specifically mean "No Christian" however, all non Christian religions are cults by definition. They point the attention to a person. islam-mohammad, morman-joseph smith, buddhists-buddha, ect. ect. ect.

True Christians point people to God, not themselves or people.

 

[BobBalouski]

How does it feel that the original "Christian", universal church tags you a "defect" of "Christianity"?

Why are you a lost, hell-bound outsider, according to your own church/religion?

 

[Nicegirl111]

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES.

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

There are some things that you should know:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

It all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain, which this world sees, is the result of sin.

2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross:

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store; it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Lying, stealing, sex before marriage, pride, hatred, ect. Are all sins. Hell is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already sinned, which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the President can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die. You won’t have to pay for your own sins because Jesus already did that for you. But if you reject the pardon that He offers, you will have to pay for your own sins by going to hell.

3. If you will confess Jesus Christ is the Lord and in Faith, Believe in your heart that He died and rose again for your sins, you will be saved.

Eph 2:8,9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your Faith in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through trusting in what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you in faith.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? ARE YOU WILLING TO PLACE YOUR FAITH IN HIM FOR SALVATION?

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

4. If you want to accept Jesus free gift of salvation, or if you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, you could place your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation by praying this simple prayer, but it means nothing unless it's of faith to Jesus Christ:

"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe and confess that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I now place my Faith in You as my Lord. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If from your heart, you have prayed that prayer, truly placing your faith in Christ for salvation, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

That’s all tried to just be good to each other and help when we can

 

[BobBalouski]

That’s all tried to just be good to each other and help when we can

Do you hold it's your "right" to kill your own baby growing inside you, simply for your convenience?

 

[bnkd]

Bob....really? ???where did that come from?

 

[BobBalouski]

Bob....really? ???where did that come from?

Perfect question to ask any/every female who offers we all should "be good to each other and help when we can", don't you think?

Or, do you fantasize any female who posts that AND claims the "right" to kill her own baby growing inside her simply for her convenience can possibly mean a word she just posted?

Sits back to wait for: Yeah, but sometimes a mother is doing the best thing, the most loving act for her baby by intentionally killing her/him...

 

[phrodeau]

Perfect question to ask any/every female who offers we all should "be good to each other and help when we can", don't you think?

Or, do you fantasize any female who posts that AND claims the "right" to kill her own baby growing inside her simply for her convenience can possibly mean a word she just posted?

Sits back to wait for: Yeah, but sometimes a mother is doing the best thing, the most loving act for her baby by intentionally killing her/him...

We will all enjoy you sitting back and waiting for that.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

That’s all tried to just be good to each other and help when we can

No, being good won't get you to heaven because we are already sinners. That's not what God said. We have to do it HIS way, not ours. Please read that post again.

 

[phrodeau]

No, being good won't get you to heaven because we are already sinners. That's not what God said. We have to do it HIS way, not ours. Please read that post again.

If you’re born a sinner, it’s because God wants it that way. Who are you to oppose the will of God?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

If you’re born a sinner, it’s because God wants it that way. Who are you to oppose the will of God?

You obviously don't understand the origins of sin. Adam was created perfect before any of us were born. Adam sinned before any of us were born and when he did, he fell and became a different creature than he was created to be. He became weak. As a result, all of his dependents were procreated after that state, his fallen state. God didn't intend sin, but God did know it would happen and made provision for us through Jesus Christ.

 

[BobBalouski]

You obviously don't understand the origins of sin. Adam was created perfect before any of us were born. Adam sinned before any of us were born and when he did, he fell and became a different creature than he was created to be. He became weak.

Huh. So, if "Adam was created perfect", "sinned", and "fell", then it only makes sense that since God is perfect, too, he's also as susceptible to sin and falling as "perfect" Adam was. I mean, there's no wiggle room at all in a word like "perfect".

BTW: can you cite where in your bible it avers "Adam was created perfect", as you're now preaching as gospel?

 

[phrodeau]

Huh. So, if "Adam was created perfect", "sinned", and "fell", then it only makes sense that since God is perfect, too, he's also as susceptible to sin and falling as "perfect" Adam was. I mean, there's no wiggle room at all in a word like "perfect".

BTW: can you cite where in your bible it avers "Adam was created perfect", as you're now preaching as gospel?

Adam was only described as “good,” the same word describing everything else in Genesis 1.

Noah is described as “perfect” in Genesis 6, and Abram in Genesis 17.

 

[Tryharder62]

Adam was only described as “good,” the same word describing everything else in Genesis 1.

Noah is described as “perfect” in Genesis 6, and Abram in Genesis 17.

I think the verses like Genesis 1:27 That man and woman were created in God's image were better at describing the creation of Adam and Eve. He could have created them to blindly follow Him but He he gave them choice. They didn't choose so well.

 

[phrodeau]

I think the verses like Genesis 1:27 That man and woman were created in God's image were better at describing the creation of Adam and Eve. He could have created them to blindly follow Him but He he gave them choice. They didn't choose so well.

Adam heard God saying that the fruit would kill him. Eve heard a serpent saying that the fruit would not kill them. They ate the fruit and survived.

Add to this the claim that God created Snake News in the first place.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Adam heard God saying that the fruit would kill him. Eve heard a serpent saying that the fruit would not kill them. They ate the fruit and survived.

Add to this the claim that God created Snake News in the first place.

They ate the fruit and survived? You believe that Adam and Eve are alive and well today? They died spiritually right after they ate the fruit and began to die physically right after they ate the fruit. They would have never died physically if they wouldn't have eaten it. They would still be alive today.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I think the verses like Genesis 1:27 That man and woman were created in God's image were better at describing the creation of Adam and Eve. He could have created them to blindly follow Him but He he gave them choice. They didn't choose so well.

True.

 

[BobBalouski]

Adam was created perfect...

Still can't find such a claim in the Bibles I search. Would you please cite the bible you read that in, and exactly where in that bible it reads thusly? Thanks.

BTW: does your bible include this:

Do not add to His words
Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

Proverbs 30:5-6 (NASB)

What is it about the literal millions who claim to preach the Word of God, who are then proven liars, yet continue on just as they did before, as if their proven lying doesn't matter at all?

How can such an utterly lost one aid any other lost, except to help them stay just as lost as he is?

 

[phrodeau]

They ate the fruit and survived? You believe that Adam and Eve are alive and well today? They died spiritually right after they ate the fruit and began to die physically right after they ate the fruit. They would have never died physically if they wouldn't have eaten it. They would still be alive today.

Genesis 5 - Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

Not too shabby.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Still can't find such a claim in the Bibles I search. Would you please cite the bible you read that in, and exactly where in that bible it reads thusly? Thanks.

Everything was created good:

Ge 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Man was created in the image of God:

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Sin entered the world and death entered as a result:

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:


BTW: does your bible include this:

Include what? Adam and Eve?

My response is in bold above

 

[BobBalouski]

My response is in bold above

Nice, disingenuous deflection, JoelJr. Where's your "response" to you preaching what's not found in the Bible:

Adam was created perfect...

And, of course, your "response" to these words that are found in the Bible:

Do not add to His words
Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

Proverbs 30:5-6 (NASB)

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Nice, disingenuous deflection, JoelJr. Where's your "response" to you preaching what's not found in the Bible:



And, of course, your "response" to these words that are found in the Bible:

It's not a deflection. If God created everything "Good" then everything was perfect. Sin is what made everything bad.